admiralcadillac
Registered User
- Oct 22, 2017
- 7,616
- 6,919
Confirmed with Link: Anderson to Habs for Domi and a 3rd II
- Thread starter montreal
- Start date
Yikes that's an absurd contract. You'd think if we were sacrificing term he would have been more lenient on salary
DAChampion
Registered User
- May 28, 2011
- 30,184
- 21,627
Archijerej
Registered User
We either have an excellent read on Anderson's health and potential or Bergevin just got bend over by a threat of his pricey acquisition going UFA next offseason.
I mean, Domi and Anderson have the same agent. Didn't he know what to expect contract-wise before trading for him? Or he knew and was ok with this?
I mean, Domi and Anderson have the same agent. Didn't he know what to expect contract-wise before trading for him? Or he knew and was ok with this?
calder candidate
Registered User
This is the craziest this I ever seen... getting $ and term for a guy that hit 40pts once and coming off a full year with a major surgery... How the F do you buy high a year late in a trade and how the F do you over paid on a long term contract.
The Great Weal
Phil's Pizza
- Jan 15, 2015
- 54,128
- 68,836
Oh shit that's a lot of money. No wonder why we gave up that much. I dont like the contract at all.
TannedBum
Registered User
- Jul 23, 2014
- 2,204
- 1,290
A Loyal Demidog
Marc Bergevin's Bitch
- Oct 20, 2016
- 9,761
- 11,939
DramaticGloveSave
Voice of Reason
- Apr 17, 2017
- 14,804
- 13,701
This is the kind of contract that can break a team. Not necessarily because of the salary cap, but more because you have a new guy in the dressing room that has not proven anything in Mtl yet. If he ends up making more money than guys like Danault, Armia, Gallagher and his play is subpar compared to his teammates, that's going to weight on him, and create dissension in the room. See Drouin for a perfect example of this.
1909
Registered User
- Jul 6, 2016
- 20,959
- 11,572
Just the opposite. Guys are happy now. They will get better contracts themselves. Armia is a bottom-line winger. He will never reach that. Gally will get 7M $ . Danault, about 5-6 M $.
Domi is making 5,5 too for two years and will get 2M $ more after that.
Adam Michaels
Registered User
1909
Registered User
- Jul 6, 2016
- 20,959
- 11,572
The length is too much for sure. The amount is slightly more than what I was expecting.
1909
Registered User
- Jul 6, 2016
- 20,959
- 11,572
Both shoulders broken. 1 goal last season. 0.4 ppg whole career. 7x 5.5M
Saku Koivu should never had played again after his cancer, if I follow your drift. The guy is healthy and will deliver the goods. No doubt.
Ozmodiar
Registered User
- Oct 18, 2017
- 6,198
- 7,485
Well then ...Alex Tuch signed a 7yr 33.2M deal (AAV 4.75M) at the age of 23.
Production was similar, but Josh Anderson is older.
I doubt either side really wants a long term deal at this point.
Anderson coming off the year he did, probably wants to reset his value to where it was headed pre-injury and the Habs likely want to take a look at how things go.
LaP
Registered User
Man we did not want to commit for Radulov but we commit for Anderson? Hope for MB it will work cause this has the potential to be very very bad.
He couldn't. Anderson was insisting on a long term deal. Jarmo wanted a 2 year deal and Anderson would only do long term, which Jarmo wouldn't do. It's the playstyle.
It will be easily worth the 3rd just to see the Josh Anderson you get this year. He's a great player, far better than his statline. It's a good trade.
But the 7 year deal is a different story. Josh plays a very violent game.
Both shoulders broken. 1 goal last season. 0.4 ppg whole career. 7x 5.5M
I'm happy for Josh, not sure for Montreal.
He could spend a lot of that on IR. No problem with the $5.5m part, it's the 7 years that is bonkers.
abo9
Registered User
- Jun 25, 2017
- 9,147
- 7,267
Not the same GM
I know MB is still the face... but seemed like a total change of philosophy starting 2018.
Now on to the trade: I was wondering why Columbus would let this guy go considering the Anderson's "fans" clamoured he was a most-wanted acquisition (across the league!) and a very rare type of player. Now it makes more sense. They were surely not ready to commit to that much money for him. They did not commit to Domi for a lot of years either, maybe on Domi's ask?
Some are still saying 7 years locked better than 2, but that's all speculations. If Domi finds his spot as a reliable 2nd line, 50 pts center behind Dubois, Columbus will continue to be a tough team to play against and might be ready to open the checkbooks for him. Maybe he walks away in 2 years and that sucks. Anderson might become a good 25-20 type powerforward that will be a mainstay in Montreal's top 6 and live up to his contract... or he might be a 20-15 type player who's gonna be overpaid for most of his tenure.
