Weekes: Along with The Devils, significant interest on Meier are coming from Vegas, Toronto, Carolina

[notbias]

The Leafs don't have $8-million to re-sign him this summer. That's the whole point.

It doesn't matter what they pay in the first year of a three-year deal. They either qualify him, sign him or let him go to free agency. The Leafs don't have the cap space to qualify him or sign him to a multi-year deal. He would end up a free agent.

They do if they want to. Some ELCs can fill in some spots, and D is set.

Meier (8 million) - Tavares - Marner
Robertson - Matthews - Nylander
Jarnkrok - X - X
McMann - Holmberg (1 million) - Steeves

Rielly - Brodie
Sandin - Liljegren
Gio - Timmins

Murray
Woll

6.8 million in space.

If Knies doesn't go back the other way it makes it even easier and you immediately have 3 good lines and almost 5 million for a goalie upgrade and 3C or just 3C depending on how the season plays out.

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Meier - Tavares - Jarnkrok
Robertson - X - Nylander

Then they have one year with a tight cap where Nylander gets a big raise and Matthews a minor one.

Then Marner might get a slight raise next year, but Tavares will probably be taking a lot less.

Murray is off the books that year too, as well as Brodie.

Leafs have cap flexibility no matter what everyone else says, they can make these things work because they have no bad contracts.

My $.02 here as a devils fan…

I think most in this thread are missing a big piece of this puzzle. The Devils are playing with house money here. I would love to add Timo to our core and deep down think he only wants to extend here. With that said Fitz has shown time and time again he isn’t skipping steps to this rebuild that is 95-99% complete. Before the season the hopes were to compete for a playoff spot, it looks like that will be easily surpassed and finally playoff hockey will be back in Jersey.

Luke Hughes will get his cup of coffee this spring and Nemec probably next season gets his. Yes, Timo would be the final big piece to complete the puzzle but Fitz won’t go crazy with shipping assets. If it’s not enough (First/Holtz/Sharangovich/Prospect) then so be it. I like our chances of signing Timo in the summer and if it doesn’t work out someone else will become available.

He is an RFA, are you expecting no team to sign him or sign is QO?

 

[D3vilsH0ck3y]

They do if they want to. Some ELCs can fill in some spots, and D is set.

Meier (8 million) - Tavares - Marner
Robertson - Matthews - Nylander
Jarnkrok - X - X
McMann - Holmberg (1 million) - Steeves

Rielly - Brodie
Sandin - Liljegren
Gio - Timmins

Murray
Woll

6.8 million in space.

If Knies doesn't go back the other way it makes it even easier and you immediately have 3 good lines and almost 5 million for a goalie upgrade and 3C or just 3C depending on how the season plays out.

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Meier - Tavares - Jarnkrok
Robertson - X - Nylander

Then they have one year with a tight cap where Nylander gets a big raise and Matthews a minor one.

Then Marner might get a slight raise next year, but Tavares will probably be taking a lot less.

Murray is off the books that year too, as well as Brodie.

Leafs have cap flexibility no matter what everyone else says, they can make these things work because they have no bad contracts.



He is an RFA, are you expecting no team to sign him or sign is QO?

As mentioned I think he wants to play in NJ. It’s definitely a game of chess right now. Does Carolina really not care about an extension? Are these additional teams just being added to drive up the price for NJ?

Jarvis plus is a hefty price for someone who may not want to be there long. I see Jarvis on the same level as Mercer. I have no interest including Mercer in any Meier deal.

Will be interesting to see how it all plays out

 

[The Crypto Guy]

My $.02 here as a devils fan…

I think most in this thread are missing a big piece of this puzzle. The Devils are playing with house money here. I would love to add Timo to our core and deep down think he only wants to extend here. With that said Fitz has shown time and time again he isn’t skipping steps to this rebuild that is 95-99% complete. Before the season the hopes were to compete for a playoff spot, it looks like that will be easily surpassed and finally playoff hockey will be back in Jersey.

