Confirmed with Link: Anderson to Habs for Domi and a 3rd II

[The Great Weal]

I'd take Granlund over Byron - not to mention it's an upgrade in size. Domi and Anderson together would have also been fine by me. But we had to use Domi to get Anderson.... and I'm fine with Armia starting on the 4th line and coming into the top 9 when there's the inevitable injury.

Your boy Kovalchuk on a 1 year, 1M deal could play LW.

Granlund is going to be far more expensive than Byron. Armia on the 4th line is a waste, we shouldn't have made the trade if that was the plan. We are a better team with Domi and Armia on the 3rd than Anderson on the 3rd and Armia on the 4th.

Also Kovalchuk is not a star winger, the guy is done.

 

[LaP]

I'd take Granlund over Byron - not to mention it's an upgrade in size. Domi and Anderson together would have also been fine by me. But we had to use Domi to get Anderson.... and I'm fine with Armia starting on the 4th line and coming into the top 9 when there's the inevitable injury.

Your boy Kovalchuk on a 1 year, 1M deal could play LW.

I'd take anyone over Byron. Never understood that hard on for this guy. I just don't get it. Defensively okayish at best. Offensively he'll bring some offense with his speed when given space but can easily be countered by good and big defense. He's not versatile. He's okay but terribly overrated. I called before we signed his big contract that we should have traded him. Still believe we should have. His salary was minuscule and at the deadline his cap space was non existent. He had a good season. He was worth a 1st i'm 100% sure. We should have taken that first and run away very fast.

 

[donghabs98]

It's a lot of eggs for two baskets though. Specially since those baskets are not like surefire basket à la Crosby/Malkin or McJesus/Draislt. I could see one of Suzuki or JK reach its full potential but both still possible but i would not count on it personally. Still think we need more and MB must be all in. He must get his Chicago's Hossa or his Pens Kessel.

I agree, I think getting a bigger name scoring winger will help either centre grow amd it will up elevate the pressure and spotlight on them. Getting that player to come here has been a longstanding issue and if Bergevin does it I'd be pretty surprised.

 

[calder candidate]

This still seem like it isn’t real...
Anderson +3rd for Domi

1) a 3rd is basically nothing
2) Anderson is a year older
3) Anderson is a 4th rd pick who only had 1 good season he wasn’t even a pts per game in Jr or particularly good in the playoff...
4) he is coming off shoulder surgery and before the injury he was playing badly...

 

[WatchfulElm]

I think we will also need to judge this trade by what we do with the cap space we get by signing Anderson to a much cheaper deal than Domi. If we use it to add another good player, then I'm fine with the trade. If it remains unused cap space, then I'll be skeptical unless Anderson truly outplays Domi.

 

[26Mats]

Granlund is going to be far more expensive than Byron. Armia on the 4th line is a waste, we shouldn't have made the trade if that was the plan. We are a better team with Domi and Armia on the 3rd than Anderson on the 3rd and Armia on the 4th.

Also Kovalchuk is not a star winger, the guy is done.

Drouin Suzuki Anderson
Tatar Danault Gallagher
Kovalchuk Kotkaniemi Dadonov/Granlund
Lehkonen Evans Armia
Belzile

As we saw last year, there will be a ton of injuries. Having Lehkonen, Armia, and Evan's on the 4th line to start is no more of a waste than having Kulak or Mete as #7d to start: they will get in.

 

[Fish on The Sand]

I'm not even a big Domi fan and I think this trade is bad. However neither player is going to significantly alter the franchise though so it's largely an irrelevant trade so it's not worth getting worked up over.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Sign Anderson 5 years x 4 M
Re-sign Mete 2 years x 1.5 M
Sign Granlund 1 year x 4.0 M

We shouldn't need to move any contract to accommodate Granlund.

Drouin - Suzuki - Anderson
Tatar - Kotkaniemi - Gallagher
Granlund - Danault - Armia
Byron - Evans - Lehkonen
Weal

Chariot - Weber
Edmundson - Petry
Romanov - Mete
Kulak

Price
Allen

KK gets talented linemates, and Danault still gets offensive linemates.

It would be a big upgrade over what we had in the playoffs.

At forward: Anderson, Granlund vs Domi, Belzile
On defense: Edmundson, Romanov vs Kulak, Ouelett
At backup: Allen vs Lindgren

 

[JC Superstar]

And then we lose 3 players in the top 9 in the next season and 1 d-man due to expansion.

Seems like a bad idea

And then we get to choose, maybe even during the season. We still got 10 m free next year. Hey, why not win for a change ?

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

And then we get to choose, maybe even during the season. We still got 10 m free next year. Hey, why not win for a change ?

10M that you need to extend alot of people.

 

[26Mats]

Sign Anderson 5 years x 4 M
Re-sign Mete 2 years x 1.5 M
Sign Granlund 1 year x 4.0 M

We shouldn't need to move any contract to accommodate Granlund.

