Confirmed Trade: [ANA/VGK] Evgenii Dadonov, cond. 2023/24 2nd round pick for John Moore, Ryan Kesler [OFFICIALLY VOIDED]

[SomeDude]

WHO'S YOUR DAD-Y

They should have had Dadonov's real team revealed on the Maury Povich show.

 

[John Strachan]

No, I'm making it sound like it would be a waste of time to negotiate a deal that had a 0% chance of going through. If a player has a NTC and has no intention of waiving it, why waste the time? I'm guessing most of those 80%+ deals that fall through could have been completed if the organizations agreed. I'm guessing if a player usually has a NTC, the team asks if they might be willing to waive it if there is a deal agreed to. Do you get the difference?

There have been plenty of instances where GMs have pursued players on NTCs and NMCs even though there is 0% chance of it going through. It’s the job of the GM to pursue every avenue available to improve his team. If he makes a value judgement that a deal “isn’t worth pursuing because it may not happen” I wouldn’t want him as my GM.

 

[inthewings]

We're probably never going to find out what caused this debacle.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

If he was traded today could he play the rest of the season i know he's not eleigable for playoffs but what about the season.

He cannot play at all until next season.

 

[John Strachan]

Regarding more to keep this from happing, it wouldn't surprise me for the league to implement a process where modified NTCs have some paperwork/form that's signed by both the team and the player/agent that has to be submitted with the trade as part of a "A trade is good with the M-NTC clause under these circumstances" setup.

This is exactly what happened in the Ottawa-VGK deal. There was nothing in the m-NTC clause of Dadanov’s contract that trading him from Ottawa to Vegas was a problem since they weren’t on the list.

 

[JasonDemersWasOkay]

So the Knights already don't really have any more first rounders or top end prospects, but are probably going to have to come up with some to trade with Dadanov to get cap compliant? Would they really trade their 2024 first rounder and lose even more depth?

They can't trade their 2023 first since its a conditional piece of the Eichel trade right? You can't waive Dadanov because no one will claim him. It'll be super interesting to see what VGK does

 

[John Strachan]

And? The beauty of sports is you never know what is going to happen. Maybe Neal goes the next 30 games and doesn't score a goal or gets hurt and can't play, maybe Lucic goes on a heater and closes the gap on the other condition of being within 10 goals. To bust out a calculator at the end of that season and award a pick when the conditions of the trade aren't met is outrageous. Was there a 'world wide pandemic' condition explicitly stated in the trade that if the season gets cancelled then the stats will be prorated? It was and is an absolute farce that the NHL awarded that pick, it's as simple as that. Presumably NHL teams make deals like this because more goals means better chance at the playoffs and more revenue. What are you paying for if the explicit conditions are not met?

Actually almost every contract has a force majeur clause in it Force Majeur Considering games were cancelled last season due to a once in a century pandemic that led to cancellation of public events beyond the team and league control, this does make it very valid. It wasn’t the fault of the player or the clubs and there was no injury that prevented Neal from playing. Based upon percentages, Neal fulfilled that clause.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Sounds like Ottawa caused it.

Here's part of an article from a site called Daily Faceoff:
On July 28, 2021, Dadonov was traded by Ottawa to the Vegas Golden Knights, a permissible trade because Vegas was not on his no-trade list. As part of the trade call to approve that transaction, the NHL would have required Ottawa to produce written proof that Vegas was not named on Dadonov’s no-trade list, or alternatively, a written consent from Dadonov agreeing to the trade. Since the trade was approved, Ottawa must have provided the list. Usual practice would have been for Ottawa to forward a copy of the list to the Knights, as it would apply going forward for the balance of the term of Dadonov’s contract

It certainly seems the league office and Vegas knew an NTC clause was in place.

Well that blows the theory out of the water that Ottawa is mainly to blame. Somewhere along the line there was a communication breakdown, but now it looks like it was a misunderstanding between the NHL & Vegas. Or Vegas just screwed up.

 

[John Strachan]

Then every single conditional pick that year should’ve also been retconned to align with an imaginary set of games that were never played. It never made sense, and one of Holland’s biggest failings IMO was not fighting tooth and nail for that pick. Instead, the old man rolled over like he has any other time a moderately difficult situation has presented itself (Nurse negotiations, Keith trade, goalie upgrade, etc.)

If GMs really thought they had a case I would have expected them to ask the league for consideration, especially after they saw what happened to the Neal deal. Either they figured it wasn’t worthwhile or they didn’t have a case.