Domi was becoming an issue in Montreal and he was actually traded for another problem before. Where one player quickly found himself passing around the league, the other excelled for a year in a different town. Since Julien took over, the philosophy for the Habs is to get bigger and more physical. However, the team followed an entertainment model based on speed and talent since its conception.
Domi has talent unfortunately he needs to get his head around. As for Anderson, he brings size and grit but has yet to live up to his offensive potential. At 26, it's unlikely he will ever reach it. This reeks desperation from the Habs prospective after failing to land a big fish previously. It worked out in Montreal's favour because many of these players that chose to play elsewhere are now becoming cap problems for their own respective new teams and not living up to potential.
This contract is MB's big splash and llikely heading for a buyout in 3-4 years time. This is a PR stunt to silence the media.
I would of committed 2 years to Domi instead and trade him for futures. With Anderson, MB believes he can compete for the Cup which clearly shows why he is an incompetent GM.
Many comparables can be made but how I see it is the Habs got a better younger Rene Bourque on a David Clarkson deal.
Last edited:
abo9
Registered User
- Jun 25, 2017
- 9,147
- 7,267
Bolded is what I'm thinking too, which I don't understand because all of the recent moves (2018-now) have been made of short terms deals in line with a rebuilt and making the roster flexible for bringing in young players. Locking Anderson for 7 years indicates that he's expected to be a significant part of the KK/Suzuki/Caufield/etc. core, which is weird to me because I see that core starting to compete in 3-4 years (with the other prospects pushing behind). And based on other Power Forward's history, Anderson's shelf life might not be much more than 4-5 years MAX.
I also don't believe this team is ready to compete now, but the recent moves remind me of Tampa getting bigger last year (difference being we don't have the core to bring those support pieces to the playoffs). I do think these acquisitions make us better though, even if ever so slightly. Edmunson > Kulak, Mete. Anderson is currently more a fit than Domi, and Allen >Kinkaid (I freaking hope).
Allen will do great as a backup, however his 4.5 cap hit stings. Many goalies became suddenly available through buyouts, so maybe MB should have waited. Rush panic move in my mind. The only good thing is that he's gone after next year, so it doesn't hurt the team capwise. I don't mind this move to be honest.
Edmundson will do fine and is an upgrade over Kulak/Mete. However, he doesn't bring that much offense. In any scenario, the whole LD fiasco is MB's fault for trading away a good prospect for enigmatic Drouin, letting go Markov and trading away Beaulieu. Losing them was not much of an issue but with what he replaced them: Alzner, Schlemko, made of glass, and AHLer Morrow. That should have been enough to fire him.
It took some 3 years to address the LD and it still needs work. Mete can't develop a shot, Kulak is inconsistent and Chiarot/Edmundson are serviceable D that are not top 4.
Will Anderson help because of size and his physique, definitely, however trading away Domi and a pick was overpayment in my mind. Anderson was hyped by the Blue Jackets and MB fell into their trap. This is what good organisations do, maximize the player's value. Instead, Montreal loves to devalue assets. We saw it with Pacces, Domi and Galchenyuk. MB has some talent though in this regard. He can take full advantage of hyping third/fourth liners/bottom players for late rounder picks and AHLers for Laval.
These so called power forwards in Montréal don't do well as history has shown us. They have lots of pressure to perform. In my mind, 7 years is too long for a player that has yet to establish himself as a genuine power forward. Going through his stats, he has never hit 50 points in a single season and is 26 years old. What stings more with this deal is that player will be paid top dollar starting 2023. That 5.5 caphit is manageable at least.
This is nothing more than a publicity stunt to keep the media at bay for a while. MB will say, I finally got us that power forward you all wanted. Yet, true offensive guys avoid this place like the plague. That shows us all that this is a desperation move. Considering that Domi signed for 2 years and Anderson was given 7, it tells us that MB should not be trusted. A few weeks ago, he kept saying that Hall will cost too much and he rather keep money for the youngsters. My feeling is that they wanted to commit to Domi but the player wanted out. He became a problem and was replaced.
The good thing is that lots of players will have less pressure now since Anderson has been elevated to stardom overnight. I really hope the very best for the player but I have a feeling a buyout is coming in 3-4 years which will hurt the team.
The plan in my mind was to make Anderson the new scapegoat. The player saw the $$$, but he hasn't seen how nasty the fanbase and media can become.
I just hope MB doesn't do more questionable moves today because he is on a dangerous spending spree.
These moves will not bring the team any closer to the playoffs. Offense will. Julien doesn't realize that.
Last edited:
Adam Michaels
Registered User
So instead of shooting himself in the foot, Bergevin decided it would be better to shoot himself in the face.
Gotcha.
Ad
Upcoming events
-
-
-
-
-
NHL Preseason Kraft NHL Hockeyville Canada - Pittsburgh Penguins vs Ottawa SenatorsWagers: 1Staked: $300.00Event closes
- Updated: