Value of: Andreas Johnsson

[rt]

If Hjalmarsson is really going to wave his no trade clause then Johnsson's value is part of a package for this level of a player. Something with Johnsson and Andersen going to Arizona makes a ton of sense especially if Arizona is willing to retain.

I think Hjalmarsson might have better trade value than Johnsson around the league. Especially with retention. I could be wrong, but I think Arizona will get a surprising return if they’re willing to retain.

 

[Magic Man]

No chance I would do that as a Coyotes fan. No way.

The Demers+Fischer proposal from earlier in the thread, I’d do.

I don't think Fischer makes the Leafs. He can be bettered in FA if need be.

Demers is older and more expensive. I don't think that is a wise shift of assets for Toronto.

 

[TheDoldrums]

My money is on one of Ottawa's four 2nds.

That actually makes a lot of sense. Johnssons real salary is lower than his cap hit moving forward, Ottawa seems to like acquiring ex-Leafs lately and it's the type of solid buy low move the Sens should be exploring.

 

[Magic Man]

Miles wood.

The deal is one for one

Miles Wood (500K retention) + 2020 3rd rd. Pick for Andreas Johnsson I would do. The retention and pick make up for the difference in talent. The Leafs save on the cap, become grittier and gain draft capital.

 

[Forge]

Miles Wood (500K retention) + 2020 3rd rd. Pick for Andreas Johnsson I would do. The retention and pick make up for the difference in talent. The Leafs save on the cap, become grittier and gain draft capital.

Yeah, I'd just pass on that. I have no real interest in Johnsson right now, so one for one is pretty much the max for me.

 

[4thline]

No chance I would do that as a Coyotes fan. No way.

The Demers+Fischer proposal from earlier in the thread, I’d do.

Johnsson for Demers @ 3m + Fischer + Chaput

Cash wise only the Demers retention and Chaput drop is only a net cost of 300k to Arizona

 

[rt]

Johnsson for Demers @ 3m + Fischer + Chaput

Cash wise only the Demers retention and Chaput drop is only a net cost of 300k to Arizona

I’d do it but not sure ownership would be open to retention at this point.

 

[Boondock]

If Hjalmarsson is really going to wave his no trade clause then Johnsson's value is part of a package for this level of a player. Something with Johnsson and Andersen going to Arizona makes a ton of sense especially if Arizona is willing to retain.

Something like this deal makes a ton of sense for whom? Not Arizona - that only have $1.1 in cap space, really want Taylor Hall back and have 2 goalies signed through next season (goalies who played as well as Andersen this season - not over their careers, I will concede) making $4.25 and $4.5 and they are retaining on Hjalmarsson. After this trade the Dogs would have 3 goalies making a combined $13.75 plus they add $3.4 million in cap + whatever retention you indicated. So who does this make sense too again?

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

Something like this deal makes a ton of sense for whom? Not Arizona - that only have $1.1 in cap space, really want Taylor Hall back and have 2 goalies signed through next season (goalies who played as well as Andersen this season - not over their careers, I will concede) making $4.25 and $4.5 and they are retaining on Hjalmarsson. After this trade the Dogs would have 3 goalies making a combined $13.75 plus they add $3.4 million in cap + whatever retention you indicated. So who does this make sense too again?

If you are going to quote cap space then you also need to look at real dollars spent. Andersen is only owed 1 million in real dollars but with escrow is owe $0 dollars. Darcy Kuemper would be traded for futures. He is owed 3.5 million this year and 5.5 million next year. With an owner who is staring at empty Casinos and possibly no gate revenue next year a free player holds tremendous value.

Why is it on HF everyone thinks GM are only allowed to make one trade? Or every trade is in a vacuum? Arizona is looking to cut actual dollars spent, recoup some futures after the fine and trading their first 3 picks this year.

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

I think Hjalmarsson might have better trade value than Johnsson around the league. Especially with retention. I could be wrong, but I think Arizona will get a surprising return if they’re willing to retain.

I agree. Johnsson by himself does not get you Hjalmarsson

 

[New Liskeard]

Kapanen is a drastically better player than Johnsson and isnt coming off a massive injury. Just like how Marner’s contract had no effect on Rantanen's, Rutherford's stupidity should have no effect on Johnsson's value

If you think Kap is a drastically better player than Johnsson; you have not watched either player; and you are sadly misinformed. Kap may garner more in a trade; but he is not "drastically" better than Johnsson; not by a long shot.

