Post-Game Talk: And that should be the end of the Leafs core

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Emphatically yes. Eichel being out the season is worth the wait. Marner is a f***ing loser and a choke artist in every sense of the word. Imagine getting a superstar like Eichel for this little dweeb? Please, I would do it in a New York minute.

It's a risk I would be willing to take at this point! I mean, can he really play or is he done until his neck gets fixed? at least the Leafs would likely not fight him on the procedure he wants to elect to get done. But is Marner an overpayment? =/ good question.. lol
 
The Leafs are 6 games into an 82 game season. Relax.

6 games into the season!!! That’s the caveat here.

The reality is we are seeing the EXACT SAME storyline song and dance play out from 2-3 years ago. Nothing has changed.

Actually, I take that back, things are changing. The Leafs seem to be getting worse and worse with each passing year
 
6 games into the season!!! That’s the caveat here.

The reality is we are seeing the EXACT SAME storyline song and dance play out from 2-3 years ago. Nothing has changed.

Actually, I take that back, things are changing. The Leafs seem to be getting worse and worse with each passing year

At least we were good in the regular season last years... No we are bad right away.
 
I would looooooove to know what Zeke has to say. Come on Zeke let’s hear it, Dubass is great isn’t he!!!

The reality here is that Dubass has taken a talented team that he inherited and has made it absolutely average. He is by far and away the most pathetic excuse of a GM in hockey and has absolutely destroyed the culture of this team. Pushing sweet sweet Lou out the door looks worse and worse by the f***ing day. The countless mistakes this f***ing fraud piece of shit of a GM we have has made are so bad that it’s honestly nothing short of brilliant at this point. And do you want to know what’s crazier? I bet management hasn’t even at least had a conversation about trading any of the core. I’ve said it in all my previous posts that you can all read. I absolutely f***ing loathe Kyle Dubass with every single inch of my body and I will legitimately throw a party the day this f***ing fraud and Shanascam are dismissed. FIRE DUBASS. FIRE SHANASCAM.

This.

Out of all the damage in the last 50 years, no one had an opportunity as good as Dubas. The day he gave out those contracts was the day this team severely destroyed its chances. He needs to go.
 
It's threads like these that made me want to create an account that was called "The Pendulum" which would just be gifs of a pendulum swinging back and forth with the change in the team's momentum. The point being to demonstrate how irrationally reactionary this fanbase is.

SO MANY people need to CHILL. The Leafs have had many 5-5 type spells between their 15 game lossless streaks, it just so happens this season is starting off with one. It was an embarrassing game, sure, but it's no reason to freak out. Save that for when they're floundering below the 500 mark at the trade deadline.
 
It's threads like these that made me want to create an account that was called "The Pendulum" which would just be gifs of a pendulum swinging back and forth with the change in the team's momentum. The point being to demonstrate how irrationally reactionary this fanbase is.

SO MANY people need to CHILL. The Leafs have had many 5-5 type spells between their 15 game lossless streaks, it just so happens this season is starting off with one. It was an embarrassing game, sure, but it's no reason to freak out. Save that for when they're floundering below the 500 mark at the trade deadline.

That’s not the reality of the Leaf’s situation
 
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Mitch may be right that they know what they did wrong, but it's the same thing they've been doing wrong for years, and neither the players and the coach seem to think it needs fixing.

What is wrong? Let me give it a shot.

Down 7-1 and Liljegen carries the puck through the neutral zone, last man back. Knowing that both Toronto goalies have had a rough night and the game is lost the easy, smart thing to do is just dump it in. No need to be Superman, just keep it simple and avoid any more turnovers that'll make the night even worse for poor Hutch.

But no, he decides to try and deke out two Pens forwards, loses the puck and it's a 2-on-1 against almost making it 8-1.

Less than 2 minutes later Engvall does the same thing in the Leafs zone.