Drouin - Suzuki - Anderson
Tatar - Kotkaniemi - Gallagher
Granlund - Danault - Armia
Byron - Evans - Lehkonen
Weal

Chariot - Weber
Edmundson - Petry
Romanov - Mete
Kulak

Price
Allen

KK gets talented linemates, and Danault still gets offensive linemates.

It would be a big upgrade over what we had in the playoffs.

At forward: Anderson, Granlund vs Domi, Belzile
On defense: Edmundson, Romanov vs Kulak, Ouelett
At backup: Allen vs Lindgren

Fyi, I think Anderson will get 5M and Granlund will get 6M AAV on a long term deal.

 

[JC Superstar]

10M that you need to extend alot of people.

If you take into account the people we may want to extend, it's 20 m.

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

Bourque had no heart whatsoever, so lazy ... bad comparison

If there bis someone who can compare with former players it's me. I predict Anderson will be the new Murray Wilson. A bigger Wilson. But comparing with Bourque, come on!
Comparaison note : 1/10

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Fyi, I think Anderson will get 5M and Granlund will get 6M AAV on a long term deal.

Can't see either happening.
Anderson was paid 1.85 M on his last contract and hasn't proven enough to get 5 M.
Granlund was paid 5.75 M on his last contract, which he signed after a 69 pt season, and has struggled with Nashville. His recent struggles would be a reason to sign a 1-year deal. A prove-me deal to get a bigger contract.

+ the cap is staying stagnant for the next few years, so players won't be getting as much as they normally would.

 

[Walrus26]

All the people howling about "value" must be wilfully ignoring the Max Domi we saw for over half a season and in the playoffs. He very clearly "checked out" and was barely even mailing it in. Perhaps they've also overlooked the 3 centres above him on the depth chart and don't want to hear how Domi has made it clear he isn't interested in playing wing?

Anderson is a good return for a fire sale. Domi was never going to re-engage here, Anderson is likely to rebound from his injury. The 3rd is a symbolic overpayment to seal the deal in a bidding war.

 

[nhlfan9191]

This still seem like it isn’t real...
Anderson +3rd for Domi

1) a 3rd is basically nothing
2) Anderson is a year older
3) Anderson is a 4th rd pick who only had 1 good season he wasn’t even a pts per game in Jr or particularly good in the playoff...
4) he is coming off shoulder surgery and before the injury he was playing badly...

When I first heard the trade, I felt so disappointed. And I still think we overpaid big time. After watching back some game tapes of him, if this Anderson kid is healthy, he may actually be alright from a role stand point. I would’ve preferred defensive help obviously as wingers are much easier to acquire threw FA/trades, but I think this guy is a little unique with his style. I’m willing to atleast give this a chance but this is risky as all h*** from Bergevin.

 

[A Loyal Demidog]

I’ve posted this in the main boards, but after much reflecting, here are my thoughts:


Bergevin qualified Domi and apparently had given him an offer. He realized Domi and his new agent were playing hardball and trying to get him to UFA as fast as possible.

Bergevin, knowing he had a glaring hole in the wings, realized Domi wasn’t cool playing on the wings. He, or Danault (a shutdown specialist), was an expendable Center.

Bergevin was set out to do one thing: he was going to go “all-in” to get a big scoring winger. Obviously, going all-in does not necessarily have to translate with gutting your team... He tried with Laine and realized it would cost him too much. As FA was approaching mightily fast, he probably saw Columbus- who was in search of a 2C- was about to trade Anderson to another team. There had been lots of interest, considering the shortage of scoring power forwards in the league.

Naturally, with Anderson’s abysmal season ridden with injuries, all teams tried to get him for not much. As demand grew quickly, and with the draft about to happen, Bergevin felt it was now or never to strike. He made a promise to get the team a big, scoring winger, and here was one of his best chances...

Jarmo knew Bergevin was desperate. He knew Bergevin tried to beat the crowd. He squeezed out the most he could from Bergevin, including a draft pick - perfectly knowing Bergevin had lots to begin with.

—

Now, was the trade a good one in terms of finding the right player for each team? Possibly. Columbus got a 2C and Montreal got a player coming off an embarrassing season (once again, ridden with injuries). Should Anderson bounce back to pre-injury, this would certainly seem as a win-win, since it fills needs for both teams.

That said... The trade value is completely off. It’s very clear to me that Bergevin panicked, and that’s why it is as lopsided as it can be. Bergevin did not want to risk losing out on a potentially-back-in-form Anderson over a clearly-disgruntled, expendable player (Domi) and gave it his all to ensure this was a done deal. After all, with the myriad of draft picks Montreal has, a 3rd was as meaningless as it can get. And if it indeed was what was needed to ensure the deal happened then, then it would have all been worth it for Bergevin.