Luke Hughes will get his cup of coffee this spring and Nemec probably next season gets his. Yes, Timo would be the final big piece to complete the puzzle but Fitz won’t go crazy with shipping assets. If it’s not enough (First/Holtz/Sharangovich/Prospect) then so be it. I like our chances of signing Timo in the summer and if it doesn’t work out someone else will become available.

Whoever trades for him will be locking him up. He's not hitting the market.

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

No one put them on a Stanley Cup parade after such an achievement.

Considering you thought the CBJ had better prospects than NJD last summer, you clearly have a weird hatred for them lol.

Whoever trades for him will be locking him up. He's not hitting the market.

Vegas and Toronto literally can't unless Toronto trades Nylander which is stupid since he's better than Meier, Carolina and New Jersey are the only ones that can.

 

[Hisch13r]

Vegas being included is hilarious. How could they possibly make a competitive offer compared to the rest?

Pending RFA with a $10-milion Q.O.

Yeah, sure. No way the Leafs could re-sign him.

Very expensive rental.

The Leafs rumor is probably just clickbait.

Thing is he’s not really a true rental. You don’t lose him for nothing. You can flip him in the offseason

 

[D3vilsH0ck3y]

Whoever trades for him will be locking him up. He's not hitting the market.

Probably and I think it will be Jersey or Carolina

 

[Discipline Daddy]

I'd rather just roll the dice without paying the Meier price. On the one hand he's 26 and he's having a great year. But the qualifying offer makes him almost a UFA, and it seems like his price is a lot higher than Horvat's right now. As a Canes fan, I'd rather not pay such a hefty price and see if we can strike in free agency or over the offseason. The supply of quality forwards is higher than usual at this time, so the Canes can be patient. I feel like Henrique is a target the front office would more likely make. Or DeBrincat might be there in the offseason if Ottawa can't afford him. If the rumored price of Jarvis + is true, I'd just rather stay out.

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

How is Buffalo not in on Timo, they've got the cap and the assets and I'd safely say they're on their path to build a contender

Buffalo would love to have him but not at the cost being proposed. Buffalo not at a position to give up the farm for one player. Maybe in offseason maybe next trade deadline.


Sabres have lessons to learn and players to make decisions on. I could see the Sabres trading their seconds and Portillo but not the multiple assets that are being proposed.

We had Eichel, Reinhart, McCabe, Ulmark, ROR, Lehner, Kane, Bogo, and others and it didn’t work. Won’t sell the farm for the current shiny

I hope you get Three firsts like we got for Eichel and better than the first and unsigned prospect that we got for Sam

After squiring those, don’t see giving them up a year later.

 

[Hisch13r]

If the bidding is out of control, this is how I think the return looks as opposed to including mercer / Nemec.

I think nj probably gets something else back (a random bottom six type maybe) to even out contracts and whatnot



At once? Or just in general? Important distinction because I'm paying way more if he can play them both at once.

If the bidding war is out of control then I just don’t do it. That’s wayyyy too much.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Vegas being included is hilarious. How could they possibly make a competitive offer compared to the rest?

if an extension doesnt happen, Vegas could likely throw out a decent offer for Meier. especially with the higher chance that Vegas' pick is better than either of the other 3 teams. It would be a very Vegas like move

Patrick, 1st, and their better prospects.

 

[spockBokk]

I'd rather just roll the dice without paying the Meier price. On the one hand he's 26 and he's having a great year. But the qualifying offer makes him almost a UFA, and it seems like his price is a lot higher than Horvat's right now. As a Canes fan, I'd rather not pay such a hefty price and see if we can strike in free agency or over the offseason. The supply of quality forwards is higher than usual at this time, so the Canes can be patient. I feel like Henrique is a target the front office would more likely make. Or DeBrincat might be there in the offseason if Ottawa can't afford him. If the rumored price of Jarvis + is true, I'd just rather stay out.

I haven’t seen any reputable source come out and say “Jarvis +” was the price. That’s just fan speculation. In reality, I’d be shocked if Jarvis were on the table.

 

[Hisch13r]

if an extension doesnt happen, Vegas could likely throw out a decent offer for Meier. especially with the higher chance that Vegas' pick is better than either of the other 3 teams. It would be a very Vegas like move

Patrick, 1st, and their better prospects.