And the response is ... nothing. Unless I'm mistaken, Keefe doesn't bench either player for the rest of the game just to send a message, it's just "oh well." And to me is symptomatic of how broken this team is. They continually make selfish, completely idiotic plays with no accountability. So the bad habits more than just accepted, they are now ingrained in this team.

I'm convinced that Liljegren (or any other Leaf, besides perhaps Spezza and one or two others), would do the exact same thing if they were up 7-1, tied 2-2 or in overtime in a playoff game.

My answer to the problem is simple: Any time, any player makes such a brutal, bonehead play, he's stapled to the bench for at least the rest of the period if not the game. Force the bad habits out until they learn.

If Sheldon has lost the room, it's more than just because of all the f-bombs, it's likely because the players see a total lack of accountability. It's probably too late for Keefe to change that, but when he's fired Dubas needs to find a coach willing to give some tough love or he's gone too.

The time to bench someone for trying to be a one man show was earlier in the game when it wasn't out of reach and Marner did this exact same thing on back to back shifts, both times turning it over. That's who should have been sat for a few shifts. Accountability needs to start at the top, not the bottom. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if Keefe wants them to do this. You kn0w, possession hockey and all.
 
It has nothing to do with the hockey gods, Eichel needs neck surgery. That's why no one is bidding.

The Sabres would take Marner in a heart beat. After the trade, however, Eichel will be off for 3 to 4 months recovering from neck surgery IF the Leafs let him get Artificial Disc Replacement (ADR) and it is successful.

If it is unsuccessful and Eichel is unable to play, the Leafs would be on the hook for the entire $50M - insurance will not cover his salary if Eichel gets ADR.

IF the Leafs insist on fusion, which is the procedure the vast majority of doctors feel is needed, Eichel will be gone for 6 months.

So... Do you still want to trade Marner for Eichel?

"If it is unsuccessful and Eichel is unable to play, the Leafs would be on the hook for the entire $50M - insurance will not cover his salary if Eichel gets ADR."

You're the second person I've seen posting this. Is there any source on this? I've searched quite a bit and can't find anything to back it up. In the public relations war currently going on between the two sides, don't you think the Sabres would have made this very public information?
 
He could also be out six months following neck surgery. If he chooses a different type of surgery, he may never play again. That's a lot of risk.

As long as he doesn't count against the cap, I see no risk at all if he never plays again. The worst case scenario if he's finished is you get Marner's $10.93M of cap space back and try something different. The real danger is if Eichel comes back and isn't the same player because at best you're going get a handful of games to evaluate him before his NMC kicks in next season.

I still like Marner BTW but something needs to change and he's unfortunately the most obvious trade bait (although becoming less so every day that goes by with his current funk).
 
i feel really sorry for jason spezza.

the rest of this team can just go f*** themselves, especially the big three. demanding that kind of money for that kind of effort is disgusting beyond words.

This. Spezza is a golden god in my eyes now. Taking league minimum three years straight over the apparently novel idea of trying to help the club win while putting it all out there on the ice has made him my current favourite Leaf. If you had told me 18 years ago I would say that one day, I would have giggled myself to sleep that night.
 
I’d be ok if we moved on from Marner, Reilly and Holl. Tavares too ideally but I don’t see us getting out of that one.
 
This.

Out of all the damage in the last 50 years, no one had an opportunity as good as Dubas. The day he gave out those contracts was the day this team severely destroyed its chances. He needs to go.

There are multiple major gaffes on managements part.

  • Back breaking contracts.
  • Not accurately assessing where the team is, over estimating their competitive level.
  • Not drafting well enough to compliment the core.
  • Keeping pending UFA's as own rentals.
  • Not assessing the UFA market appropriately.
  • Building a team that is way too biased towards offence.
  • Building a team with no compete, teams know if you outwork the Leafs you will beat them.
  • Trading assets for playoff run that are ineffective.
  • Being so full of yourself that you are incapable of correcting your mistakes.
  • I'm sure there are more.
 
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