Do know that I have written on here a few weeks ago that I had received a tip from a good friend about the Habs going “all in” for a big scoring winger. This, to me, is the reason I believe my version of things are maybe akin to what actually happened in the end... The Habs went above and beyond to make sure they got their player (calculated risks and all), without gutting their future or their team.

 

[PhysicX]

You're on, want to put money on it? You do understand the relation between shot totals and goal totals yes? And Anderson will be playing on line 1 given Gally's increasingly broken body and size. IF Anderson stays healthy he will score more than 20 at least once. How much you want to bet?

You state this as if scoring 20 is a feat of some sorts.

Can we f***ing get a first liner capable of scoring 40? Anderson is not a first-line player. He's at most a sketchy second-liner.

 

[26Mats]

Can't see either happening.
Anderson was paid 1.85 M on his last contract and hasn't proven enough to get 5 M.
Granlund was paid 5.75 M on his last contract, which he signed after a 69 pt season, and has struggled with Nashville. His recent struggles would be a reason to sign a 1-year deal. A prove-me deal to get a bigger contract.

+ the cap is staying stagnant for the next few years, so players won't be getting as much as they normally would.

We'll see.

But the whole reason Anderson was available is he wanted a big contract and Columbus refused to give it to him. I think if he doesn't get his big contract he'll sign a 1 year deal, hold resentment toward management, and test the UFA market...

As for Granlund. In his last year in Minny he still scored at a 64 points over 82 games pace - after scoring at 71 and 69 point paces over 82 games. He wasn't good in Nashville - but this is the UFA market we're talking about. It only takes 1 GM.

 

[bobholly39]

After calming down I don’t hate it, still think the 3rd was not necessary...

I honestly could care less about the trade. If we really wanted Anderson - and if the GM was being difficult saying 'add a 3rd' - to me the 3rd is essentially worthless. Have that gm feel he 'won' if we're happy with the value.

That being said - still completely unsure about this trade. I feel as though both players have a ton of question marks. If Anderson rebounds (and maybe a change of scenery will help) he can be a terrific player. But if not - is he even a 4th liner?
As for Domi - clearly he was going to go - but is he this year's Domi, or is he a #1 center who still scores 70+ points on a weak offensive team, and can maybe do ppg+ on a better team? That's mighty high value if so.

Time will tell...

 

[bobholly39]

I’ve posted this in the main boards, but after much reflecting, here are my thoughts:


Bergevin qualified Domi and apparently had given him an offer. He realized Domi and his new agent were playing hardball and trying to get him to UFA as fast as possible.

Bergevin, knowing he had a glaring hole in the wings, realized Domi wasn’t cool playing on the wings. He, or Danault (a shutdown specialist), was an expendable Center.

Bergevin was set out to do one thing: he was going to go “all-in” to get a big scoring winger. Obviously, going all-in does not necessarily have to translate with gutting your team... He tried with Laine and realized it would cost him too much. As FA was approaching mightily fast, he probably saw Columbus- who was in search of a 2C- was about to trade Anderson to another team. There had been lots of interest, considering the shortage of scoring power forwards in the league.

Naturally, with Anderson’s abysmal season ridden with injuries, all teams tried to get him for not much. As demand grew quickly, and with the draft about to happen, Bergevin felt it was now or never to strike. He made a promise to get the team a big, scoring winger, and here was one of his best chances...

Jarmo knew Bergevin was desperate. He knew Bergevin tried to beat the crowd. He squeezed out the most he could from Bergevin, including a draft pick - perfectly knowing Bergevin had lots to begin with.

—

Now, was the trade a good one in terms of finding the right player for each team? Possibly. Columbus got a 2C and Montreal got a player coming off an embarrassing season (once again, ridden with injuries). Should Anderson bounce back to pre-injury, this would certainly seem as a win-win, since it fills needs for both teams.

That said... The trade value is completely off. It’s very clear to me that Bergevin panicked, and that’s why it is as lopsided as it can be. Bergevin did not want to risk losing out on a potentially-back-in-form Anderson over a clearly-disgruntled, expendable player (Domi) and gave it his all to ensure this was a done deal. After all, with the myriad of draft picks Montreal has, a 3rd was as meaningless as it can get. And if it indeed was what was needed to ensure the deal happened then, then it would have all been worth it for Bergevin.


Do know that I have written on here a few weeks ago that I had received a tip from a good friend about the Habs going “all in” for a big scoring winger. This, to me, is the reason I believe my version of things are maybe akin to what actually happened in the end... The Habs went above and beyond to make sure they got their player (calculated risks and all), without gutting their future or their team.

I remember reading that and liking your post at the time. Honestly if I could find that post of yours - i'd go back and unlike it now. To me - Anderson isn't "going all-in" =/

Would have wanted something much bigger. Like Laine.

