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Guys this is way for Freddy he gets off to slow starts and then he gets it back we have seen it since 2017.

Let's be honest the team quit on him on Friday, if they played Friday like they did last night we'd be 3-0 instead of 2-1 and this conversation wouldn't be happening but they did quit on Friday so it is
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
Why? Campbell was solid tonight but he's a backup, he's not the guy you can start 55-60 times in a normal season.

moving on from Freddy is one thing but you got to bring in somebody because Jack Campbell and Aaron Dell isn't going to gett it done.
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Most starters were first backups. Campbell and Dell have played well as backups it's time to roll with them since Fred has been borderline rubbish for awhile now.
 
zeke said:
Stop searching for a mythical #1G.

Just gather a bunch of decent goalies and give them an equal chance to win the job come playoffs. If Freddy wins that battle, go with him. If he can't, don't.
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#1 goalies aren't mythical creatures you know when a guy is a #1 for the most part.

Jack Campbell isn't it
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
#1 goalies aren't mythical creatures you know when a guy is a #1 for the most part.

Jack Campbell isn't it
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Do we?

Are recent cup goalies binnington holtby Murray #1 goalies?

Does cup favorite Colorado have a #1 goalie?
 
zeke said:
Do we?

Are recent cup goalies binnington holtby Murray #1 goalies?

Does cup favorite Colorado have a #1 goalie?
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Murray yes, Holtby? at the time yes although ge did have a down regular season, Binnington? yes, Colorado, No and that is why they won't win.

Let me put it this way.

91, Brassoo, 92, Brassoo, 93 Roy, 94 Ritcher, 95 Brodeur, 96 Roy, 97 Vernon/Osgood, 98, Osgood, 99 Belfour, 2000 Brodeur, 2001 Roy, 2002 Hasek, 2003 Brodeur, 2004, Bulin, 2006 Ward, 2007 Giguere, 2008 Osgood, 2009. Fluery, 2010 Niemi, 2011 Thomas, 2012, Quick, 2013 Crawford, 2014 Quick, 2015 Crawford 2016 Murray, 2017 Murray/Fluery 2018 Holtby, 2019 Binnington, 2020 Vasy.

That's very starter that has won a cup since 1991 how many guys who weren't legitimate #1 goalies do you see?

I see 3, MAYBE 4, 2 of those were 97 and 98 the non cap Era. the other 2 were Osgood in 08 and MAYBE Niemi Niemi in 2010 although he did have a few years he was a #1, and yes Cam ward won playoff MVP he counts as a #1.

So basically there are 3 clear examples they all involve Osgood, 2 that you can question and the rest are without question legitimate #1 goalies.

You NEED the guy, not guy, THE guy.

Campbell is a good backup, he is not THE guy
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
Murray yes, Holtby? at the time yes although ge did have a down regular season, Binnington? yes, Colorado, No and that is why they won't win.

Let me put it this way.

91, Brassoo, 92, Brassoo, 93 Roy, 94 Ritcher, 95 Brodeur, 96 Roy, 97 Vernon/Osgood, 98, Osgood, 99 Belfour, 2000 Brodeur, 2001 Roy, 2002 Hasek, 2003 Brodeur, 2004, Bulin, 2006 Ward, 2007 Giguere, 2008 Osgood, 2009. Fluery, 2010 Niemi, 2011 Thomas, 2012, Quick, 2013 Crawford, 2014 Quick, 2015 Crawford 2016 Murray, 2017 Murray/Fluery 2018 Holtby, 2019 Binnington, 2020 Vasy.

That's very starter that has won a cup since 1991 how many guys who weren't legitimate #1 goalies do you see?

I see 3, MAYBE 4, 2 of those were 97 and 98 the non cap Era. the other 2 were Osgood in 08 and MAYBE Niemi Niemi in 2010 although he did have a few years he was a #1, and yes Cam ward won playoff MVP he counts as a #1.

So basically there are 3 clear examples they all involve Osgood, 2 that you can question and the rest are without question legitimate #1 goalies.

You NEED the guy, not guy, THE guy.

Campbell is a good backup, he is not THE guy
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I don’t think anyone is saying he’s THE guy, they’re saying to give him a chance to see what he’s got.

Freddys always a slow starter anyways. Someone less lazy than I can post the stats of his first few games every year.
 
The90 said:
I don’t think anyone is saying he’s THE guy, they’re saying to give him a chance to see what he’s got.

Freddys always a slow starter anyways. Someone less lazy than I can post the stats of his first few games every year.
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And I'm telling you we know what he is, a very very good backup
 
zeke said:
Do we?

Are recent cup goalies binnington holtby Murray #1 goalies?

