Andersen decision looming for Leafs

[Stephen]

Some media folks saying he's just getting a rest day. Which j can belive, probably good to just isolate himself from the outside noise ect

It’s not a great sign of Andersen’s mental state when the guy needs a full day off on Day 4 of the NHL season and needs to isolate from the pressure of playing in an empty arena.

 

[RoadWarrior]

I've always wondered why all the posters that defend EVERY leaf player and EVERYTHING management does... but they are critical only about Andersen's play. He's the one player. I never understood it. These posters hate knee jerk reactions against any other leaf. They dig deep to weird obscure stats to defend every single solitary other leaf player. But not Andersen.

Why?

It dawned on me recently.... he's one of the only players on the team that has nothing to do with Dubas. Dubas wasn't gm when the leafs traded for him. Dubas didn't draft him. Didn't sign him to his current contract. That means that Andersen can be a scapegoat to protect everything Dubas.

I swear... if Dubas was gm and traded for Andersen, the narrative here about him would be soooo different. The obscure stats to defend him would make your head spin. "Yeah, the dumb dumb stats say Andersen sucks.... but when you look at advanced 'smart' stats like save % against none curved stick shooters of the height 5'9 to 5'11 when penalty killing down 2 men in the 2nd overtime period on full moon nights, you'll see Andersen is actually one of the best in the league".

Nice conspiracy theory. Unfortunately all you’ve done is expose yourself as a Freddy fan boy.

Campbell has been better than Freddy ever since he was acquired by the leafs including a higher save %.

If the leafs traded Freddy for more help on D I think Leaf fans would be celebrating.

 

[Leafslet]

if freddy is re signed ill be firmly jumping on the fire dubas bangwagon.

 

[stickty111]

if freddy is re signed ill be firmly jumping on the fire dubas bangwagon.

No chance he resigns.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Keefe taking indirect shots at Andersen.

 

[TMLeafer]

Campbell certainly looks a lot calmer in net.

 

[The90]

How perfect would it be if campbell developed into a #1, and added cap space for the leafs. One can dream.

 

[ChickenMcNugget]

Were you all watching the same game, Campbell made some saves but y'all are acting like he got a shutout against 50 shots.

And I like Campbell.

 

[Martin Skoula]

I've always wondered why all the posters that defend EVERY leaf player and EVERYTHING management does... but they are critical only about Andersen's play. He's the one player. I never understood it. These posters hate knee jerk reactions against any other leaf. They dig deep to weird obscure stats to defend every single solitary other leaf player. But not Andersen.

Why?

It dawned on me recently.... he's one of the only players on the team that has nothing to do with Dubas. Dubas wasn't gm when the leafs traded for him. Dubas didn't draft him. Didn't sign him to his current contract. That means that Andersen can be a scapegoat to protect everything Dubas.

I swear... if Dubas was gm and traded for Andersen, the narrative here about him would be soooo different. The obscure stats to defend him would make your head spin. "Yeah, the dumb dumb stats say Andersen sucks.... but when you look at advanced 'smart' stats like save % against none curved stick shooters of the height 5'9 to 5'11 when penalty killing down 2 men in the 2nd overtime period on full moon nights, you'll see Andersen is actually one of the best in the league".

Dubas had a full offseason to move him and find someone else, keeping Andersen is his worst decision of the offseason and worsened my view of him. Is your little brain going to explode now?

 

[Voodoo Child]

I've always wondered why all the posters that defend EVERY leaf player and EVERYTHING management does... but they are critical only about Andersen's play. He's the one player. I never understood it. These posters hate knee jerk reactions against any other leaf. They dig deep to weird obscure stats to defend every single solitary other leaf player. But not Andersen.

Why?

It dawned on me recently.... he's one of the only players on the team that has nothing to do with Dubas. Dubas wasn't gm when the leafs traded for him. Dubas didn't draft him. Didn't sign him to his current contract. That means that Andersen can be a scapegoat to protect everything Dubas.

I swear... if Dubas was gm and traded for Andersen, the narrative here about him would be soooo different. The obscure stats to defend him would make your head spin. "Yeah, the dumb dumb stats say Andersen sucks.... but when you look at advanced 'smart' stats like save % against none curved stick shooters of the height 5'9 to 5'11 when penalty killing down 2 men in the 2nd overtime period on full moon nights, you'll see Andersen is actually one of the best in the league".

I don't know that it's that, but the thing is, these issues aren't just things that started yesterday.

Look at his playoff record; I'm willing to concede the Leafs weren't beating Washington or Boston I, but Boston II was winnable with above average goaltending, and in August during CBJ he was outdueled by not one, but two goalies, a rookie included.

He's a slow starter, the October #'s have been posted I'm sure, and in a shortened season playing against the same six teams we can't afford to come out 3-7-2 or something, there is way less runway.

Personally I think he's a fine goalkeeper, at the very least an above average one, but there are some issues, like weak or untimely goals.

To be a goalie in this market you have to be made of certain stuff; Felix had it, Eddie had it, Cujo had it, Reimer had...some of it I think - Toskala and Raycroft didn't have it.

Freddy may have at one time had it, but he just got worn down by it all, it happens.

