Joeyjoejoe
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NHL got no one to blame but themselves, they are the ones that approve trades and they initially approved this one without due diligence.
Confirmed Trade: [ANA/VGK] Evgenii Dadonov, cond. 2023/24 2nd round pick for John Moore, Ryan Kesler [OFFICIALLY VOIDED]
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MMC
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I'm not sure why you are assuming such a system couldn't be designed to protect this information from other GMs. The point is that if the league wants (or in this case, needs) to rule on a situation in a timely manner they will have the complete and up-to-date information on file at Central Registry to be able to deal with this effectively in a matter of minutes instead of days. The GM that holds the contract will be the only one to know the details, and there should be consequences for teams whose GMs send deals to Central Registry with violations of the players' contractual rights known to them at the time.
Oh, I hope those two come back and Vegas has to forfeit games and don't make playoffs. I can't remember a team ever having to forfeit a game, I think it would be funny for Vegas to be the... first? At least the first in a long time?
Terry Yake
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why is verbeek supposed to know about anaheim being on dadonov's NTC when his own team apparently didn't know about it? that's on vegas and the league, not verbeek
Ziggy Stardust
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At the very least, we can finally put to bed the silly conspiracy theories that the league was giving Vegas preferential treatment after they voided this trade. It is fun to watch them try to perform cap gymnastics now.
It would be pretty easy to have a system like that. Our school uses a system where only certain people have access to files on a student's record. Same thing could be used on an NHL system. Make certain things that are public knowledge visible to everyone (contract length, cap hit, NTC/NMC, etc.) and hide things you may want to send to other teams just prior to or after trades. Can't imagine a system like that costs much relative to the income of the NHL.
Verbeek should read the player's contract before he completes the trade.
If there is a special clause in the contract, such as a modified no-trade clause, Verbeek should ask for a copy of the no-trade list.
If Vegas says there is no no-trade list, then Verbeek should say then please give me written confirmation of that from the player's agent. I know what you're telling me, but it doesn't sound right and there might be some mistake. I can't count on what you're saying, and I need to be sure.
I'm a lawyer, and I've been having conversations like that on behalf of my clients almost every day for the past 36 years. You just don't take someone's word for it when it comes to third-party rights.
Vegas should have done the same as well.
MXD
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In before Dadonov plus 2 first rounders for Shea Weber
This would probably put Montreal over the cap for next season (sadly).
If Anaheim is on the NTC, I’ll bet Vancouver is on it as well. It seems like a tax thing with Dadonov.
MXD
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Their only option(s) left are to trade a guy or two, with picks, to a non-playoff team, right? Given all the implications that come from a post-deadline deal.
Unless they think they can make the playoffs with Stone and Martinez on LTIR lol
I heard it was the Canadian teams and California teams (which would heavily imply it's due to taxes).
That's a stretch.
I think they were just careless and lazy.
They didn't do due diligence on the NTC before acquiring the player, and they didn't follow-up on it in the many months that followed while he was under contract to them.
MMC
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After the Pederson-Stripling trade to the Angels falling apart and now this BS I'll never believe a trade involving one of my teams again until that player hits the ice/field/court lmfao
Yeah I really don't think it will be that hard to offload him to a different team for a second and a few million dollars.
This is the correct result.
Trade is voided. Case closed.
Vegas can now find another way to become cap-compliant, whatever that entails.
When you leave a critical task to the last minute, you assume a lot of risk if anything at all should go wrong. That's exactly what happened here.
Terry Yake
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i don't see why verbeek would feel the need to ask for confirmation from a player's agent because i don't think any GM would believe that a player's own team would be unaware of which teams are on his NTC. needing to confirm something so simple probably never crosses any GMs mind
this will surely change things though
Empoleon8771
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I think it was fairly obvious that the Dadonov trade to Anaheim would get vetoed. As soon as it came out that Dadonov correctly submitted his NTC to Ottawa, it was insanely cut and dry.
The interesting thing to come out of this is what happens with Ottawa for causing this confusion to begin with and what remedies the NHL will give Vegas for the situation.
The interesting thing to come out of this is what happens with Ottawa for causing this confusion to begin with and what remedies the NHL will give Vegas for the situation.
