Value of: Andreas Johnsson

[Fatass]

Johnsson’s Value will be higher at the 2021 TDL. He will have had 30 or so games to prove he’s over his injury problem.

 

[Forge]

Miles wood.

The deal is one for one

 

[4thline]

Not sure how crazy Arizona is about retention right now, especially when from a cash perspective these two deals are equal right now. Both players are owed 3.6 next season and both have already been paid a 1 mil signing bonus.

Fischer is definitely doable though. So maybe the above two pieces plus Fischer, and then Toronto throws back a draft pick?

I can only speak from the outside, but I think a guy like Demers with a front loaded deal is a prime retention candidate in the Yotes cash situation as the cash cost isn't in line with the cap. A million retention (22% of original) would be huge for the leafs cap and something they'd probably be willing to pay for, but it would only cost the Yotes 22% of the 2.6 remaining (~578k), which the Leafs could also offset by taking and burying Chaput/Ness

 

[cwede]

at first blush "2nd and a 3rd, or a 2nd and a prospect"
seems generous for a middle-6 wing,
during this flat-cap era, 'supply' may be up,
and so such guys may be easily-replaceable at easy-to-swallow cost

BUT it only takes on buyer ...

 

[Mosby]

I can only speak from the outside, but I think a guy like Demers with a front loaded deal is a prime retention candidate in the Yotes cash situation as the cash cost isn't in line with the cap. A million retention (22% of original) would be huge for the leafs cap and something they'd probably be willing to pay for, but it would only cost the Yotes 22% of the 2.6 remaining (~578k), which the Leafs could also offset by taking and burying Chaput/Ness

Only 3 retention slots though. We're likely going to use 2 on Stepan and Hjalmarsson so not sure it's worth using one on Demers. If we want to get out from under Kessel's deal too for example that may require retention.

 

[McJedi]

Johnsson’s Value will be higher at the 2021 TDL. He will have had 30 or so games to prove he’s over his injury problem.

This is a good take.

Johnsson has very little value this offseason. His major injury and poor play do nothing for his trade value. But should he play better this upcoming season and remain healthy, he’ll fetch what you TML fans expect. A 2nd plus something less. Today. Not a chance he gets this.

 

[McJedi]

at first blush "2nd and a 3rd, or a 2nd and a prospect"
seems generous for a middle-6 wing,
during this flat-cap era, 'supply' may be up,
and so such guys may be easily-replaceable at easy-to-swallow cost

BUT it only takes on buyer ...

A lot more sellers than buyers this offseason. A lot more sellers.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I 100% understand that concerns over his injury may scare some teams off and/or lower his value, but how many other guys his age, with his ability and his salary/term are on the market this year? I bet there are some, I just don't know each team well enough to know which teams are trying to move which guys that would be a comparable to him.

 

[mydnyte]

Johnsson is a better overall player than Kap is.
Kap is like a Grabner clone. lightning north/south with a very good shot (when it hits the net) and good on the PK. ...a nightmare on the PP though, and has zero vision.
Johnsson's injury has healed, and he played and looked good in his only game back.
very small sample size, but, he didnt miss a beat.
he does take too many over aggressive penalties for a player his size, and he can be pest like.
his contract is decent for his numbers.
it will be interesting to see what he gets if/when dealt as he is very undervalued (on here and by many Leafs fans as well)
if i was offered either player at the same cost, i'd take Johnsson every time. ...and i liked what Kap brought, but, he needs to be used properly.
Johnsson is ideally a 2nd line winger (offensive), and Kap ideally a 3rd line winger(defensive)

 

[DANTHEMAN1967]

Low second potentially. If not a third and a late pick. All depends on how the acquiring team feels about his knee.

This is probably why he played in game five against Columbus, to show he has recovered.

 

[Ziggdiezan]

I 100% understand that concerns over his injury may scare some teams off and/or lower his value, but how many other guys his age, with his ability and his salary/term are on the market this year? I bet there are some, I just don't know each team well enough to know which teams are trying to move which guys that would be a comparable to him.

Majority of people commenting on him havent watched him play much it seems from this thread..

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Soderberg being dealt for a fringe NHL'er but mostly AHL'er and a 3rd round pick. It does happen still depending on the circumstances.

That's actually pretty close in fact he's been involved in a couple of strange deals

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

This.