 

[Boondock]

If you are going to quote cap space then you also need to look at real dollars spent. Andersen is only owed 1 million in real dollars but with escrow is owe $0 dollars. Darcy Kuemper would be traded for futures. He is owed 3.5 million this year and 5.5 million next year. With an owner who is staring at empty Casinos and possibly no gate revenue next year a free player holds tremendous value.

Why is it on HF everyone thinks GM are only allowed to make one trade? Or every trade is in a vacuum? Arizona is looking to cut actual dollars spent, recoup some futures after the fine and trading their first 3 picks this year.

If this Yotes owner cripples the team by making a trade for a 3rd goalie, hamstringing themselves because no one will offer full value to a team over the cap with 3 goalies, then retains money on the defender they are trading to Toronto, when they are already cash strapped just to save $2.5 this season and lose their top 4 shut down D, add cap and totally take their team out of the running for Hall, then the desert does not deserve hockey.
Secondly, if this is all about cash - the only way Andersen costs $1 million is if the SB is already paid, in which case the $2million on Hjalmarsson is already paid. Total cash going to Toronto $6 million ($4 Andersen SB and $2m owed to Hjalmarsson) total cash going to Arizona $6.6 + Hjalmarsson retention ($2 Hjalrmarsson SB, $3.6 owed to AJ, $1 to Andersen + whatever the retention is). Not making the trade costs the Yotes $7.5 actual dollars so if the retention on Hjalmarsson is over $900k, then this deal would cost the Yotes more in actual dollars.

Why is it on HF everyone thinks teams should bend over backwards to give their team what they want?

 

[Kelly]

Kapanen is a drastically better player than Johnsson and isnt coming off a massive injury. Just like how Marner’s contract had no effect on Rantanen's, Rutherford's stupidity should have no effect on Johnsson's value

Totally lost me when you said Kap is drastically better than Johnsson. Have you watched either player?

 

[McJedi]

Totally lost me when you said Kap is drastically better than Johnsson. Have you watched either player?

No one has watched Johnsson in a while. Unless that unimpressive game 5 cameo he played was the sample. If so, TML are trading on a low. Johnsson wasn’t impressive prior to his major injury while Kapenan was coming off an impressive season with some memorable PK work. We’re not comparing 2018 versions of these players. It’s sept 2020.

 

[Kelly]

No one has watched Johnsson in a while. Unless that unimpressive game 5 cameo he played was the sample. If so, TML are trading on a low. Johnsson wasn’t impressive prior to his major injury while Kapenan was coming off an impressive season with some memorable PK work. We’re not comparing 2018 versions of these players. It’s sept 2020.

Johnsson has higher gpg, apg, and ppg in their careers. You're right that the injury significantly effects his value. But to say Kapanen is drastically better than Johnsson just proves to me he hasn't watched either player much.

Johnsson is clearly the better offensive threat, Kapanen brings a PK element and the speed. Both are similar tier players.

Thankyou for telling me the date, you realize Johnsson played games this season and last as well right? Odd post.

 

[Leaf Fans]

No one has watched Johnsson in a while. Unless that unimpressive game 5 cameo he played was the sample. If so, TML are trading on a low. Johnsson wasn’t impressive prior to his major injury while Kapenan was coming off an impressive season with some memorable PK work. We’re not comparing 2018 versions of these players. It’s sept 2020.

He only played one of the five games.

 

[BlackFrancis]

Miles wood.

The deal is one for one

As a Bruins fan, I would absolutely not enjoy seeing Wood play for the Leafs. Thankfully, the Leafs aren't going to be in the business of $3M fourth liners.

 

[seanlinden]

No chance I would do that as a Coyotes fan. No way.

The Demers+Fischer proposal from earlier in the thread, I’d do.

I don't think the Leafs are at all interested in Jason Demers. They really need 1 defenceman, and he's not it.

I think from the Coyotes, it's Crouse or bust. I think the Leafs will look at him as a player who's not going to develop his offensive game in Arizona, but put him with the talent the Leafs have, and there's an opportunity to get a 20/20 guy out of him for the next couple of years at a great cap hit.

Coyotes get a guy with more long term security, and who's shown more offensive upside at this point in his career -- likely important to a team starving for offence. Taylor Hall isn't coming back.

That being said, if Crouse isn't an option, would Coyote fans do Fischer for Rodrigues or Gauthier?

