Proposal: ANA/WPG: Lindholm for Trouba

[Legend123]

Arrrgggghhhh. Go look it up. They are not by far better.

I alrdy did, how about u check it up and dont say, after realizing u screwed up, oh Hero charts are messed up, you cant actually judge by that...

Not only does he have better advanced numbers, he's a lot more offensive and better defensively. Im not even sure Trouba gets you Vatanen, you gotta ask Ducks fans on their opinion.

 

[Legend123]

The difference between the 2 is not a top prospect like Laine, Connor or even Ehlers. Petan at the most IMO. Unless Anaheim wants a '17 2nd instead.

the difference b/w Lindholm and Trouba is not a top prospect like Laine, I agree. But The difference is alot more than Petan. I would say its Ehlers (unlikely) or Connor (more likely).

 

[Avs44]

There is zero reason for the Ducks to consider this. OP, you are thinking purely from a Jets-centric perspective. You are having trouble signing Trouba, already have Byfuglien and Myers on the right side, so naturally you'd love it if you could swap Trouba for a clearly better defensman who plays on the left side. However, from Anaheim's perspective:

- There is zero reason to downgrade from Lindholm to Trouba, and it absolutely is a downgrade, and, in my opinion, a very significant one. Lindholm finished the last half of the year and the playoffs basically playing as a genuine #1 defensman. I'm not a fan of either team...if you asked me who I would rather have, it is Lindholm, and it's not even a debate right now.
- If they can't sign Lindholm, which is the sole reason he would ever be available, why would Anaheim want another contract problem coming right back? It's not as if Anaheim even needs a right shot defender. If this trade went down, they still have a ton of problems (so likely Despres if not Fowler still have to go, both LD), and Anaheim already has Manson and Vatanen on their right side.
- If Anaheim is trading a young near #1 defensman, pretty much one of the most valuable commodities in the league, why are they not addressing their current biggest need; a top LW? Your untouchable list becomes pretty ridiculous to me in that light.


It's a very poorly thought out proposal. It basically seems to be a Jets fans' wet dream and banging a square peg into a round hole for Anaheim. Any attempts to justify it for Anaheim without them also getting a massive addition (Ehlers) are pretty much also inherently ridiculous. No, I'm not going to get into the debate of "but he's only a little better, he's not worth that much more!" There simply is zero reason for Anaheim to even consider this otherwise, and if you can't see that, I'm not going to bother trying.

 

[Avs44]

The funny thing about this thread is thinking that Lindholm or Trouba are number 1 d men. There not.

Don't worry, nobody in their right mind is going to confuse Trouba with a #1 defensman.

 

[Legend123]

Don't worry, nobody in their right mind is going to confuse Trouba with a #1 defensman.

u would think...

 

[snipes]

If ANA really wanted to move Lindholm, a deal around Klefbom + for Lindholm would be more palatable (divisional rival considerations notwithstanding). Klefbom is at least locked down to a favourable contract in terms of $$ and term.

If they are having a hard time with Lindholm and reaching a contract, how is Trouba any better?

Lindholm is staying put.

 

[TaketheCannoli]

So I think that Trouba for Lindholm is a pretty good frame work for a deal between the two teams, and Lindholm is one of the few available players that I would consider trading Trouba for.

I'm expecting an overwhelming response from Anaheim fans saying that they want some blue chip prospect along with Trouba to get Lindholm because he is just so much better.

Well, he's not...so let's keep this civil and try to understand that the two players are very comparable on terms of value and it is highly debatable which one will actually turn out to be the better defenseman.

So...let's make a deal.


Untouchable's from WPG: Ehlers, Connor, Laine, Morrissey, most roster players.


ANNNNNDDDDDDDDD GO!

Please explain why either team does this? Winnipeg fans have made it clear they have no concerns about re-signing Trouba. Why would you want to trade him for someone you claim is no better? There is always a risk that Lindholm doesn't fit in Winnipeg. Why would the Jets take that risk?

Anaheim doesn't know enough about Trouba to be sure they can strike a deal with him. If you are correct that they are equal players why would the Ducks take that risk?

