Confirmed Trade: [ANA/VGK] Evgenii Dadonov, cond. 2023/24 2nd round pick for John Moore, Ryan Kesler [OFFICIALLY VOIDED]

[MMC]

 

[Empoleon8771]

This part remains unclear. Nobody has clarified why Vegas and the NHL believed the NTC was void. Did Ottawa submit an old no-trade list being unaware it was not the up to date list? Did Ottawa suggest the new no-trade list was not submitted? Either way it's clear the NHL has no process to verify that information, which is a problem.

According to what Friedman said, Vegas and the NHL was led to believe that Dadonov did not submit his NTC correctly/in time by Ottawa.

 

[John Strachan]

Completely false. This deal didn't fall through. It was done and approved by the NHL. Please tell me when this has ever happened where a deal is approved by the NHL and then voided 3 days later?

Guess you aren’t paying attention. There are usually a couple every year. Like this contract that was voided. NHL voids Blue Jackets' deal with Mikhail Grigorenko due to CBA rules - Sportsnet.ca

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

The agent represents the player. The statement of the agent is legally binding on the player.

Maybe being in Europe I have less trust of agents due to football, but the word of an agent doesn't mean as much compared to the written word of organisation to me. Hypothetical of course, but if Ottawa was to have stated he missed the deadline for submitting a list, it would be no surprise if an agent tried to suggest they did not when discussing it with the new team.

 

[MMC]

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

And if they did ask -- as they may have -- but got the wrong answer, Ottawa says "Oh, sorry. We made a mistake. We don't represent Dadanov. Why didn't you ask his agent?"

Can’t imagine someone working in a bureaucratic role in Ottawa making a mistake without getting a promotion.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Sounds like they're just not trading him then and they'll just keep Martinez on LTIR for the rest of the year.

 

[Ciao]

According to what Friedman said, Vegas and the NHL was led to believe that Dadonov did not submit his NTC correctly/in time by Ottawa.

Is there a lien on that used car I'm buying from you?

Oh, no. There is no lien. It wasn't filed properly.

Okay, I'm good with that

 

[Empoleon8771]

Is there a lien on that used car I'm buying from you?

Oh, no. There is no lien. It wasn't filed properly.

Okay, I'm good with that

If you buy a car from a dealership and the dealership claims there is no lien on the car, and it turns out there is a lien on the car and you lose the car, you can absolutely sue the dealership for that.

 

[BondraTime]

It’s astonishing after 48 hours people are still confused as to what Capfriendly has as being an accurate description of things.

CapFriendly knows the contract has a NTC, that was written into the contract at the time of signing.

CapFriendly has zero idea on who is on a trade list, whether a trade list was submitted on time, whether one was voided. They still have a NTC for Berglund, even though we know it was voided and he was traded without one. Using CapFriendly he shouldn’t be able to be traded, but alas, in the real world, other factors come into play other than a known clause put in place years ago when the contract was signed.

 

[MMC]

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Maybe being in Europe I have less trust of agents due to football, but the word of an agent doesn't mean as much compared to the written word of organisation to me. Hypothetical of course, but if Ottawa was to have stated he missed the deadline for submitting a list, it would be no surprise if an agent tried to suggest they did not when discussing it with the new team.

True, Football agents in Europe are more primarily concerned with scoring coke, women, and sneaker deals. In the NHL that’s more the asst equipment manager and agents have a real legal job to do.

 

[John Strachan]

Since this whole thread has been speculative, let me go out on a ledge - I wonder if it is possible that the 10 team list actually was included in the final approved paper contract that got transferred from Ottawa to LGK, but because of the misunderstanding during the phone call, VGK thought it was invalid so they just disregarded the document.

That would certainly explain a lot (Including why the whole thing took so long to sort out) and why you should always review contracts carefully and question any part that looks wrong even if you are sure you know the answer. (Due diligence.)

 

[Brazen331]

If Ottawa misrepresented Dadanov’s status on the trade call with Vegas and the league, doesn’t that constitute fraud?

You can say that Vegas and the NHL should have looked at Capfriendly or wherever, but you shouldn’t be absolved of you misdeeds because the other parties might be stupid.

Maybe the NHL should penalize Ottawa so something like this does not happen again?

 

[DueDiligence]

I think it was fairly obvious that the Dadonov trade to Anaheim would get vetoed. As soon as it came out that Dadonov correctly submitted his NTC to Ottawa, it was insanely cut and dry.

The interesting thing to come out of this is what happens with Ottawa for causing this confusion to begin with and what remedies the NHL will give Vegas for the situation.

Did Ottawa cause this or Vegas misinterpret it and screw it up?

 

[JetsFan815]

I read this tweet with the Curb Your Enthusiasm music playing in the background in my head

 

[Transplanted Caper]

VGK is a goat rodeo inside a tornado. They're lucky they have a lot of other things going for them in that market.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Did Ottawa cause this or Vegas misinterpret it and screw it up?

Sounds like Ottawa caused it.

 

[Vukotal Recall]

"Recognize the league's decision" lol more like "are forced to accept our own massive f**k-up"

 

[snowkiddin]

Gotta be awkward for Dadanov and Moore now

 

[Ciao]

Maybe being in Europe I have less trust of agents due to football, but the word of an agent doesn't mean as much compared to the written word of organisation to me. Hypothetical of course, but if Ottawa was to have stated he missed the deadline for submitting a list, it would be no surprise if an agent tried to suggest they did not when discussing it with the new team.

The bolded part is probably closer to the truth here.

It may have been that Ottawa and Vegas did discuss a no-trade list; that Ottawa advised Vegas that a no-trade list was not in effect because in their view it wasn't filed on time; and Vegas left it there without making enquiries of the agent.

If they had made enquiries of the agent, they would probably have learned the same facts that caused the NHL to determine that the no-trade list was valid and binding.

If that were the case, then Vegas would have turned a blind eye at their own peril.

Neither of us have any way of knowing exactly what did happen, but in any case Vegas dropped the ball. Whether the agent is truthful or not, if he confirms that there is no no-trade clause then that is legally binding on the player. If Vegas did not ask the agent, then the statements of a team are not capable of compromising the player's rights.

 

[Garavar]

LV is going to put a Dadonov jersey on Stone and make him cut his hair.

 

[Ciao]

If you buy a car from a dealership and the dealership claims there is no lien on the car, and it turns out there is a lien on the car and you lose the car, you can absolutely sue the dealership for that.

That's true.

 

[Vukotal Recall]

WHO'S YOUR DAD-Y

 

[CupInSIX]

I knew Dadonov had a NTC, how did the Knights not know?

Because Dorion screwed something up during their trade call & NHL central registry were confused as well.