I don't know Anderson much - but even the year he scored 27 goals, he didn't even break 50 points....offensively this is just a really low bar. Domi had 72 points as a #1 center, if things fall his way he can probably get close to ppg. What can Anderson do? Score 60 points as a winger?

I admit I wasn't crazy on Galch for Domi at the time and it worked out, so i'm willing to wait and see, but initial thoughts are not good on this one

 

[hockeyfan2k18]

Habs fans change like the wind. Now it’s time to devalue do I in order to make Bergie look good when just earlier dominwas the greatest thing since sliced bread. Why do fans do this? This is a bad trade that CAN work out I guess. But it’s bad because he traded a healthy player for a non healthy player coming off a bad year and added a 3rd. Anyways, I’m not invested in this franchise anymore so I don’t care.

 

[Omar]

I’ve posted this in the main boards, but after much reflecting, here are my thoughts:


Bergevin qualified Domi and apparently had given him an offer. He realized Domi and his new agent were playing hardball and trying to get him to UFA as fast as possible.

Bergevin, knowing he had a glaring hole in the wings, realized Domi wasn’t cool playing on the wings. He, or Danault (a shutdown specialist), was an expendable Center.

Bergevin was set out to do one thing: he was going to go “all-in” to get a big scoring winger. Obviously, going all-in does not necessarily have to translate with gutting your team... He tried with Laine and realized it would cost him too much. As FA was approaching mightily fast, he probably saw Columbus- who was in search of a 2C- was about to trade Anderson to another team. There had been lots of interest, considering the shortage of scoring power forwards in the league.

Naturally, with Anderson’s abysmal season ridden with injuries, all teams tried to get him for not much. As demand grew quickly, and with the draft about to happen, Bergevin felt it was now or never to strike. He made a promise to get the team a big, scoring winger, and here was one of his best chances...

Jarmo knew Bergevin was desperate. He knew Bergevin tried to beat the crowd. He squeezed out the most he could from Bergevin, including a draft pick - perfectly knowing Bergevin had lots to begin with.

—

Now, was the trade a good one in terms of finding the right player for each team? Possibly. Columbus got a 2C and Montreal got a player coming off an embarrassing season (once again, ridden with injuries). Should Anderson bounce back to pre-injury, this would certainly seem as a win-win, since it fills needs for both teams.

That said... The trade value is completely off. It’s very clear to me that Bergevin panicked, and that’s why it is as lopsided as it can be. Bergevin did not want to risk losing out on a potentially-back-in-form Anderson over a clearly-disgruntled, expendable player (Domi) and gave it his all to ensure this was a done deal. After all, with the myriad of draft picks Montreal has, a 3rd was as meaningless as it can get. And if it indeed was what was needed to ensure the deal happened then, then it would have all been worth it for Bergevin.


Do know that I have written on here a few weeks ago that I had received a tip from a good friend about the Habs going “all in” for a big scoring winger. This, to me, is the reason I believe my version of things are maybe akin to what actually happened in the end... The Habs went above and beyond to make sure they got their player (calculated risks and all), without gutting their future or their team.

The trade wasn’t lopsided at all. Anderson is what we didn’t have, Domi is what we did have. The pick for us was a sweetener we threw in to get it done because we have so many picks and prospects. We checked all of Anderson’s medical reports and were satisfied, plus we gain cap space in the deal. We’ve saved at least $2m so far by trading for Anderson and buying out Alzner to make a play for a UFA winger or bring someone in vis trade. Oh ya, and Bergevin checked in on Anderson before the trade deadline so he didn’t panic.

 

[Colezuki]

IF Anderson doesn't bounce back, and that is very likely, you will be embarrassed by your post in a year.

Besides, I'll never be embarrassed by this post because EVERYONE knows Domi was worth significantly more than Anderson (I mean, go look at my poll: Anderson vs 3rd round pick - it's very close lol). So regardless of what Anderson does next year, the point stands: Bergevin could have had MORE. He was in a position of strength and somehow made it his weakness. This is somewhat like Subban vs Weber, except Anderson is coming off a shitty year, while Weber wasn't. And sure, while Weber became better, the point stands that Bergevin could have had more for Subban as well.

If this is true why didn’t another GM offer more? It’s not like it was a secret, could it be... gasp that he wasn’t as highly valued as we thought he was

 

[not quite yoda]

I think it is fascinating that Bergevin says "nobody trades you centers" yet we had to give up a 3rd rounder so that CBJ would take ours. By the way, Domi had a better season points wise last year than Anderson. Also Domi is not coming off a bad injury. So we are the ones taking the risk here.

And by the way, Bergevin says we value centers more than wingers on our draft board. And we draft centers way more than wingers.

Yet we traded a center, got a winger. And habs are the ones giving up the extra pick.

It defies logic.