 

[go4hockey]

The difference between the 2 is not a top prospect like Laine, Connor or even Ehlers. Petan at the most IMO. Unless Anaheim wants a '17 2nd instead.

The difference between the two players is more than a 2nd or Petan in my eyes. If I was running the Ducks the add would have to be someone like Conner or Ehlers to get me to think about it. If the add is a 2nd or Petan then the trade talks would be over.

 

[Brock Radunske]

So I think that Trouba for Lindholm is a pretty good frame work for a deal between the two teams, and Lindholm is one of the few available players that I would consider trading Trouba for.

I'm expecting an overwhelming response from Anaheim fans saying that they want some blue chip prospect along with Trouba to get Lindholm because he is just so much better.

Well, he's not...so let's keep this civil and try to understand that the two players are very comparable on terms of value and it is highly debatable which one will actually turn out to be the better defenseman.

So...let's make a deal.


Untouchable's from WPG: Ehlers, Connor, Laine, Morrissey, most roster players.


ANNNNNDDDDDDDDD GO!

Trouba + Connor for Lindholm, Stoner, 2nd

 

[mondo3]

There's absolutely no reason for us to make this trade.

Unless both players don't want to play for their respective teams.

If Trouba would prefer to sit out, then Wpg might be motivated to trade him in a deal in which they don't "win" the trade.
I recently read that Lindholm called the ducks "cheap" so there's the possibility he might want out. So while Wpg fans think that Trouba = Lindholm and Ana fans think that Lindholm > Trouba, perhaps some sort of deal with some kind of add on Wpg's side work, or as a previous poster mentioned, Wpg could also pickup a bad Ana contract in the trade.
To me the add is the tricky part, as Ana fans wants it to be an "A" forward like Ehlers or an "A" prospect like "Conner" but Wpg fans think it should be a "B" player like Lowry or a "B" prospect like Petan.

 

[Nordic*]

Lindholm & Rakell for Trouba & Ehlers.

I'd do that trade.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Lindholm and Trouba are very comparable. L only outscored T by 7 points with playing more pp time on the top ranked pp on the league. T actually outscored L at even strength this past season.

And they say Winnipeg fans over rate their players.

Lindholm vs. Trouba
2013-14 78 games 6 goals 24 assists 4 PPP 30 points +29 vs. 65 games 10 goals 19 assists 3 PPP 29 points +4
2014-15 78 games 7 goals 27 assists 6 PPP 34 points +25 vs. 65 games 7 goals 15 assists 6 PPP 22 points +2
2015-16 80 games 10 goals 18 assists 15PPP 28 points +7 vs. 81 games 6 goals 15 assists 4 PPP 21 points +10
Games 236 vs. 211
Goals 23 vs. 23
Assists 69 vs. 49
Points 92 vs. 72
+/- 61 vs. 16

2013-14 Trouba had a better points per game average and Trouba had 1 less power play point.

2014-15 Lindholm had a better points per game average and both had 6 power play points.

2015-16 Lindholm had a better points per game average. Lindholm did have a lot more power play points true but power play points are still important to a team winning. Outside of the power play Lindholm offensive numbers struggled because we had hard time scoring while Lindholm was on the ice through no fault of his own had the Ducks not been so bad he would of had a career high in points.

Lindholm is better defensively while having better point per game averages. Trouba offensive numbers has dropped with each passing season. Not trading Lindholm for Trouba.

Lindholm is swedish so on HFboards that automatically makes him better then any player you are talking about

Lindholm being Swedish has nothing to do with anything.

 

[Flair Hay]

Jets have a reason to try this if Trouba isn't playing ball in contract talks.

What possible reason is there for the Ducks to trade the guy they drafted higher that has performed every bit as good or better?

 

[nostalrius]

I think these two teams make good trading partners and this is a solid framework deal for both sides (WPG gets their LHD and ANA gets their RHD). Lindholm has more value than Trouba, but I don't think the add would be as insane as Ducks fans are suggesting. Trouba + 2017 1st/2nd would be enough to get it done IMO.