If Campbell plays 20-28 games, winning record and posts above 0.915 and less than 2.75 I'm fully prepared to walk.

If not I'm willing to roll the dice in FA, and Freddy would absolutely re-sign if the Leafs offered him term, but is that what we want?

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

I've always wondered why all the posters that defend EVERY leaf player and EVERYTHING management does... but they are critical only about Andersen's play. He's the one player. I never understood it. These posters hate knee jerk reactions against any other leaf. They dig deep to weird obscure stats to defend every single solitary other leaf player. But not Andersen.

Why?

It dawned on me recently.... he's one of the only players on the team that has nothing to do with Dubas. Dubas wasn't gm when the leafs traded for him. Dubas didn't draft him. Didn't sign him to his current contract. That means that Andersen can be a scapegoat to protect everything Dubas.

I swear... if Dubas was gm and traded for Andersen, the narrative here about him would be soooo different. The obscure stats to defend him would make your head spin. "Yeah, the dumb dumb stats say Andersen sucks.... but when you look at advanced 'smart' stats like save % against none curved stick shooters of the height 5'9 to 5'11 when penalty killing down 2 men in the 2nd overtime period on full moon nights, you'll see Andersen is actually one of the best in the league".

You do realize there is a thread 7 pages long about hating Bogosian right? Who was signed by Dubas.

 

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It’s not a great sign of Andersen’s mental state when the guy needs a full day off on Day 4 of the NHL season and needs to isolate from the pressure of playing in an empty arena.

Do you think he may want out of Toronto now?

 

[Stephen]

Do you think he may want out of Toronto now?

No, but I wouldn't mind if he did.

 

[shaner8989]

See ya

 

[leburn98]

I thought Campbell played well, especially for a goaltender who hasn't played an NHL game since March. He's definitely a calming presence in net and you can see that translate to the team in front of him.

 

[Stand Witness]

Whether or not Campbell ends up being the solution, I feel pretty confident saying Freddy has had his best days behind him and mentally just doesn’t have what it takes anymore to be a goalie who can lead this team.

This team deflates to the weak goals and Freddy is notorious for those.

 

[Zybalto]

I thought Campbell played well, especially for a goaltender who hasn't played an NHL game since March. He's definitely a calming presence in net and you can see that translate to theteam in front of him.

Yea, need stable goaltending to keep your team focused.

The Leafs were dominating over Ottawa the whole first half of last game too but once the goals kept going in it just sucked the life outta them. With Murray playing so well across the ice, its not just the Leafs this affects, it also pumped up the Sens who were getting absolutely rolled the whole first half.

Sens are really lucky to have Murray. He's gonna keep them in a lot of games this year.

 

[Zybalto]

Since Jan. 1st 2020, 57 goalkeepers have played at least 500 minutes.

Andersen's .894 over that stretch ranks 49th.

Its just not good enough.

 

[Brobust]

Keefe taking indirect shots at Andersen.

That's a direct shot at Andersen and an indirect shot at the rest of the team.

 

[Brobust]

Since Jan. 1st 2020, 57 goalkeepers have played at least 500 minutes.

Andersen's .894 over that stretch ranks 49th.

Its just not good enough.

Over the same period both Rielly and Muzzin missed long stretches. Not defending Andersen, just pointing out that there was a good periods were the two legitimate top 4 d-men were out.

 

[Zybalto]

Over the same period both Rielly and Muzzin missed long stretches. Not defending Andersen, just pointing out that there was a good periods were the two legitimate top 4 d-men were out.

You'd think that was a factor but he also faced fewer shots and scoring chances than he had in previous years. The numbers suggest having those two out affected the offence more than anything.

Looking even deeper into the numbers, his slip in save% is not due to him letting in more "high danger" chances but a steep drop in save % when it came standard scoring chances. I think the eye test confirms that from the past year as shots that he would have had with ease a couple of years ago are now beating him regularly.

I really hope he can get back to form.

 

[TheGreatOne11]

Andersens problem has always been, and continues to be, letting in soft goals when the team needs him most.

Going back to the last play in round and playoffs, the man can handle an onslaught, but give him a tight game and he crumbles.

Yes you can't score 5 goals a game, obviously, but for fudge sakes, he let's in the most UNTIMELY GOALS and the team fears them.

I wish a Belfour was in net for this team, you'd see something special all together.

Hopefully Campbell can come through for us, I just don't see any of the kids being ready yet to take over the mantel.

High hopes for Ian Scott, he's only 22, got a good spark, hopefully one day soon.

Have a good one boys.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

No, but I wouldn't mind if he did.

Why? Campbell was solid tonight but he's a backup, he's not the guy you can start 55-60 times in a normal season.

moving on from Freddy is one thing but you got to bring in somebody because Jack Campbell and Aaron Dell isn't going to gett it done.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Since Jan. 1st 2020, 57 goalkeepers have played at least 500 minutes.

Andersen's .894 over that stretch ranks 49th.

Its just not good enough.

That’s crazy. Didn’t realize it was that bad.

That’s almost Raycroft/Toskala bad.

 

[Dave92]

As expected an average NHL backup provided better goaltending than Andersen. If he was with any other team he'd have lost the starting job by now, like he did in Anaheim.