Weekes: Along with The Devils, significant interest on Meier are coming from Vegas, Toronto, Carolina

[MAB1]

There are several possibilities.

Moving Rielly at the draft before his NMC kicks in is one.

Both Matthews and Nylander are eligible to sign new contract extensions on July 1. Before the draft, the Leafs should have some idea of the likelihood and cost of that happening. So, it's possible that the Leafs could be looking at moving one or both of them.

There's also a good chance that none of Kerfoot (3.5M, UFA), Engvall (2.25M, UFA), Holl (2M, UFA), and Muzzin (5.625M, LTIR) are on the team next year. Plus the minimum cap increase of 1M. That's over 14M in cap space.

That might be the dumbest thing I've read on this site. Matthews and Nylander are not getting traded a year before UFA. Mackinnon himself didn't even sign until 1/2 through his contract year. By your logic the Avs should've trade him at the draft and they win no cup.

 

[D3vilsH0ck3y]

How about this, if you're so confident in the Devils signing him this summer...

Canes trade for him now and for their playoff run, Devils can sign him...to an offer sheet...Canes then get 4 1st round picks to recoup what they paid for rental Meier. Works for me...

Any team that doesn't hold his rights that intends on signing Meier would have to do it via offer sheet, and the compensation for such an offer sheet is quite high. Not as easy as you are making it out to be...

I will pass on that, guess we will see in a few weeks who is right.

Not rushing the rebuild even though we are in the final stage, sorry.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

This is literally not true, go read a few posts above.

Lol, it's ok nice to dream.

 

[notbias]

Lol, it's ok nice to dream.

The fact is if the Leafs trade for Meier, they can keep him. Sorry if it doesn't fit your narrative.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

The fact is if the Leafs trade for Meier, they can keep him. Sorry if it doesn't fit your narrative.

Then they lose Nylander or Matthews in a year, have fun with that.

 

[notbias]

Then they lose Nylander or Matthews in a year, have fun with that.

Also not true.

 

[kevsh]

Matthews and Nylander are not getting traded a year before UFA

Matthews no, and probably not even if he lets the Leafs know he's going to free agency. The GM (whomever it is) will most likely want to keep him for another crack at getting out of the first round ... Or, if they do go on a run this year but fail to win the Cup, then more incentive to try one last time, even if it means giving up an insane haul for 1 year of Auston.

Nylander though I can see being moved. That is, if were talking about any other GM than Dubas who is loyal to a fault. No sane GM wants to deal with negotiating with Willie after he sat out until literally the last hour before signing his current deal. Anyone believing he won't be just as difficut (and given the season he's having, probably more difficult) to sign this time hasn't been paying attention.

A wise GM would move him this summer for pieces that help now and let signing/re-signing Nylander make someone else's life miserable.

* I will just add, in retrospect the Leafs got a great deal on Nylander, and no one can blame Willie for wanting to get paid, but his sitting out and thereby hurting the team and his own season to get absolute max payday vs. taking a bit off his ask knowing that Matthews and Marner still had to be signed, well, he clearly chose the former.

 

[Forge]

If the bidding war is out of control then I just don’t do it. That’s wayyyy too much.

Perhaps. I don't expect to give up a return like that, I was just commenting that a return such as that is more likely than the Sharks getting Mercer back in a world in which the Timo sweepstakes are out of control.

 

[sticker76]

I think the Devils have the best prospects to make a deal work and there is the Swiss factor too, but I think Devils fan underestimating the implications for cap next year and on the team next year. Yes they have the money to sign Meier (8-9M) and Bratt (7-8), plus Shango due for a raise, who I think they keep. But all these takes from Devils fans that we can just throw in 2 rookie D next year into our top 6 and 3 rookie F as well and a rookie backup goalie, that can affect the team. Name the last team who had playoff success with potentiallly that many rookies in the lineup. Maybe they do sign some vets for cheap or some of their own UFA/RFA cheap, but I don't think it will be as easy as some think.

 

[Strangle]

Matthews no, and probably not even if he lets the Leafs know he's going to free agency. The GM (whomever it is) will most likely want to keep him for another crack at getting out of the first round ... Or, if they do go on a run this year but fail to win the Cup, then more incentive to try one last time, even if it means giving up an insane haul for 1 year of Auston.

