ZegrassyKnoll
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He seems like a person who waits and then does everything at once.
I do feel like more will happen this weekend, if not today.
Confirmed with Link: [ANA/NYR] Jacob Trouba for Urho Vaakanainen and 2025 4th round pick
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I do feel like more will happen this weekend, if not today.
Dr Johnny Fever
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Well, he's put himself in a situation where young guys are going to be forced to sit if Fowler continues to stay. I HOPE PV realized that before acquiring Trouba.
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I mean, in the sense that he's been terrible and probably deserves to sit for a game but we're not gonna do that because he wears the C, yeah.
Trouba is worse than Gudas in the cheap shot merchant department and having Gudas wearing the C does not seem to have made the team appreciably tougher or meaner, so...
That was really more a comment about Gudas than Vaaks (as the sample size is too small).
Nah that's true, I'm actually okay with it from the "I like Vaaks and want him to do well" side of things. I despise Trouba therefore giving up even borderline assets for him is going to annoy me, especially in a situation where the Rangers had less than zero leverage. The fact that the borderline asset is a player I wish hadn't been on the road to being squeezed out here is just a side note.
Lord Flashheart
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This is not making the team better though.
This teams biggest weakness is defence. We're allowing ridiculous amount of shots against, constantly chasing the play in the D-zone. Trouba is not making that better.
I disagree he doesn't make us better, but he will have to prove it on the ice. We will see.
If I'm trying to gaslight myself into liking the deal, I would craft an argument that went something like this:
The "high character" thing has different definitions in hockey circles. Trouba was made captain for a reason. If guys in the locker room hated him, that wouldn't have happened. He's hated by other teams for his "toughness" on the ice, but hopefully he'll bring some motivation to the locker room.
We gave up virtually nothing. Vaakanainen did not have a future here with what we have on the team and in the pipeline. A 4th round pick is meaningless. Nothing went out the door that was going to be a part of the next good Ducks' team.
Ok, did it work? Do I feel good about this deal? Reader, I do not. But I've gotten myself from a fist-pounding state to a shrugging state. Progress, I guess?
dracom
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Would've been so excited for this if it happened 5+ years ago. Now? Meh. Bet he waived to come here so he doesn't have to face much scrutiny for bagging his defensive effort.
Deuce22
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Gudas and Trouba are redundant. Don't need two slow enforcers on the backend that don't move the puck well. This makes the Ducks more physical but will probably result in even more shots against.
All Mighty
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According to Natural Stat Trick, Trouba is 3rd worst amongst defensemen in the NHL in shots against per 60 when he’s on the ice at 5on5. The funny part is Fowler is 2nd worst.
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I do wonder how much of this is for the room as well. We need more accomplished voices in there.
The Midnight Burrito
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When you’re already shitty, what’s one more asshole?
ZegrassyKnoll
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We also have issues clearing the crease and making other teams think twice about running our young guys. This adds some more grit into our lineup that is sorely needed. It gives us a better balance of physical and skill play.
Vaaks and a 4th is nothing. Helleson is looking like a superior player to Vaaks, although its a small sample size. 4th round pick is a lottery pick. So we dont really lose anything here.
Now weve also added another vet presence on the blueline making it that much easier to trade a guy like Fowler. We also add a guy who was the teams captain. Thats something to consider here too, they didnt strip him of the C even with all of the trade talk going on since last year. So at the very least he was still respected.
So.... an improvement! nice
I don't think Trouba makes the team appreciably worse. The Ducks already struggle defensively - he'll just be a part of that now. And the team does lack physicality.
The cap hit and the amount they gave up don't mean anything. Vaakanainen was expendable, the 4th is nothing, and the Ducks don't need to worry about cap.
The thing that bums me out the most is the long-term implications for how our GM evaluates players and acquires players. Do we STILL not have an analytics department worth a damn? Trouba looks terrible from even the most rudimentary advanced statistical analysis. Does Verbeek just not care?
And while the Ducks didn't give anything up, they also absolutely did the Rangers a favor. Drury has to be ecstatic that he didn't have to retain or give up any additional assets for the Ducks to take full freight. It doesn't matter for the Ducks now, but it's an ill-omen for future seasons when the Ducks might have to be more cost-conscious.
The cap hit and the amount they gave up don't mean anything. Vaakanainen was expendable, the 4th is nothing, and the Ducks don't need to worry about cap.
The thing that bums me out the most is the long-term implications for how our GM evaluates players and acquires players. Do we STILL not have an analytics department worth a damn? Trouba looks terrible from even the most rudimentary advanced statistical analysis. Does Verbeek just not care?
And while the Ducks didn't give anything up, they also absolutely did the Rangers a favor. Drury has to be ecstatic that he didn't have to retain or give up any additional assets for the Ducks to take full freight. It doesn't matter for the Ducks now, but it's an ill-omen for future seasons when the Ducks might have to be more cost-conscious.
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MMC
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The Midnight Burrito
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Yeah, the asset was cheap for us but it shouldn’t have been this cheap for NYR.
MMC
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Hope PV hops on Ducks Stream once this one is done like he did after the Drysdale trade
JabbaJabba
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Pair them together and aim for the 1st spot! Dream come true!
As a hockey deal it's fine. Vaak was a surplus LHD, always hurt, and completely vanilla. Trouba fills a hole although my expectations are very tempered. He'll be another veteran to surround the kids with and hopefully he'll be around next year to give Solberg lessons on the finer points of knocking opponents out.
But I also think that Verbeek rescued the Rangers from a problem and did so too cheaply. I know Trouba is PV's type of player but unless there were other teams willing to offer more, Verbeek did Drury a big favor and got nothing for it. Whatever happened to weaponizing our cap space???
But I also think that Verbeek rescued the Rangers from a problem and did so too cheaply. I know Trouba is PV's type of player but unless there were other teams willing to offer more, Verbeek did Drury a big favor and got nothing for it. Whatever happened to weaponizing our cap space???
I like this. Finally some more muscle, and whatever he is, he does have some leadership in him. Get Warren and Solberg shadow him at every opportunity, just inform to keep the elbows tight 
He has been playing 20+ mins for a good Rangers team for years. They needed a shakeup and sure he has many flaws but I like this for us. @Leonardo87 I will trust your judgement the most tho.
PS
In the 2012 draft, Hampus was surprisingly picked before Trouba.
Eventually we traded Hampus for Vaaks (hello-darkness-my-old-friend.jpg)
We end up tradeing Vaaks for Trouba
Funny circle of events
He has been playing 20+ mins for a good Rangers team for years. They needed a shakeup and sure he has many flaws but I like this for us. @Leonardo87 I will trust your judgement the most tho.
PS
In the 2012 draft, Hampus was surprisingly picked before Trouba.
Eventually we traded Hampus for Vaaks (hello-darkness-my-old-friend.jpg)
We end up tradeing Vaaks for Trouba
Funny circle of events
