Confirmed Trade: [ANA/VGK] Evgenii Dadonov, cond. 2023/24 2nd round pick for John Moore, Ryan Kesler [OFFICIALLY VOIDED]

[TheNumber4]

Vegas f***ed up. But just how badly? How much cap was the trade supposed to open up for them and what would they have used it for?

 

[ManofSteel55]

LV is going to put a Dadonov jersey on Stone and make him cut his hair.

I wouldn't put it past them at this point.

 

[CupInSIX]

LV is going to put a Dadonov jersey on Stone and make him cut his hair.

That's the real tragedy in all of this.

 

[Korpse]

According to what Friedman said, Vegas and the NHL was led to believe that Dadonov did not submit his NTC correctly/in time by Ottawa.

...Or that it had expired. Which submitting an old list would lead one to believe. He goes over it in the latest 32 thoughts podcast. I don't think he knows why they were led to believe that and only has theories as to why. Again the NHL should be verifying that information.

 

[Ciao]

Gotta be awkward for Dadanov and Moore now

It's not the first time that a trade has been announced and then fallen apart. Players deal with it -- it's a job like any other.

Sometimes union members get fired and make a successful grievance for reinstatement. I'm going to continue to work for you even it you don't want me. That's a job too -- and probably a good one.

 

[John Strachan]

I think they do.. Time waisted on a trade that didnt go through.. They could have had other options but because of Vegas Negligence.. They are being caused damage.. If vegas knew about the NTC.. and they didnt disclose it to Ana than thats just wrong..

Wrong but not out of compliance. There are plenty of GMs in the league that try to pull shenanigans and game the other GMs when doing deals. They are usually the GMs of teams that have difficulties in moving players because other GMs don’t trust them. This isn’t kindergarten, some people will take every competitive edge they can get.

 

[DueDiligence]

They literally did represent Dadonov when they were trading him.

I have no clue how people in here are trying to paint the Senators as innocent here. Saying "we f***ed up, but it's your fault for not catching it" is just asinine.

Here's part of an article from a site called Daily Faceoff:
On July 28, 2021, Dadonov was traded by Ottawa to the Vegas Golden Knights, a permissible trade because Vegas was not on his no-trade list. As part of the trade call to approve that transaction, the NHL would have required Ottawa to produce written proof that Vegas was not named on Dadonov’s no-trade list, or alternatively, a written consent from Dadonov agreeing to the trade. Since the trade was approved, Ottawa must have provided the list. Usual practice would have been for Ottawa to forward a copy of the list to the Knights, as it would apply going forward for the balance of the term of Dadonov’s contract

It certainly seems the league office and Vegas knew an NTC clause was in place.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Vegas f***ed up. But just how badly? How much cap was the trade supposed to open up for them and what would they have used it for?

I may be wrong, but they would have opened up $5M in space as Moore is on LTIR. Vegas may have had to put someone else on LTIR to activate Stone. I wonder if that's why there were rumours about Reilly Smith being available. A Dadonov trade and Smith trade would have opened up 10M, enough to activate Stone. I bet he sits on LTIR until the playoffs now.

 

[Vukotal Recall]

 

[MMC]

 

[Mattb124]

VGK signing Tonya Harding to a 1-day contract - E5

 

[DueDiligence]

Is there a lien on that used car I'm buying from you?

Oh, no. There is no lien. It wasn't filed properly.

Okay, I'm good with that

You know used car dealers are much more reputable than NHL teams!

 

[redcard]

Gotta be awkward for Dadanov and Moore now

I can't see it being all that awkward for Moore, given that he's never actually played for the ducks and was being traded to a team with better playoff chances.

Dadonov, however.......yeesh.

 

[Breakers]

I'm more devastated than Anybody by this news

 

[BondraTime]

Here's part of an article from a site called Daily Faceoff:
On July 28, 2021, Dadonov was traded by Ottawa to the Vegas Golden Knights, a permissible trade because Vegas was not on his no-trade list. As part of the trade call to approve that transaction, the NHL would have required Ottawa to produce written proof that Vegas was not named on Dadonov’s no-trade list, or alternatively, a written consent from Dadonov agreeing to the trade. Since the trade was approved, Ottawa must have provided the list. Usual practice would have been for Ottawa to forward a copy of the list to the Knights, as it would apply going forward for the balance of the term of Dadonov’s contract

It certainly seems the league office and Vegas knew an NTC clause was in place.