 

[CupInSIX]

We're probably never going to find out what caused this debacle.

As far as the NHL is concerned, we know too much already.

 

[Steerpike]

...Or that it had expired. Which submitting an old list would lead one to believe. He goes over it in the latest 32 thoughts podcast. I don't think he knows why they were led to believe that and only has theories as to why. Again the NHL should be verifying that information.

Dude, I bet the agent sent in the same list of teams. The person who was responsible for filing it looked at it, saw the list didn't change, and then concluded that he could just leave the old list in the internal Sens database. Someone else then looked at the date of the list and realized it had expired.

And then no one at the Sens set out to confirm that assumption.

And then the Sens sent along his paperwork either with an expired list, or no list at all.

 

[JoeSakic13]

We're probably never going to find out what caused this debacle.

 

[BondraTime]

Well that blows the theory out of the water that Ottawa is mainly to blame. Somewhere along the line there was a communication breakdown, but now it looks like it was a misunderstanding between the NHL & Vegas. Or Vegas just screwed up.

That isn’t what happened. That’s a former assistant GM explaining how the trade process works in trades that go through and and are approved by the league, he has zero information on the inner working of this trade. He’s discussing the process the league goes through to make trades legal: This never happened in this trade obviously, as they left without a trade list, and believed the trade list to be void.

If the full article was posted it clearly states that this former assistant GM was unsure what happened, whether Vegas was led to believe the clause was voided, etc.

Gear: How Dadonov-Gate happened and how to prevent it going forward - Daily Faceoff

What missteps got Evgenii Dadonov traded to a team on his no-trade list?

www.dailyfaceoff.com

 

[Breakers]

 

[John Strachan]

I would honestly have to go digging. I recall some back in the 80's - 00's. The most common reason was one of the teams later found out a player they traded for was injured or more injured then they thought.

I am sure there is something newer but back in 2011, Colin Fraser was traded from Edmonton to LA and was found to have an unhealed foot fracture that could have voided the deal. Lombardi instead worked out other compensation from Edmonton, but the deal could have been invalidated long after it was done.

Colin Fraser trade

 

[MMC]

 

[John Strachan]

That isn’t what happened. That’s a former assistant GM explaining how the trade process works in trades that go through and and are approved by the league, he has zero information on the inner working of this trade. He’s discussing the process the league goes through to make trades legal: This never happened in this trade obviously, as they left without a trade list, and believed the trade list to be void.

If the full article was posted it clearly states that this former assistant GM was unsure what happened.

Gear: How Dadonov-Gate happened and how to prevent it going forward - Daily Faceoff

What missteps got Evgenii Dadonov traded to a team on his no-trade list?

www.dailyfaceoff.com

Fine, but can you please explain to me how you submit written proof over a phonecall?

 

[BondraTime]

Fine, but can you please explain to me how you submit written proof over a phonecall?

Pretty simply send an email or scan while talking to them?

 

[Mr Positive]

Did the Senators even confirm that the Vegas accusations are true? Did the league prove it?

 

[John Strachan]

Dadonov, after getting traded (for real), then being loaned out to Europe for the rest of the year:

"I get 2 paychecks this way."

Bloody well should

European leagues are shorter than the NHL and they have the same restrictions limiting new contracts before the start of playoffs. I doubt there is anywhere in Europe they could assign him to. Plus the situation in Europe is not particularly conducive to a player wanting to go there at this point.

 

[JKG33]

So what punishment is Ottawa going to receive?

 

[CupInSIX]

European leagues are shorter than the NHL and they have the same restrictions limiting new contracts before the start of playoffs. I doubt there is anywhere in Europe they could assign him to. Plus the situation in Europe is not particularly conducive to a player wanting to go there at this point.

Where would he play?

 

[BUCKLE UP]

So what punishment is Ottawa going to receive?

Having Dorion and Melnyk is punishment enough.

 

[CupInSIX]

Nope.

Ironic username?

 

[Korpse]

Dude, I bet the agent sent in the same list of teams. The person who was responsible for filing it looked at it, saw the list didn't change, and then concluded that he could just leave the old list in the internal Sens database. Someone else then looked at the date of the list and realized it had expired.

And then no one at the Sens set out to confirm that assumption.

And then the Sens sent along his paperwork either with an expired list, or no list at all.

It's possible. I do find it odd that the league wouldn't follow up the submission of an old list or a claim that a list wasn't submitted in time. You would think that voiding a section of a contract would require some due diligence from the league but it doesn't appear to have happened in this case.