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The Podium said:
I agree and I still support Andersen as the starter. I just don’t believe you can say with certainty that Campbell can’t be one as well
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I’m in the same spot. Literally how I feel. Not saying he deserves it. And I really like andersen. But I feel his game has also trended negatively the last year and a half. Andersen over the last year doesn’t deserve a raise and long term deal. Andersen of his first few years on the leafs would deserve it. That’s the problem.
 
OldTimeHockey said:
There's a difference between giving him a shot at the job and trading away the "starter" because you saw him beat the Ottawa Senators with 19 shots against.
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Freddy had a 0.792 SV% on Friday against the same team. Just sayin'.

Besides, we've seen enough of Campbell by now to form an opinion. Mine's that he's capable but I guess we'll never know if he's never given a string of games to show he can handle the workload and win consistently.
 
The Hanging Jowl said:
Freddy had a 0.792 SV% on Friday against the same team. Just sayin'.

Besides, we've seen enough of Campbell by now to form an opinion. Mine's that he's capable but I guess we'll never know if he's never given a string of games to show he can handle the workload and win consistently.
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Take a look at what I'm saying.
I'm all for giving Campbell a shot if he gets hot and wins games. What I'm not for is trading Andersen for a bag of pucks and running with Campbell and Dell/Hutchinson.
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
#1 goalies aren't mythical creatures you know when a guy is a #1 for the most part.

Jack Campbell isn't it
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We don't know this till he gets an opportunity to have a starters workload. He has only been in the league a few years but has solid career #s. Sometimes that's all a goalie needs is an opportunity whether it was them being stuck behind another goalie or finally reaching their potential.

Goalies don't usually become starters till they're in their mid to late 20s and then have a 5-6yr run. Dubnyk, Bishop and Craig Anderson are a few examples off the top of my head that didn't become starters till they were around 27-29. Tim Thomas was around 31. Campbell is 29. Hart and Vasilevskiy are the rare exceptions if guys that were starters in their early 20s.

It would be nice to not have the uncertainty of going into next season of not knowing who our starter is going to be when we should be contenders. We'll see.
 
I think if we did re-sign Andersen it would be a massive mistake. Appreciate all he’s done, but it’d probably have to be for more than what he’s making now and his play has not warranted a deal like that. With our cap situation, it could absolutely cripple us.

My hope is that Dubas has been looking at alternatives going forward for almost a year now. We don’t need elite goaltending to win a cup, we need good, consistent, and reliable goaltending.
 
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You don't need a "big" name, or "big" contract, to succeed between the pipes.

If you play well, you deserve a chance to keep playing. Jack played well so he deserves another start. Maybe this will let Freddy know that he should be wary of his sense of entitlement as the #1 goalie. Competition is never a bad thing.
 
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Future said:
I think if we did re-sign Andersen it would be a massive mistake. Appreciate all he’s done, but it’d probably have to be for more than what he’s making now and his play has not warranted a deal like that. With our cap situation, it could absolutely cripple us.

My hope is that Dubas has been looking at alternatives going forward for almost a year now. We don’t need elite goaltending to win a cup, we need good, consistent, and reliable goaltending.
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If he puts up another season of high 2's GAA and sub .910 SV% then there is no way he'll get more than his current contract, especially in the current cap landscape. With those numbers no team would sign him to be their #1. He would be a tandem option and paid accordingly.
 
Future said:
I think if we did re-sign Andersen it would be a massive mistake. Appreciate all he’s done, but it’d probably have to be for more than what he’s making now and his play has not warranted a deal like that. With our cap situation, it could absolutely cripple us.

My hope is that Dubas has been looking at alternatives going forward for almost a year now. We don’t need elite goaltending to win a cup, we need good, consistent, and reliable goaltending.
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Hey I'm all for re-signing Andersen. But definitely not North of $5.5m +.

If he really wants to be a Leaf and has bad year again, I'd offer him like a 5 yr contract at $4ish million. Whether he goes for it or not is a different debate.
 
MattySnipes said:
Hey I'm all for re-signing Andersen. But definitely not North of $5.5m +.

If he really wants to be a Leaf and has bad year again, I'd offer him like a 5 yr contract at $4ish million. Whether he goes for it or not is a different debate.
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After his first 2 performances, I'd go in a different direction but (unless Dubas surprises everybody and moves him soon), I want to see what he does for half a season before deciding what to do with him.
 
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MattySnipes said:
Hey I'm all for re-signing Andersen. But definitely not North of $5.5m +.

If he really wants to be a Leaf and has bad year again, I'd offer him like a 5 yr contract at $4ish million. Whether he goes for it or not is a different debate.
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If he has a bad year, you'd give him a 20 million dollar deal? Ok Kyle I see the problem now.
 
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MattySnipes said:
Hey I'm all for re-signing Andersen. But definitely not North of $5.5m +.

If he really wants to be a Leaf and has bad year again, I'd offer him like a 5 yr contract at $4ish million. Whether he goes for it or not is a different debate.
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He's not getting a 5 year contract at any number from the Leafs. The Leafs probably top out at 3 or 4 years. They may even cut that down to 2 or 3 years like what happened with Holtby. Andersen is effectively playing to determine what his number will be.
 
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Confucius said:
If he has a bad year, you'd give him a 20 million dollar deal? Ok Kyle I see the problem now.
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He's had a rough few years. If we can get him on the cheap and he turns it around it could be good

I know, lots of ifs. He has shown to be excellent #1 early with Leafs. Dubas and co will have to evaluate just how much that last groin injury effected his play. If he can't recover then yeah, let him go.
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
Let me put it this way.

2010 Niemi, 2011 Thomas, 2012, Quick, 2013 Crawford, 2014 Quick, 2015 Crawford 2016 Murray, 2017 Murray/Fluery 2018 Holtby, 2019 Binnington, 2020 Vasy.

That's very starter that has won a cup since 1991 how many guys who weren't legitimate #1 goalies do you see?

I see 3, MAYBE 4, 2 of those were 97 and 98 the non cap Era. the other 2 were Osgood in 08 and MAYBE Niemi Niemi in 2010 although he did have a few years he was a #1, and yes Cam ward won playoff MVP he counts as a #1.
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That's because you're applying a mind boggling amount of revisionist history/ hindsight

10 Niemi- 27 years old with 3 NHL games going into the year he won the cup
11-Thomas- established starter for that cup run, at Campbell's age was a journeyman playing in Europe
12- Quick- 26 year old established starter
13- Crawford-29 at the time of the cup, 1A type with only two seasons over 50 games and less than 130 total
14-Quick- still established starter
15- Crawford- now established starter
16- Murray- rookie with zero NHL games going into the season
17-Fluery/Murray- platoon
18-Holtby- established starter
19-Binnington-26 year old third stringer with 1 NHL game going into the season
20- Vasi- established starter

So out of 11 years, 3 players tenders with demonstrably worse track records than Campbell has today, plus one that was a nobody at his current age, and another that was only moderately more proven.
 
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