The issue here is that apparently Ottawa did not, and the NTC was thought to be void, thus making an exchange of the list unnecessary as it was believed to be void.

The above is a description of how a trade that is done correctly and works out is done. That’s a former Assistant GM describing how the NHL processes trades, and the steps they take during the process. This is a trade that did not go as it was supposed too, IE there were documents and or steps that did not happen as they are supposed to, which resulted in incomplete documentation and information.

 

[DueDiligence]

Because Dorion screwed something up during their trade call & NHL central registry were confused as well.

Nope.

 

[Fatass]

Sounds like Ottawa caused it.

What's written, as opposed to what's spoken, is binding. The NTC was filed on time and on record. Vegas is totally responsible for their players.

 

[John Strachan]

Can't speak for him or anyone else but I believe we deserve compensation for the league f***ing up and approving a trade for us that was illegal. If there was no team announcement and it just got leaked by the media then I wouldn't think we do

Let’s get this straight - the league states that it has the right to reverse a “deal” if it finds there are problematic issues after the fact. The approval over the phone call is pretty much just a way to make sure the deal gets in under the deadline and that the major parts of the deal are agreed to by all parties involved. I doubt the teams are going to get their legal teams to write up the full contract unless they think there is a good chance it will pass. And legally, I’ll bet that no deals are binding until the trade agreement and all pertinent documents are submitted and approved IN WRITING by the league office of compliance.

Perhaps the Ducks were inconvenienced by the deal being cancelled, but considering they didn’t even try to register the deal with the league until right before the deadline (thereby not leaving any other options open) what other deal could they have pursued?

Important to note that the phone call was only implemented after the Nordiques negotiated deals with 2 clubs for Eric Lindros and Marcel Aubut accepted both offers. The call is to confirm the parameters of a trade and that it complies with the conditions of the CBA, no transaction is complete until the paperwork is submitted and signed by all parties.

 

[Auston Marlander]

I don't see how anyone can argue against the trade being reversed. The ducks were on the NTC that he provided on time. I see no grey area here.

Edit: The trade has been invalidated

 

[Garavar]

That's the real tragedy in all of this.

Stones hair being a casualty?

 

[Ciao]

Sounds like Ottawa caused it.

So, on the trade call Ottawa says a no-trade list was filed but it was expired or hadn't been filed on time, and no one asked the player's agent to confirm that?

They know there is a limited NTC in the contract. Apparently they know that a no-trade list of some sort had been filed at some time. They know that Ottawa thinks the no-trade list is not valid. They apparently don't know whether the player's agent thinks the no-trade list is valid. They complete the trade without asking the agent's position on the NTC, and that's Ottawa's fault?

If those were the facts, then Ottawa told them what they knew and their opinion on the validity of the NTC. Their opinion was wrong. Big deal. The NHL and/or Vegas could and should have made further enquiries to satisfy themselves as to whether the agent agreed with those facts and that opinion.

There was an issue, and they turned a blind eye.

 

[Mattb124]

More like: The Vegas Golden Knights recognize the league’s decision and welcome Evgenii back to our club (so we can get right to work figuring out another way to get rid of him)

 

[Steerpike]

I think it would have to be retention. I'm no expert, but I don't think you can pay cash to close deals anymore. No more Wayne-Gretkzy sales events.

What role do you think Ryan Kessler was playing here?

 

[Ciao]

You know used car dealers are much more reputable than NHL teams!

Well, in most jurisdictions there is special legislation dealing with used car dealers that amply support @Empoleon8771 's statement which is perfectly correct and true.

It was a bad example.

However, used-car-dealer legislation does not apply to the NHL, and the general law of contracts including the doctrine of merger would normally apply. See my post on merger, above, if you care to bore yourself to tears.

 

[jellybeans]

If he was traded today could he play the rest of the season i know he's not eleigable for playoffs but what about the season.