Does cup favorite Colorado have a #1 goalie?
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You throw a bunch of names but you don't mention Vasilevskiy?

There are strong goalies and they give the team confidence to play the game trying to score not being forced to play scared and trying to save the goal.

We don't have anyone of that caliber yet and Jack Campbell isn't enough to warrant a #1.

While I do think that at this point almost anyone is better than Andersen, he has the talent to stop the most ridiculous shots but he is prone to let in a couple of gaffers in most of the games he starts.
 
LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
And I'm telling you we know what he is, a very very good backup
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Who was also once a highly touted prospect playing behind johnathan quick. He’s never gotten the chance to take the reins. It’s not implausible that he could be a #1 someday.

I agree andersens ceiling is higher, but what if campbell can give you 85% of that? Do you take the cap savings to re sign hyman + another depth piece?

Obviously he needs to prove he’s capable of that, but it’s a thought that needs to be taken into consideration.
 
The90 said:
Who was also once a highly touted prospect playing behind johnathan quick. He’s never gotten the chance to take the reins. It’s not implausible that he could be a #1 someday.

I agree andersens ceiling is higher, but what if campbell can give you 85% of that? Do you take the cap savings to re sign hyman + another depth piece?

Obviously he needs to prove he’s capable of that, but it’s a thought that needs to be taken into consideration.
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I don't disagree with the above. I think Andersen is the better goalie and gives the Leafs a better chance night in and night out to win.
In regards to the two games Andersen has played so far, he certainly has to be better. I'm not sure exactly which goals you can blame on him in game 2 though.

I'm all for giving the hot goalie the reigns. I think a good coach should always be willing to do so. That being said, Andersen is the #1 here(right or wrong) and it will take much more than a loss in the 2nd game of the season where his team forgot where the defensive zone was.
 
The Podium said:
How could you say that with any certainty if he has never been given the opportunity to be a starter? He also still is relatively young for a goalie.

Jacob Markstrom for example has his first starter caliber season at 28 years old
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There's a difference between giving him a shot at the job and trading away the "starter" because you saw him beat the Ottawa Senators with 19 shots against.
 
The90 said:
Who was also once a highly touted prospect playing behind johnathan quick. He’s never gotten the chance to take the reins. It’s not implausible that he could be a #1 someday.

I agree andersens ceiling is higher, but what if campbell can give you 85% of that? Do you take the cap savings to re sign hyman + another depth piece?

Obviously he needs to prove he’s capable of that, but it’s a thought that needs to be taken into consideration.
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he's never gotten the chance to take the reins because no team believed he can

- Dallas used a high 1st on him and dumped him
- LA has a washed up Quick who's played crap the last 2 years and meh 26 year old coming up from the minors , do you think they'd dump Campbell if they believed he could be a starter in a pkg for only a couple of 3rds ?

and yea teams make mistakes but from the games he's played with us it's hard to see a quality starter in him
 
OldTimeHockey said:
There's a difference between giving him a shot at the job and trading away the "starter" because you saw him beat the Ottawa Senators with 19 shots against.
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I agree and I still support Andersen as the starter. I just don’t believe you can say with certainty that Campbell can’t be one as well
 
hotpaws said:
he's never gotten the chance to take the reins because no team believed he can

- Dallas used a high 1st on him and dumped him
- LA has a washed up Quick who's played crap the last 2 years and meh 26 year old coming up from the minors , do you think they'd dump Campbell if they believed he could be a starter in a pkg for only a couple of 3rds ?

and yea teams make mistakes but from the games he's played with us it's hard to see a quality starter in him
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I’m not disagreeing. I literally said it would be nice if he turned into an ok starter that could give 85% of what andersen can produce.

That being said, yes it makes sense to trade him when they’re getting a good prospect and pick in return. Especially if he’s not in their future plans. Just because he didn’t work for one team doesn’t mean he’s not going to work for another. There are countless examples of players who never blossomed till they got an opportunity.
 
I really can't wait until the Leafs trade Andersen and Campbell gets hurt. Suddenly we're looking at Michael Hutchinson as our backup again.

:help:
 
The Podium said:
I agree and I still support Andersen as the starter. I just don’t believe you can say with certainty that Campbell can’t be one as well
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What better chance to find out if Campbell can do it than now ? If Dubas was seriously shopping him this past off season, he should already have called Holland last night.
 
The Podium said:
I agree and I still support Andersen as the starter. I just don’t believe you can say with certainty that Campbell can’t be one as well
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I'm all for running with the hot goalie. But let's see them actually get hot first. A win against Ottawa doesn't mean you're "hot"
 
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