 

[Ducks in a row]

I think these two teams make good trading partners and this is a solid framework deal for both sides (WPG gets their LHD and ANA gets their RHD). Lindholm has more value than Trouba, but I don't think the add would be as insane as Ducks fans are suggesting. Trouba + 2017 1st/2nd would be enough to get it done IMO.

Ducks are a win now team we want to win now so downgrading from Lindholm to Trouba will require a good + that helps us in the here and now not possibly years from now which picks will do assuming the player drafted with such pick doesn't bust.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Jets would have to add a significant piece.

Seems like the longer this Trouba situation is going, the more overrated he is becoming. Sure he's a good player, but I have to admit that he is slowly becoming overrated imo

 

[snipes]

I think these two teams make good trading partners and this is a solid framework deal for both sides (WPG gets their LHD and ANA gets their RHD). Lindholm has more value than Trouba, but I don't think the add would be as insane as Ducks fans are suggesting. Trouba + 2017 1st/2nd would be enough to get it done IMO.

But ANA is still in their window period and it's not going to be open for much longer.

They would end up with a magic bean and the lesser player who will be making the same amount of money. I don't see how they are ahead when they are in "win now" mode.

Trouba's contract demands are a major detriment to him and his value. Nothing to do with his play, he's a good young Dman.

 

[Paradise*]

The difference between the two players is more than a 2nd or Petan in my eyes. If I was running the Ducks the add would have to be someone like Conner or Ehlers to get me to think about it. If the add is a 2nd or Petan then the trade talks would be over.

It's good we have opinions.

 

[jacks*]

Why would the Duck do this? The Jets better be adding something very good for the Ducks to downgrade that much.
Lindholm is easily the Superior player.

One for one would be a terrible deal for the Ducks.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Finally. It's about time we had a Trouba proposal on these boards!

 

[dracom]

Love the untouchable list. We want your most import player for our worse player who would want more money, so let's trade but you can't have anything good along with Trouba besides picks that your team doesn't need.

The only reason you or other Jets fans would want to trade Trouba for Lindholm is because Lindholm is the better player now and most likely in the future. We're keeping Lindholm. End of story.

 

[dracom]

If ANA really wanted to move Lindholm, a deal around Klefbom + for Lindholm would be more palatable (divisional rival considerations notwithstanding). Klefbom is at least locked down to a favourable contract in terms of $$ and term.

If they are having a hard time with Lindholm and reaching a contract, how is Trouba any better?

Lindholm is staying put.

Much rather make a Trouba deal than giving the Oilers a player like Lindholm. With McDavid on that team, don't expect other teams to give really good pieces without you giving up something better in return (Hall for Larsson).

 

[ShLou Foot]

The funny thing about this thread is thinking that Lindholm or Trouba are number 1 d men. There not.

They+are=they're
When speaking of an object or a place.....there...

 

[Saidin]

Love the untouchable list. We want your most import player for our worse player who would want more money, so let's trade but you can't have anything good along with Trouba besides picks that your team doesn't need.

The only reason you or other Jets fans would want to trade Trouba for Lindholm is because Lindholm is the better player now and most likely in the future. We're keeping Lindholm. End of story.

I agree that Lindholm is better and there's no point in trading him without a significant add from the Jets (Trouba +). But when I hear that people think he wants more money than Lindholm I laugh... Both of these players are in the same boat, you, me, every analyst don't know what either of them want.

 

[Homesick]

Unless both players don't want to play for their respective teams.

If Trouba would prefer to sit out, then Wpg might be motivated to trade him in a deal in which they don't "win" the trade.
I recently read that Lindholm called the ducks "cheap" so there's the possibility he might want out. So while Wpg fans think that Trouba = Lindholm and Ana fans think that Lindholm > Trouba, perhaps some sort of deal with some kind of add on Wpg's side work, or as a previous poster mentioned, Wpg could also pickup a bad Ana contract in the trade.
To me the add is the tricky part, as Ana fans wants it to be an "A" forward like Ehlers or an "A" prospect like "Conner" but Wpg fans think it should be a "B" player like Lowry or a "B" prospect like Petan.

Its 29 other fan bases that know Lindholm is better than Trouba