Confirmed Trade: [ANA/NYR] Jacob Trouba for Urho Vaakanainen and 2025 4th round pick

[LuGBuG]

I don't like his me-first attitude, that he kept even as a captain of one of the most iconic teams. I don't like that Ducks should care about his wife's apparent requirements to be a doctor in the USA. Overall, I don't like him or the baggage that he brings. If that his hard to understand or agree with, then so be it.

Lol you need to relax bud. He seems pretty well liked by all his teammates. Which really is all that matters in this scenario. Not your crying opinion on his wife becoming doctor.

 

[crowi]

Lol you need to relax bud. He seems pretty well liked by all his teammates. Which really is all that matters in this scenario. Not your crying opinion on his wife becoming doctor.

I'm not mad. I'm not crying. Perhaps you should be more open to opinions that you don't agree with?

 

[PanniniClaus]

Seems aggressive as a Ducks fan? Why do you hate him and seems absolutely absurd you hate his wife…. Deranged stuff.

On another note why would NYR pay to get rid of him? They aren’t short on money and easily could’ve buried that contract in the minors if they really wanted to.

You are not seeing teams bury contracts in the minors like they used to. The Rangers were very lucky Redden was such a pro when they did it with him. I can't imagine they wanted him anywhere near the Wolfpack. Now, Drury didn't tell me this, but it has been a while, since we have seen a big deal buried in the minors.

 

[LuGBuG]

I'm not mad. I'm not crying. Perhaps you should be more open to opinions that you don't agree with?

Nah this opinion seems a little on the crazy side.

“other than that, f*** him, his wife” before he’s ever played a game for us is crazy. Especially when you read what his NYR teammates said about him on his way out.

 

[crowi]

Nah this opinion seems a little on the crazy side.

“other than that, f*** him, his wife” before he’s ever played a game for us is crazy. Especially when you read what his NYR teammates said about him on his way out.

Okay. We'll wait and see on most of that. History tells us things about Trouba as well.

 

[dgibb10]

Seems aggressive as a Ducks fan? Why do you hate him and seems absolutely absurd you hate his wife…. Deranged stuff.

On another note why would NYR pay to get rid of him? They aren’t short on money and easily could’ve buried that contract in the minors if they really wanted to.

Wdym buried in the minors?

You know the 8 mill (or at least 6.8 mill of it) still counts on the cap if he's in the minors right?

 

[LuGBuG]

Wdym buried in the minors?

You know the 8 mill (or at least 6.8 mill of it) still counts on the cap if he's in the minors right?

I don’t think I ever knew that changed wow. Maybe I am getting old? I’m pretty stoned though too. Also nothing near an expert of the cap lol even if that’s a pretty basic fact LOL.

 

[Mike C]

Nah this opinion seems a little on the crazy side.

“other than that, f*** him, his wife” before he’s ever played a game for us is crazy. Especially when you read what his NYR teammates said about him on his way out.

Eh, I make it easy on myself and just go with a f*** everyone approach!

 

[Xirik]

Gudas and Trouba is a match made in heaven.


Happy the cheapshot artist is out west.

 

[dgibb10]

I don’t think I ever knew that changed wow. Maybe I am getting old? I’m pretty stoned though too. Also nothing near an expert of the cap lol even if that’s a pretty basic fact LOL.

I think the number is 1.15 mill that can be buried.

Eg, any player under 1.15 mill doesn't affect cap if in minors.

Any player in the minors with an AAV above 1.15 mill costs AAV-1.15 mill on the teams cap.

If you're sending a guy down, it is generally a statement that he is not good enough for an NHL roster rather than a cap saving move (since even if you replace with a league minimum guy you still only save about 400k).

If it wiped out the whole contract you would see a LOT more guys waived and a LOT more NMCs (without NTCs or with partial NTCs)

 

[Gert B Frobe]

Did something happen? was he that bad?
to trade your captain who seemed to still be an NHL level player seems crazy

Yes he has been bad for a while, and worth maybe $2m per year on a one year deal. If you really, really value intimidation and have a very soft team, so much so that you're ok with below average defense and no offense, then maybe I guess.

Watch the two first goals here. Apparently this is a regular thing lately. I don't watch the Rags unless they're playing the Flyers so maybe I'm being a bit harsh. He definitely crushes guys now and then, and I see the big hits, dirty plays and injuries he causes on NHL Tonight. But when you watch a full game - oooof...

 

[Mike C]

Okay. We'll wait and see on most of that. History tells us things about Trouba as well.

Truth be told, money notwithstanding, I'd take him on the Islanders all day every day. Nobody would notice that he's slow and behind the play because their entire D is that way. He'd add an element of toughness that is desperately lacking

 

[Gert B Frobe]

I'll take trouba for that all day.

Dude watch him play. $8M for that??? Jesus.

 

[Static]

Dude watch him play. $8M for that??? Jesus.

I'll get a real good look soon.

 

[LuGBuG]

I think the number is 1.15 mill that can be buried.

Eg, any player under 1.15 mill doesn't affect cap if in minors.

Any player in the minors with an AAV above 1.15 mill costs AAV-1.15 mill on the teams cap.

If you're sending a guy down, it is generally a statement that he is not good enough for an NHL roster rather than a cap saving move (since even if you replace with a league minimum guy you still only save about 400k).

If it wiped out the whole contract you would see a LOT more guys waived and a LOT more NMCs (without NTCs or with partial NTCs)

I just remember when Redden was sent down. Wasn’t the exact reason to bury his entire contract? Did they change it after that? Also I remember hearing Redden bought every player on the team an iPad lol. Good move to have the room like you.

