All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XIII - the 23 deadline approaches

[hblueridgegal]

It doesn't help the doom and gloom when Gibson pulls a Saros on the team right before the Meier trade call. I can't wait to go to Canes Twitter tomorrow and see the whining and bitching

If we're passed over again, it's a little understandable. Coupled with the fear of a repeat of last season's playoffs, the cumulative effect of watching the "brand" boys go elsewhere rather than a team with our record and promise stings a little even when it's somewhat random.

 

[Brock Anton]

Meier’s a great fit, but there have been better ones traded recently (Eichel, Tkachuk).

As an example of what could become available later, an even bigger unicorn, Pettersson, has an uncertain future in Vancouver.

If it comes out that they were just looking for a bargain and not serious, I’ll join the chorus. All signs point to them legitimately trying for the player. Sometimes other teams are just better positioned to make a trade.

I mean, that sounds great … but if we couldn’t get Eichel, couldn’t get Tkachuk and (likely) can’t get Meier, what makes any of us think we could actually land someone like Pettersson?

 

[Svechhammer]

I mean, that sounds great … but if we couldn’t get Eichel, couldn’t get Tkachuk and (likely) can’t get Meier, what makes any of us think we could actually land someone like Pettersson?

Yeah at a certain point you just have to win one of these bidding wars.

Like, why are we keeping all these middling prospects that have zero hope of playing in Raleigh but could crack a lineup somewhere else if we're not dangling them in a trade. Why are we hoarding all those draft picks for what will inevitably become more middling players if we're not going to package them for a serious upgrade.

I don't mind the moneypuck strategy, but eventually we need to have some talent that can take the top off a game. Right now we don't, and I don't see a pipeline for us to have someone like that with the pieces we currently have if we're unwilling to use them to bring in someone who can.

 

[Highest Boss]

 

[spockBokk]

Yeah at a certain point you just have to win one of these bidding wars.

Like, why are we keeping all these middling prospects that have zero hope of playing in Raleigh but could crack a lineup somewhere else if we're not dangling them in a trade. Why are we hoarding all those draft picks for what will inevitably become more middling players if we're not going to package them for a serious upgrade.

I don't mind the moneypuck strategy, but eventually we need to have some talent that can take the top off a game. Right now we don't, and I don't see a pipeline for us to have someone like that with the pieces we currently have if we're unwilling to use them to bring in someone who can.

Middling prospects don’t get you players like Meier. Prospects like Nikishin or young players like Jarvis do.

I think they’re right in not wanting to trade Jarvis and not right in holding Nikishin back. I think it’s obvious SJ asked for Jarvis, we don’t know if they asked for Nikishin. They obviously put forth a reasonable offer for Meier, but you can’t really help it if your trading partner likes another team’s available shiny toys more than yours.

 

[Svechhammer]

Middling prospects don’t get you players like Meier. Prospects like Nikishin or young players like Jarvis do.

I think they’re right in not wanting to trade Jarvis and not right in holding Nikishin back. I think it’s obvious SJ asked for Jarvis, we don’t know if they asked for Nikishin. They obviously put forth a reasonable offer for Meier, but you can’t really help it if your trading partner likes another team’s available shiny toys more than yours.

We're a contending team now and if you're right we're passing on the opportunity to get the perfect player for us right now, who is 26 and very much in his prime right now, for the thought of being able to hold onto Jarvis, who we hope at his best can play to the level that Meier is right now.

I like Jarvis, but if we miss out on Meier because we were unwilling to move him, its a huge mistake. I don't care about the contracts, we can figure that out later, when you have the opportunity to bring in a guy at this level at this stage in his career, you don't pass on it because you think you might maybe have the same kind of player already in the fold.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

I mean, that sounds great … but if we couldn’t get Eichel, couldn’t get Tkachuk and (likely) can’t get Meier, what makes any of us think we could actually land someone like Pettersson?

The appetite to trade certain players can change over time. Jarvis is likely unpalatable for Meier now, but may not be for Pettersson later, if the team fights the 2 GF/G mark in an elimination series again.

 

[spockBokk]

We're a contending team now and if you're right we're passing on the opportunity to get the perfect player for us right now, who is 26 and very much in his prime right now, for the thought of being able to hold onto Jarvis, who we hope at his best can play to the level that Meier is right now.

I like Jarvis, but if we miss out on Meier because we were unwilling to move him, its a huge mistake. I don't care about the contracts, we can figure that out later, when you have the opportunity to bring in a guy at this level at this stage in his career, you don't pass on it because you think you might maybe have the same kind of player already in the fold.

