Confirmed Trade: [ANA/PHI] Cutter Gauthier for Jamie Drysdale and 2025 2nd round pick

[FlyguyOX]

he can have an "advisor" who is generally a big name agent. For example, Celebrini is going to sign with Brisson, just like Owen Power did, but he was just an "advisor" at that stage.


Guys rarely leave school mid-year. Last big example of that was Okposo like 15 years ago. Usually guys who leave mid-season are guys not happy with playing time and go to the CHL.

Well his "Advisor" would be all over social media defending him if the flyers were smearing him unfairly.

 

[93LEAFS]

Well his "Advisor" would be all over social media defending him if the flyers were smearing him unfairly.

No, only Allen Walsh does that.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Nobody this young makes this decision all on their own. Someone close to him advised him to do this and he did it. All of this “man up” bs never even figured into it. It was a business decision.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

You think any team ever gets to the second contract and goes, "yeah we know you missed out on almost a million in year 1, and multiple millions by having to wait an extra year for the next contract, but now that we've come to a deal on your 2nd contract we'll tack on a few million more to make up for it."

For being loyal and helping them out? You would be surprised

 

[timw33]

Wouldn't the bonus overage PHI was afraid to incur have only been the $92,500 standard ELC signing bonus?

Can't achieve Schedule A/B bonuses without playing 42 games, so the max overage penalty they would have occurred was $92.5k. Doesn't seem like that was worth it in the end.

On the burning the ELC thing, you still get 7 years of team control if you burn a year after an NCAA season (where you play like 5-10 games in garbage time), and the player ends up in purgatory 10.2C status where they have no arb rights or offer sheet rights.

EDIT: Saw on another thread that Gauthier would be seen as a 19 year old (based on the calendar year that the contract is signed) so it would take 10GP that year to burn the contract otherwise it would slide (see Clayton Keller). Would have been tough to get him to PHI in time to play enough games and PHI would have also had the hammer and could have just played him in 9GP had they wanted to.

 

[Rich Nixon]

Wouldn't the bonus overage PHI was afraid to incur have only been the $92,500 standard ELC signing bonus?

Can't achieve Schedule A/B bonuses without playing 42 games, so the max overage penalty they would have occurred was $92.5k. Doesn't seem like that was worth it in the end.

On the burning the ELC thing, you still get 7 years of team control if you burn a year after an NCAA season (where you play like 5-10 games in garbage time), and the player ends up in purgatory 10.2C status where they have no arb rights or offer sheet rights.

You're hired.

 

[Flukeshot]

Guys rarely leave school mid-year. Last big example of that was Okposo like 15 years ago. Usually guys who leave mid-season are guys not happy with playing time and go to the CHL

I totally agree, just thinking if it really means that much to be in the nhl by now just not with the Flyers, he'd do it.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Yeah, the rookie GM who was hired probably 10 days before this incident happened is truly all-knowing. Telling your boss to shove it and finding a different job is a rational response (assuming you have options, which Gauthier clearly does) not "mindboggling immaturity."

lol I can tell you've never worked a professional job. This "rookie GM" had been with the flyers extensively before being formally hired.

And kid went to another rookie GM so there goes that theory, too.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

Wouldn't the bonus overage PHI was afraid to incur have only been the $92,500 standard ELC signing bonus?

Can't achieve Schedule A/B bonuses without playing 42 games, so the max overage penalty they would have occurred was $92.5k. Doesn't seem like that was worth it in the end.

On the burning the ELC thing, you still get 7 years of team control if you burn a year after an NCAA season (where you play like 5-10 games in garbage time), and the player ends up in purgatory 10.2C status where they have no arb rights or offer sheet rights.

Thanks. I doubt he ever would have been a UFA or even came close to it - to be honest

 

[GKJ]

Don't think he can have an agent as a college player.

They have agents, they just get called 'advisors' and 'representation' until they can start paying them.

 

[SharksCyclops]

The Flyers look so petty in this whole situation. An entire NHL team (with a history of disorderly and violent fans) is publicly shaming a kid for not wanting to play there.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Nobody this young makes this decision all on their own. Someone close to him advised him to do this and he did it. All of this “man up” bs never even figured into it. It was a business decision.

So the kid wants to be closer to a next pay day while the cap is lower, instead of slaying puck bunnies for another year in college and cashing in when the cap is higher.

Makes sense.

 

[FiveTacos]

For being loyal and helping them out? You would be surprised

So which players specifically have the Flyers deliberately overpaid out of loyalty/reward? Seems like a bad way to operate in a capped league.

 

[GKJ]

Why pretend to be a Flyers fan if you willingly ignore the actual information just to fit your narrative of how awful the Flyers are?

Either stop watching them or shut up lmfao - holy shit youre annoying

the Flyers werent willing to go over the cap to sign Gauthier BEFORE THRE SEASON, so they said to wait until camp - poor baby Gauthier was offended and took his ball home

I see now why a lot of teens grow up like pieces of shit; the enabling in todays world is mind-numbing


They could have agreed to burn a year without overages, in training camp; this isnt that difficult...