Some serious underrating of Johnsson in this thread. Teams aren't going to be worried about whether a 25 year old player (with not a lot of "miles" on him) is going to recover from a busted knee. Sure he looked rusty in game 5, who wouldn't after being off 5 months? He's got at least another 3 to continue rehabbing it. The only real question in Johnsson's game -- how much of his 20 goals were driven by Auston Matthews

Will he get a 1st? no he will not. He's not enough of a "potential boom player" to justify that like Kapanen is/was. He is however, more universally appealing.

Kap is one of the fastest straight line skaters in the league, and can be very dangerous on the PK. He's got a pretty good shot, but isn't that great in the corners. Johnsson is more of a "jack of all trades" kind of player, and while I think the Pens look at Kap as an ideal fit for a guy like Malkin, Johnsson is more of a guy that any team can put on either their 2nd or 3rd line, and get some solid 2-way play out of.

Personally, I don't think he'll even return draft picks. The Leafs don't need to dump him in order to sign a UFA defenceman (unless it's Pietrangelo)... he'll likely be used for bait in a player(s)-for-player(s) swap to either get somebody with more sandpaper, or a top 4 defenceman.

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Too realistic and too much common sense. Needs more controversial takes or whining. Try to spruce it up and add some outlandish comparisons between players that aren't even close to describing Johannson. In this particular case, bring up an offensive-minded defenseman as a return. Both Toronto and opponents fans can feast on that and you'll help this thread be on the way to legendary status.

Just trying to help with click-bait, I want you to see revenue. All the kids are doing it.

If you want to continue making valid points and being fair, continue posting reasonable takes.

 

[Papi 4 Hart]

Miles wood.

The deal is one for one

I'd do this all day for the leafs.

 

[seanlinden]

No replies to this? Let me help.

Too realistic and too much common sense. Needs more controversial takes or whining. Try to spruce it up and add some outlandish comparisons between players that aren't even close to describing Johannson. In this particular case, bring up an offensive-minded defenseman as a return. Both Toronto and opponents fans can feast on that and you'll help this thread be on the way to legendary status.

Just trying to help with click-bait, I want you to see revenue. All the kids are doing it.

If you want to continue making valid points and being fair, continue posting reasonable takes.

McDavid for AJ???

But seriously... even if the Leafs did need to trade him for pure cap space, realistically, they're probably looking at either a 2nd round pick this year, and 4th or 5th either this year or next; or maybe something like a 3rd this year, and 2nd next year.

 

[A1LeafNation]

If we don't get a 2nd and something, I dont think we move him this off-season, which is fine, we don't need to sell all our production this offseason.

Andersen and Kapanen gone might be enough of the change needed.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

If we don't get a 2nd and something, I dont think we move him this off-season, which is fine, we don't need to sell all our production this offseason.

Andersen and Kapanen gone might be enough of the change needed.

We have to almost completely rebuild the bottom 6

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

McDavid for AJ???

But seriously... even if the Leafs did need to trade him for pure cap space, realistically, they're probably looking at either a 2nd round pick this year, and 4th or 5th either this year or next; or maybe something like a 3rd this year, and 2nd next year.

Yeah, that's about what I'd consider his value as well. I'd say a 2nd round pick and a couple of 6th or 7th rounders. Leafs love their late round picks. Three 6th rounders this year, four 7th rounders this year. They should get a head-start on the 2021 late round picks.

2nd 2020
6th 2021, 7th 2021

Whole lotta darts can be thrown at the board that way.

 

[A1LeafNation]

We have to almost completely rebuild the bottom 6

Probably, but it doesnt make sense to sell him for pennies on the dollar.

Also did he play enough last year to assess he was an issue?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Probably, but it doesnt make sense to sell him for pennies on the dollar.

Also did he play enough last year to assess he was an issue?

There is no probably to it, it needs to be done

 

[GJMax01]

Petry signed 4 x 6-6.5 for 15th OA, Halander and Johnsson

 

[Magic Man]

Andreas Johnsson for Lawson Crouse. Switches up team makeup.

 

[Mickey Marner]

My money is on one of Ottawa's four 2nds.

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

Only 3 retention slots though. We're likely going to use 2 on Stepan and Hjalmarsson so not sure it's worth using one on Demers. If we want to get out from under Kessel's deal too for example that may require retention.

If Hjalmarsson is really going to wave his no trade clause then Johnsson's value is part of a package for this level of a player. Something with Johnsson and Andersen going to Arizona makes a ton of sense especially if Arizona is willing to retain.

 

[rt]

Andreas Johnsson for Lawson Crouse. Switches up team makeup.

No chance I would do that as a Coyotes fan. No way.

The Demers+Fischer proposal from earlier in the thread, I’d do.