Nylander though I can see being moved. That is, if were talking about any other GM than Dubas who is loyal to a fault. No sane GM wants to deal with negotiating with Willie after he sat out until literally the last hour before signing his current deal. Anyone believing he won't be just as difficut (and given the season he's having, probably more difficult) to sign this time hasn't been paying attention.

A wise GM would move him this summer for pieces that help now and let signing/re-signing Nylander make someone else's life miserable.

* I will just add, in retrospect the Leafs got a great deal on Nylander, and no one can blame Willie for wanting to get paid, but his sitting out and thereby hurting the team and his own season to get absolute max payday vs. taking a bit off his ask knowing that Matthews and Marner still had to be signed, well, he clearly chose the former.

It sounds like Nylander was probably justified in sitting. He was being low balled, not being greedy. The difference seemed so small, and more like it wasn’t really his fault.

That said, Nylander might be a better player than Meier So if it’s between those two, keep Willy.

If you’re trying to load up for one big shot at the cup this year and you’re Dubas, I think you’re crazy. This team hasn’t shown they are at all close to needing that ‘extra little push’ a deadline deal would give them.

I think Dubas needs to manage his assets here, keep his 1st, keep his best prospect, and make it clear that the team needs to give him a reason to go out and spend at the deadline.

They haven’t given him a reason to do that in his entire career here. And when he did go in and brought in some help, they blew a 3-1 series lead against a team that really shouldn’t have even made the playoffs. And that team cruised to a SC final instead of the Leafs.

It’s put up or shut up for the team on the ice, not for Dubas. And blowing his wad on this player at this time? Makes no sense to me

 

[VivaLasVegas]

How does Vegas have the assets/money to be in on everyone

Stone's back injury freed up bongo Cap.

 

[hangman005]

Stone's back injury freed up bongo Cap.

10 years from now we're gonna find Stones healthy back at the bottom of Lake Mead.

 

[Eggtimer]

How about this, if you're so confident in the Devils signing him this summer...

Canes trade for him now and for their playoff run, Devils can sign him...to an offer sheet...Canes then get 4 1st round picks to recoup what they paid for rental Meier. Works for me...

Any team that doesn't hold his rights that intends on signing Meier would have to do it via offer sheet, and the compensation for such an offer sheet is quite high. Not as easy as you are making it out to be...

Or Meier can refuse to extend and takes the 10 mil QA, is a UFA after that . Signs with Devils as a UFA .

 

[hotpaws]

The fact is if the Leafs trade for Meier, they can keep him. Sorry if it doesn't fit your narrative.

as a Leaf fan i'd be interested to know how'd we'd be able to afford to keep him since you also said we won't be losing any of our other high priced talent

 

[notbias]

as a Leaf fan i'd be interested to know how'd we'd be able to afford to keep him since you also said we won't be losing any of our other high priced talent

Go to CapFriendly, and use the interactive armchair gm for next year, there are also multiple posts in this thread explaining it. Beyond next year we have a one-year cap crunch, and then it should be fine.

Engvall + Kerfoot + Holl being replaced by ELCs (and Timmins) is a savings of like 4.5 million right there.

Muzzin is LTIR and there is some flexibility there too. I think with just those savings it is Meier's $10 million QO.

Meier - Tavares - Marner
Robertson - Matthews - Nylander
X - X - Jarnkrok
Steeves - X - McMann

Rielly - Brodie
Sandin - Liljegren
Gio - Timmins

Murray
Woll

$10 million QO accepted in this scenario and 5.8 million to fill out the holes.

If Knies is not traded and Holmberg is signed at around $1 million (reasonable), then they have 3.8 to find a 3C and a goalie if they think they need to (we will see how the season goes), and if they are going that route, Murray can be dealt.

There are ways to make this work.

 

[Strangle]

Go to CapFriendly, and use the interactive armchair gm for next year, there are also multiple posts in this thread explaining it. Beyond next year we have a one-year cap crunch, and then it should be fine.