They were never over the cap before the season. They had plenty of cap space to withstand any bonus overages.

 

[Rich Nixon]

The Flyers look so petty in this whole situation. An entire NHL team (with a history of disorderly and violent fans) is publicly shaming a kid for not wanting to play there.

And trying to spin it as the kid spurning their city, franchise and fanbase rather than as fallout from poor communication and business differences. Absolute insanity.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Daaaaamn….lots of salt around here. That 2nd rounder better be a home run….

And here I was sweating this kid in a Flyers uniform for the next 10-15 years. now how do we get Perreault away from the Rangers?

 

[usahockey22flyers]

So which players specifically have the Flyers deliberately overpaid out of loyalty/reward? Seems like a bad way to operate in a capped league.

Have you seen the history of our spending? Lol. They have never adjusted to the cap.

This team is desperate for a star.

 

[HBK27]

Honestly as a Flyer fan I am pretty happy with the trade. A decent return for a player that hasn't proven jack in the NHL...

He hasn't proven jack in the NHL because the Flyers denied him the opportunity.

I know, but he is a high draft pick guy and has his WJC and college perf to bet on teams to pay him.

What? he cannot wait? Is he bankrupt or something?

I get you want to seal the deal but come on. Know your place. You are not making your debut as a pro yet. Calm down.

Forcing him to go back to the NCAA for another season has a negative financial impact on him immediately and in the future, as it pushes back when he can sign his 2nd contract.

It's not out of place for a 5th overall pick that's a forward to go pro after a very good D+1 season.

Gauthier is the only player selected in the top 10 of that draft that has yet to play an NHL game. Even Poitras as the 54th overall pick is a full time NHLer. You can also argue that going pro and playing in the AHL/NHL this season might've been better for his development.

Getting a bit spicier!

If Gauthier feels strongly enough about it, I would expect to see him sign with Anaheim immediately rather than wait until school year end.

I totally agree, just thinking if it really means that much to be in the nhl by now just not with the Flyers, he'd do it.

Completely ridiculous take - he wanted to be in the NHL (or at least turn pro) last season after BC's season wrapped up. He's not going to just quit on the team mid-season.

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

You have no idea when he decided he didn’t want to play in Philly. Maybe he was happy at the draft, and things changed later. That’s his perogative under the CBA.

If Gauthier wanted he could have stayed at BC for 4 years and then been a UFA (still would have to sign a 2 year ELC). In that case - he's putting off the start of his NHL career for at least 2 years, which most players don't want to do.

Agree that we don't know why he doesn't want to play in PHI. Will be interested to hear when that does come out.

 

[nbducksfan19]

I find the public lynching of Gauthier from Philly to be pretty unprofessional - these things happen nearly every year and you rarely see GM's making incendiary comments about kids who don't want to sign. Leaders/spokespeople of a team should be the bigger person....in this instance they are certainly not.

 

[ScarTroy]

lol I can tell you've never worked a professional job. This "rookie GM" had been with the flyers extensively before being formally hired.

And kid went to another rookie GM so there goes that theory, too.

Verbeek is still new, but not a rookie GM.

 

[Spektre]

Blues Forward Kevin Hayes says he has received death threats in regards to situation with Flyers, Cutter Gauthier​

Link to article

 

[Hodge]

Wouldn't the bonus overage PHI was afraid to incur have only been the $92,500 standard ELC signing bonus?

Can't achieve Schedule A/B bonuses without playing 42 games, so the max overage penalty they would have occurred was $92.5k. Doesn't seem like that was worth it in the end.

On the burning the ELC thing, you still get 7 years of team control if you burn a year after an NCAA season (where you play like 5-10 games in garbage time), and the player ends up in purgatory 10.2C status where they have no arb rights or offer sheet rights.

EDIT: Saw on another thread that Gauthier would be seen as a 19 year old (based on the calendar year that the contract is signed) so it would take 10GP that year to burn the contract otherwise it would slide (see Clayton Keller). Would have been tough to get him to PHI in time to play enough games and PHI would have also had the hammer and could have just played him in 9GP had they wanted to.

So the Flyers lost an elite prospect they drafted 5th overall in order to avoid a $100k cap charge in a year where they probably won't make the playoffs and have a 0% chance of winning the Cup. Is this the worst run team in the league?

 

[Goose of Reason]

Yet according to Elliotte Friedman he would be a Flyer right now if they had just signed him after his freshman season like teams do with 95% of top 5 picks who play in the NCAA.

If your boss told you that you deserve a promotion but they're not going to give it to you right now because of budgetary concerns you would be pissed too.

And that promotion took you from earning $0 to hundreds of thousands

 

[Apex Predator]

I mean, Josh Gorges refused a trade to Toronto because they were Montreals rival. So grown men have done this before.

There’s a ton of grown men with the maturity level of 15-16 year olds.