I mean it seems like the Canes are fine with no extension. Unless they’re lowballing because of it then there’s no way Vegas is beating them. Patrick’s also a complete non factor. He has no value.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

I haven’t seen any reputable source come out and say “Jarvis +” was the price. That’s just fan speculation. In reality, I’d be shocked if Jarvis were on the table.

Ah OK. I've just seen it kicked around these boards. Obviously Meier is the better player today, but I don't think you can count out Jarvis being just as good in 5 years. With him being cost controlled, I'd rather hang onto that asset for long term potential gain. A Morrow + 1st deal, while it sucks to pay that, is way more palatable.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Catching up here, but why is it controversial to say without Hughes the Devils have trouble scoring goals? Hischier and to a lesser extent Bratt, are not “stir the drink” offensive players. Meier would be a huge add for his finishing, not to mention his style is something we don’t have. Really a perfect add.

I still don’t go as high as Mercer though, and frankly I’d hate giving up a guy like Casey too. Ultimately, I think NJ is a year early for the level they’ve shown this season, but here we are, so I kind of get both aspects of “let’s go for it” versus “let’s keep building at our pace”. Fun times.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

I like our chances of signing Timo in the summer and if it doesn’t work out someone else will become available.

He's an RFA, he's not going to available to sign in the summer. Maybe another trade

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I mean it seems like the Canes are fine with no extension. Unless they’re lowballing because of it then there’s no way Vegas is beating them. Patrick’s also a complete non factor. He has no value.

it was the first offer I came up with in about a second. Im sure they could offer a decent deal that could beat other rental type offers they will get.

 

[Hisch13r]

Catching up here, but why is it controversial to say without Hughes the Devils have trouble scoring goals? Hischier and to a lesser extent Bratt, are not “stir the drink” offensive players. Meier would be a huge add for his finishing, not to mention his style is something we don’t have. Really a perfect add.

I still don’t go as high as Mercer though, and frankly I’d hate giving up a guy like Casey too. Ultimately, I think NJ is a year early for the level they’ve shown this season, but here we are, so I kind of get both aspects of “let’s go for it” versus “let’s keep building at our pace”. Fun times.

Bratt’s 100% a “stir the drink” player. It’s absurd to say otherwise.

 

[rojac]

They could always flip Rielly, it's not like he's got a bad contract by any means. They've already got Liljegren, Sandin, Giordano, Brodie, Holl, Timmins, Muzzin (he'll either be back or on Robidas island), Niemala, along with depth in Benn and Mete.

Their defensive play without Rielly as a team was elite, like top 3 league-wide. Rielly doesn't help them keeping the puck out of the net.

They can keep Meier along with Nylander, Marner, Matthews, Tavares if they really wanted to. It's not hard. The Leafs don't have bad contracts as a result of paying their top guys premium. Tavares might be considered their worst contract but even he's ppg in year 5 of his contract.

There are several possibilities.

Moving Rielly at the draft before his NMC kicks in is one.

Both Matthews and Nylander are eligible to sign new contract extensions on July 1. Before the draft, the Leafs should have some idea of the likelihood and cost of that happening. So, it's possible that the Leafs could be looking at moving one or both of them.

There's also a good chance that none of Kerfoot (3.5M, UFA), Engvall (2.25M, UFA), Holl (2M, UFA), and Muzzin (5.625M, LTIR) are on the team next year. Plus the minimum cap increase of 1M. That's over 14M in cap space.

 

[HBK27]

How is Buffalo not in on Timo, they've got the cap and the assets and I'd safely say they're on their path to build a contender

They're about to gain another major asset with a mid-round pick in the 1st round of a deep draft, as they're currently looking at 14th overall. They will likely get a very good player there that could be part of this core in another year or two.

Not sure why Buffalo would look to acquire the best player available on the market for a non-existent playoff run this season (The Athletic gives them a 3% chance of making it)? Part of the premium teams like NJ, Carolina, Toronto, etc. are giving up is because he may be the piece that put them over the top this spring.