Engvall + Kerfoot + Holl being replaced by ELCs (and Timmins) is a savings of like 4.5 million right there.

Muzzin is LTIR and there is some flexibility there too. I think with just those savings it is Meier's $10 million QO.

The cap is way too complicated for me to try to mess around with

There are too many variations and possibilities. I just figure the subject matter experts will figure it out

 

[hotpaws]

Go to CapFriendly, and use the interactive armchair gm for next year, there are also multiple posts in this thread explaining it. Beyond next year we have a one-year cap crunch, and then it should be fine.

Engvall + Kerfoot + Holl being replaced by ELCs (and Timmins) is a savings of like 4.5 million right there.

Muzzin is LTIR and there is some flexibility there too. I think with just those savings it is Meier's $10 million QO.

we're already using Muzzin's ltir to stay cap compliant this season so we can't use his entire cap hit to lump on top of saving cash by getting more min wage players

and how does adding even more bargain bin players to be able to afford him even make f***ing sense ?

realistically the only way we can afford him next year without hurting the team is by getting Tavares to move but Dubie if he's still around doesn't have the nuts it takes to get him to waive

 

[Eggtimer]

Go to CapFriendly, and use the interactive armchair gm for next year, there are also multiple posts in this thread explaining it. Beyond next year we have a one-year cap crunch, and then it should be fine.

Engvall + Kerfoot + Holl being replaced by ELCs (and Timmins) is a savings of like 4.5 million right there.

Muzzin is LTIR and there is some flexibility there too. I think with just those savings it is Meier's $10 million QO.

Meier - Tavares - Marner
Robertson - Matthews - Nylander
X - X - Jarnkrok
Steeves - X - McMann

Rielly - Brodie
Sandin - Liljegren
Gio - Timmins

Murray
Woll

$10 million QO accepted in this scenario and 5.8 million to fill out the holes.

If Knies is not traded and Holmberg is signed at around $1 million (reasonable), then they have 3.8 to find a 3C and a goalie if they think they need to (we will see how the season goes), and if they are going that route, Murray can be dealt.

There are ways to make this work.

Sure there are always ways to make it work .”Just “ need to gut your team and use a handful of league minimum players . Amd find teams to unload your overpriced junk on . No problem.
Having 5 forwards making an average of 10+ mil each …. What could go wrong ? Just double shift each of the top two lines and don’t bother using your league minimum guys ever.

 

[notbias]

we're already using Muzzin's ltir to stay cap compliant this season so we can't use his entire cap hit to lump on top of saving cash by getting more min wage players

and how does adding even more bargain bin players to be able to afford him even make f***ing sense ?

realistically the only way we can afford him next year without hurting the team is by getting Tavares to move but Dubie if he's still around doesn't have the nuts it takes to get him to waive

ELCs are not necessarily bargain bin players, and they are also filling out the bottom portion of the roster mostly.

And what does Muzzin's LTIR this year have to do with next year? If Muzzin was playing, I am pretty sure we are cap compliant at 20 players by the way.

Sure there are always ways to make it work .”Just “ need to gut your team and use a handful of league minimum players . Amd find teams to unload your overpriced junk on . No problem.
Having 5 forwards making an average of 10+ mil each …. What could go wrong ? Just double shift each of the top two lines and don’t bother using your league minimum guys ever.

You can spread out the talent fairly easily with those players signed.

How about a top 9 of this?

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Meier - Tavares - Jarnkrok
Robertson - Holmberg - Nylander

and there is enough cap to push someone down from that top 9.

Depth becomes a lot easier when you have 4 first-line players.

I am not saying Meier is a must, but I think I like that top 9 more than this year's top 9.

 

[Eggtimer]

Go to CapFriendly, and use the interactive armchair gm for next year, there are also multiple posts in this thread explaining it. Beyond next year we have a one-year cap crunch, and then it should be fine.

Engvall + Kerfoot + Holl being replaced by ELCs (and Timmins) is a savings of like 4.5 million right there.

Muzzin is LTIR and there is some flexibility there too. I think with just those savings it is Meier's $10 million QO.