 

[The90]

No one has watched Johnsson in a while. Unless that unimpressive game 5 cameo he played was the sample. If so, TML are trading on a low. Johnsson wasn’t impressive prior to his major injury while Kapenan was coming off an impressive season with some memorable PK work. We’re not comparing 2018 versions of these players. It’s sept 2020.

Lol. Kapanen was most certainly not coming off an ‘impressive’ season. Neither are impressive in their own right. Kapanen is grittier flashier with his speed and thus is noticed more but has no hockey iq. He’s a 10 breakaway 1 goal kinda guy. Johnsson is smaller / slower but better hands and iq.

neither were impressive last year. Neither are more than mid 6 forwards at this point. They’re a wash in terms of what they bring to a team.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I don't think the Leafs are at all interested in Jason Demers. They really need 1 defenceman, and he's not it.

I think from the Coyotes, it's Crouse or bust. I think the Leafs will look at him as a player who's not going to develop his offensive game in Arizona, but put him with the talent the Leafs have, and there's an opportunity to get a 20/20 guy out of him for the next couple of years at a great cap hit.

Coyotes get a guy with more long term security, and who's shown more offensive upside at this point in his career -- likely important to a team starving for offence. Taylor Hall isn't coming back.

That being said, if Crouse isn't an option, would Coyote fans do Fischer for Rodrigues or Gauthier?

They need a minimum of 2 D unless you are confident Marincin can be a #7 and if you are you are blatantly ignoring ALL evidence to the contrary

 

[Legion34]

No one has watched Johnsson in a while. Unless that unimpressive game 5 cameo he played was the sample. If so, TML are trading on a low. Johnsson wasn’t impressive prior to his major injury while Kapenan was coming off an impressive season with some memorable PK work. We’re not comparing 2018 versions of these players. It’s sept 2020.

huh? Kappy proved he was completely unable to play with top 6 players.

he was not impressive this year at all

He fought a couple of times that was the highlight.

 

[McJedi]

He only played one of the five games.

I know. Game 5. And he looked rusty and didn’t play that well. Weird move by TML and it didn’t work out.

 

[McJedi]

huh? Kappy proved he was completely unable to play with top 6 players.

he was not impressive this year at all

He fought a couple of times that was the highlight.

It was Johnsson that looked out of place to start this season. Didn’t play well prior to his injury. TML are getting a meager return if they are hell bent on trading him this offseason. You hate hearing it but it’s true. He’s not valuable until he proves healthy and improves his play.

 

[Legion34]

It was Johnsson that looked out of place to start this season. Didn’t play well prior to his injury. TML are getting a meager return if they are hell bent on trading him this offseason. You hate hearing it but it’s true. He’s not valuable until he proves healthy and improves his play.

sorry but. How do you know this? Do you watch a ton of leaf games?

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

If this Yotes owner cripples the team by making a trade for a 3rd goalie, hamstringing themselves because no one will offer full value to a team over the cap with 3 goalies, then retains money on the defender they are trading to Toronto, when they are already cash strapped just to save $2.5 this season and lose their top 4 shut down D, add cap and totally take their team out of the running for Hall, then the desert does not deserve hockey.
Secondly, if this is all about cash - the only way Andersen costs $1 million is if the SB is already paid, in which case the $2million on Hjalmarsson is already paid. Total cash going to Toronto $6 million ($4 Andersen SB and $2m owed to Hjalmarsson) total cash going to Arizona $6.6 + Hjalmarsson retention ($2 Hjalrmarsson SB, $3.6 owed to AJ, $1 to Andersen + whatever the retention is). Not making the trade costs the Yotes $7.5 actual dollars so if the retention on Hjalmarsson is over $900k, then this deal would cost the Yotes more in actual dollars.

Why is it on HF everyone thinks teams should bend over backwards to give their team what they want?

Signing bonuses have already been paid. So I stopped reading when you started talking about Arizona paying the SB.

Not sure why a Kuemper trade doesn't happen or is agreed to before a Hjalmarsson deal. But then you were worried about SB's being paid that already are paid. If both Anderson and Johnsson are moved in a package coming back would be more than just Hjalmarsson. Who knows maybe the deal would be Hjalmarsson or insert other Dman /Kuemper plus pieces for Andersen/Johnsson plus pieces. but the value and the needs fit both teams for more reasons than just on a hockey talent level.

P.S. Bobby Clarke is a Flyer. Why is it on HF when a neutral 3rd party fan makes a post they disagree with they suddenly become a fan of the team on the opposite end of the argument?