Yes, I know they could look to sign him long-term. Of course, Meier has to be willing to sign there, which isn't a given - especially when you consider in doing so, he's sacrificing a playoff run this season while he's in the prime of his career.

The Sabres have been doing a good job building up their team - this just seems like the type of move they make in another year or two when they're closer to being contenders.

 

[spockBokk]

My $.02 here as a devils fan…

I think most in this thread are missing a big piece of this puzzle. The Devils are playing with house money here. I would love to add Timo to our core and deep down think he only wants to extend here. With that said Fitz has shown time and time again he isn’t skipping steps to this rebuild that is 95-99% complete. Before the season the hopes were to compete for a playoff spot, it looks like that will be easily surpassed and finally playoff hockey will be back in Jersey.

Luke Hughes will get his cup of coffee this spring and Nemec probably next season gets his. Yes, Timo would be the final big piece to complete the puzzle but Fitz won’t go crazy with shipping assets. If it’s not enough (First/Holtz/Sharangovich/Prospect) then so be it. I like our chances of signing Timo in the summer and if it doesn’t work out someone else will become available.

How about this, if you're so confident in the Devils signing him this summer...

Canes trade for him now and for their playoff run, Devils can sign him...to an offer sheet...Canes then get 4 1st round picks to recoup what they paid for rental Meier. Works for me...

Any team that doesn't hold his rights that intends on signing Meier would have to do it via offer sheet, and the compensation for such an offer sheet is quite high. Not as easy as you are making it out to be...

 

[Hisch13r]

They're about to gain another major asset with a mid-round pick in the 1st round of a deep draft, as they're currently looking at 14th overall.

Not sure why Buffalo would look to acquire the best player available on the market for a non-existent playoff run this season (The Athletic gives them a 3% chance of making it)? Part of the premium teams like NJ, Carolina, Toronto, etc. are giving up is because he may be the piece that put them over the top this spring.

Yes, I know they could look to sign him long-term. Of course, Meier has to be willing to sign there, which isn't a given - especially when you consider in doing so, he's sacrificing a playoff run this season while he's in the prime of his career.

The Sabres have been doing a good job building up their team - this just seems like the type of move they make in another year or two when they're closer to being contenders.

If he’s willing to sign it’s a no brainer. If he’s not then yeah it makes no sense.

 

[HBK27]

if an extension doesnt happen, Vegas could likely throw out a decent offer for Meier. especially with the higher chance that Vegas' pick is better than either of the other 3 teams. It would be a very Vegas like move

Patrick, 1st, and their better prospects.

From everything I'm seeing from Sharks fans, it sounds like it would take a ludicrous offer from Vegas for SJ to trade him there, which this doesn't come close to matching.

I also wouldn't bank on Vegas having the better pick versus the interested teams in the East. They play in the worst division and will have home ice the first two rounds of the playoffs. Not hard to imagine a team with Meier advancing to the WCF and dropping that pick down to 29-32.

 

[notbias]

Considering you thought the CBJ had better prospects than NJD last summer, you clearly have a weird hatred for them lol.



Vegas and Toronto literally can't unless Toronto trades Nylander which is stupid since he's better than Meier, Carolina and New Jersey are the only ones that can.

This is literally not true, go read a few posts above.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Bratt’s 100% a “stir the drink” player. It’s absurd to say otherwise.

I always want more from him relative to what he produces. He’s young enough that his best years are ahead of him, but these last few games without Hughes have been a slog and they’ve barely been able to enter the zone on the PP. Would have liked to see him and Hischier take charge and they’ve not stepped up.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Lotta weird takes about the Devils in here

first it was "meh, they aren't for real, they haven't played anyone!"
then it was "meh, its just a hot streak, they won't keep this up all year!"
then it was "Hughes isn't really this good...hes too small of stature to survive!"
now its "WELL THE PLAYOFFS ARE A DIFFERENT SPORT!" (they're not)

keep taking that copium. the Devils haven't won a playoff series in 11 years now. Excuse us fans for being a little excited for our team.