Meier - Tavares - Marner
Robertson - Matthews - Nylander
X - X - Jarnkrok
Steeves - X - McMann

Rielly - Brodie
Sandin - Liljegren
Gio - Timmins

Murray
Woll

$10 million QO accepted in this scenario and 5.8 million to fill out the holes.

If Knies is not traded and Holmberg is signed at around $1 million (reasonable), then they have 3.8 to find a 3C and a goalie if they think they need to (we will see how the season goes), and if they are going that route, Murray can be dealt.

There are ways to make this work.

You lost me at the part where you said “ If Knies is not traded”
So the Leafs are going to get an extended Meier without having to give any real assets then field a roster that is half all-star team , half ECHL team with 5 forwards making the majority of their cap.
Makes perfect sense in Leafs Land. “ We can and we will!” Stfu

 

[NYRKing]

It’s NJ, unfortunately. And no way they include Mercer. Only thing stopping it is the NJ factor, in which case Meier does not want to sign there long term.

1st, conditional 2nd, Sharengovich, and Shakir. If SJ can pry Holz, more power to em.

It sounds like Dubas does not want to part with major assets. VGK and CAR are dark horses.

 

[Eggtimer]

ELCs are not necessarily bargain bin players, and they are also filling out the bottom portion of the roster mostly.

And what does Muzzin's LTIR this year have to do with next year? If Muzzin was playing, I am pretty sure we are cap compliant at 20 players by the way.



You can spread out the talent fairly easily with those players signed.

How about a top 9 of this?

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Meier - Tavares - Jarnkrok
Robertson - Holmberg - Nylander

and there is enough cap to push someone down from that top 9.

Depth becomes a lot easier when you have 4 first-line players.

I am not saying Meier is a must, but I think I like that top 9 more than this year's top 9.

How come Knies and Meier are in your lineup ? You are not getting Meier without Knies unless you trade your next 4 years of 1st round picks

 

[notbias]

You lost me at the part where you said “ If Knies is not traded”
So the Leafs are going to get an extended Meier without having to give any real assets then field a roster that is half all-star team , half ECHL team with 5 forwards making the majority of their cap.
Makes perfect sense in Leafs Land. “ We can and we will!” Stfu

Meier is getting more than Eichel? Maybe the Sharks want something like 2 1sts and Nemiela, or maybe Knies goes, who knows, but he can be replaced too.

You clearly have no grasp on the prospect pool of Toronto if you think the players listed are ECHL-level players.

Also, playing with superstars is how we unloaded Johnsson on you guys, the Leafs have proven that below-average players can thrive next to really good players.

How come Knies and Meier are in your lineup ? You are not getting Meier without Knies unless you trade your next 4 years of 1st round picks

You really have no idea what the return is for Meier, maybe they send 3 1sts, I'd say that is likely enough.

 

[Nocashstyle]

Meier is getting more than Eichel? Maybe the Sharks want something like 2 1sts and Nemiela, or maybe Knies goes, who knows, but he can be replaced too.

You clearly have no grasp on the prospect pool of Toronto if you think the players listed are ECHL-level players.

Also, playing with superstars is how we unloaded Johnsson on you guys, the Leafs have proven that below-average players can thrive next to really good players.



You really have no idea what the return is for Meier, maybe they send 3 1sts, I'd say that is likely enough.

There’s just simply no way they’re outbidding NJ or CAR, especially if they don’t include Knies.

 

[Eggtimer]

Meier is getting more than Eichel? Maybe the Sharks want something like 2 1sts and Nemiela, or maybe Knies goes, who knows, but he can be replaced too.

You clearly have no grasp on the prospect pool of Toronto if you think the players listed are ECHL-level players.

Also, playing with superstars is how we unloaded Johnsson on you guys, the Leafs have proven that below-average players can thrive next to really good players.



You really have no idea what the return is for Meier, maybe they send 3 1sts, I'd say that is likely enough.

So you think Nemiela is enough to outbid NJ and the Canes ? No chance. If there is a bidding war , the only way the Leafs end up with Meier is if they completely gut their prospect pool . A that point , go for it. If you dont get past the Lightning this year , have fun improving with zero assets and slammed up against the cap.