 

[Gert B Frobe]

Truth be told, money notwithstanding, I'd take him on the Islanders all day every day. Nobody would notice that he's slow and behind the play because their entire D is that way. He'd add an element of toughness that is desperately lacking

Money not withstanding if your aunt had balls...

 

[FiveTacos]

No, what i'm saying is that you spend your resources (money and cap space is a resource) on better things than Jacob Trouba.

I don't particularly think there's ever a lot of bargains in FA. But they did do little things like flip Lyubushkin for more than they paid. By and large, they've limited their long term commitments, and focused on loading up the system. There was not a lot of realistic FA options for them in recent years, and they didn't have the assets to do much more than sell at the deadline.

There's no instant fix to go from shit to good (although this kind of goaltending heater is about as close as you can get). What you can do is make each move good.

If you're gonna bring in guys, try and make them moves with upside.

Well, a lot of guys with true upside don't get moved. Maybe you're talking about a roll of the dice on a failed youngster somewhere else? That's fine, but there's probably a lot more Newhook type outcomes than ones that actually pay off. Hell, Vaakanainen who they just shipped out was one of those.

If you're gonna just bring in expensive cap dumps, at least get paid for it.

I don't think there's as many of those types of moves to be had as you seem to think. If it were that easy, a lot more teams would be getting out of their bad contracts (and there's plenty who need to). There's a reason why so many teams are up against it, you can't just send off a pick to unload every expensive guy ... at some point you'll just run out of picks which you also might prefer to use to go get TDL acquisitions.

And if you make those better moves, all of a sudden you can become a cap team much quicker. Or if, for example, your young stars explode quicker than expected, you don't have a bunch of dead weight on the books holding you back.

By the time they need the cap space if the young stars blow up, much of the veteran deals will be expired. They don't have albatross contracts running for another 5 or 6 years.

You make it sound like rebuilds from rock bottom are a piece of cake, but they're really not. No one really makes the jump until they have multiple young guys explode into stardom ... but that doesn't typically happen until you start getting to around 23-25. Right now the bulk of the Ducks' youngsters are still years from that. Hell, Carlsson hasn't even exited his teens.

 

[crowi]

Money not withstanding if your aunt had balls...

Yeah, I don't understand how inserting Trouba to a young core is a good idea. And not getting anything for it too. It's stupid.

 

[3074326]

I love how he blamed his play on everyone else. Glad he's out of the division though.

 

[Jumptheshark]

No cap retention is what I find it interesting

 

[Gert B Frobe]

Yeah, I don't understand how inserting Trouba to a young core is a good idea. And not getting anything for it too. It's stupid.

Maybe he's a great locker room guy and whatnot but still $8M? How does Anaheim NOT get NY to retain half of that contract, and take him for nothing in return - is just astounding.

 

[Mike C]

Money not withstanding if your aunt had balls...

IF???

It's almost 2025

New World Order baby

 

[Mike C]

I love how he blamed his play on everyone else. Glad he's out of the division though.

Aaron Rodgers syndrome

 

[Lampedampe]

If you have the cap you might aswell use it i suppose.

Good trade for the Rangers, and if this doesn't hurt Anaheims cap situation next season then it's a win win.

 

[dgibb10]

I don't particularly think there's ever a lot of bargains in FA. But they did do little things like flip Lyubushkin for more than they paid. By and large, they've limited their long term commitments, and focused on loading up the system. There was not a lot of realistic FA options for them in recent years, and they didn't have the assets to do much more than sell at the deadline.

I understand that we're talking about a bad team but overall been disappointing in UFA from him.

Well, a lot of guys with true upside don't get moved. Maybe you're talking about a roll of the dice on a failed youngster somewhere else? That's fine, but there's probably a lot more Newhook type outcomes than ones that actually pay off. Hell, Vaakanainen who they just shipped out was one of those.

I'm talking about moves like for example NJD going and getting 25 year old John Marino, or 26 year old Ryan graves. Guys who have had success, but are still potentially on the way up, not the way down.

NJD for example built a quality dcore from virtually nothing before the prospects had arrived.

Went out and got a hamilton while being shit.
Went and grabbed marino while being shit
Went and grabbed graves while being shit
Went and grabbed siegs while being shit.

And that's what helped take them out of the basement when they had a quality goalie season for once.

I don't think there's as many of those types of moves to be had as you seem to think. If it were that easy, a lot more teams would be getting out of their bad contracts (and there's plenty who need to). There's a reason why so many teams are up against it, you can't just send off a pick to unload every expensive guy ... at some point you'll just run out of picks which you also might prefer to use to go get TDL acquisitions.

You don't need to take every cap dump.

But there are a lot more teams looking to clear cap than actually do. They don't because the cost is too prohibitive. (eg Oilers ending up buying out campbell).

But if you're gonna take on bad cap like trouba and not even get picks, why not undercut other teams in the pure dump market like campbell?

I 100% respect not taking on cap dumps. But if you're gonna not take pure cap dumps, don't trade for shit contracts and pay for the privledge

By the time they need the cap space if the young stars blow up, much of the veteran deals will be expired. They don't have albatross contracts running for another 5 or 6 years.

If the window to start competing is another half decade down the line sure. And it doesn't mean you can't make good moves in the meantime

You make it sound like rebuilds from rock bottom are a piece of cake, but they're really not. No one really makes the jump until they have multiple young guys explode into stardom ... but that doesn't typically happen until you start getting to around 23-25. Right now the bulk of the Ducks' youngsters are still years from that. Hell, Carlsson hasn't even exited his teens.

Nobody said it was a piece of cake.

But it isn't some ridiculous expectation to expect a GM to effectively make trades and signings.

This is a bad trade.