Agree to disagree.

I think some of the hype about Meier has become quite overblown. He’s a good, maybe great player, but I don’t think he’s close to the player some have convinced themselves he is.

 

[Svechhammer]

Agree to disagree.

I think some of the hype about Meier has become quite overblown. He’s a good, maybe great player, but I don’t think he’s close to the player some have convinced themselves he is.

Meier would be as transformative to us as how Panarin was to NYR.

It might cost a lot, but the juice would be worth the squeeze. He'd immediately be our top goal scorer for at least the next few years and between him and Aho on the top line, our offensive attack would completely change for the better.

 

[spockBokk]

Meier would be as transformative to us as how Panarin was to NYR.

It might cost a lot, but the juice would be worth the squeeze. He'd immediately be our top goal scorer for at least the next few years and between him and Aho on the top line, our offensive attack would completely change for the better.

Panarin was a ppg player from the time he stepped on NHL ice. Let’s take a step back from the ledge here.

 

[chaz4hockey]

The team missed on a few drafts and the current middling stuff available in Chicago is hurting in giving suitors desirable assets. (ie by now Suzuki could have been a contributing/useful asset to move).

 

[Vagrant]

I am still of the opinion if we don't get Meier we blew this deadline. in 2006, the guy was Doug Weight. all the contenders wanted him. we committed to it and we got him. I don't think we'd be dumb enough to announce our plan to be "aggressive" and then miss on everyone of importance. I won't believe we didn't beat all offers until I see it done. We aren't brain dead.

 

[the halleJOKEL]

obviously we will miss on meier because we are hitting on pettersson

 

[Sigurd]

Here’s the clip:



Bascially, it’s unlikely teams that originally wanted an extension before trading for him will not get that. They’ll have to settle for acquiring him as is in terms of contract status. Teams are tired of waiting and pushing the Sharks for a decision.

He didn’t specifically say the Canes were out, but less and less likely they get Meier. Let’s hope Vegas gets him.

Friedman also said it looks like teams that required an extension before might have to just worry about that later. From what we've heard before, New Jersey required extension talks with Meier and his agent before a trade was finalized. New Jersey has more reason to worry about the cap than we do, and that $10 million QO would sting them more if they can't get an extension.

If Friedman is right about this (as he said about the Canes and the extension topic, things can change), it's probably because San Jose doesn't want Meier to harpoon trade discussions by making his preference for an extension known. Although curiously, his camp did with Winnipeg. So, it's a bit of a strange situation.

The whining is going to be well earned. I’m tired of spinning every move/non-move we do as this 4D chess genius stuff.

Goal scoring has been the #1 problem for years and it’s incredibly frustrating to see a potential 40-goal scorer in his mid-20’s likely going to a division rival when we more than had the capability to pull it off.

100%. At a certain point after striking out on so many all-star players in their 20s, Carolina's front office absolutely deserves criticism, and ESPECIALLY if it's something we could have easily beaten without trading Jarvis. If that happens, I will absolutely trash our FO.

Also, regarding Nikishin being off the table according to Carolina, look, as great as he seems to be for a prospect, I'd offer him instead of Morrow if that's what it takes. He won't play for us until another 2 years according to what you guys keep saying. Let's be "aggressive" as Dundon said. We have a lot of draft picks and prospects, and if we trade one of Nikishin or Morrow? Well, we still have good defensive prospects.

Morrow/Nikishin, 1st round 2023, Drury/whatever prospect, 2023 or 2024 2nd round pick.

If that package isn't quite good enough with Morrow, I'd add a 1st round from 2024 instead of a 2nd round pick. Two 1st round picks, Morrow, and Drury/whatever non-Nikishin prospect.

Seriously, when will the Canes have a good chance at getting a 40 goal scorer again? Who is also not even in his late 20s and is physical too? Just f***ing go for it.

I mean, that sounds great … but if we couldn’t get Eichel, couldn’t get Tkachuk and (likely) can’t get Meier, what makes any of us think we could actually land someone like Pettersson?

Also, this. If we aren't willing to beat a trade offer for Meier, a winger, then why would Carolina be willing to beat the higher price for Pettersson who is a centerman? EP is also having a new career record season this year even with how much of a dumpster fire Vancouver has been. That's impressive.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Also, this. If we aren't willing to beat a trade offer for Meier, a winger, then why would Carolina be willing to beat the higher price for Pettersson who is a centerman? EP is also having a new career record season this year even with how much of a dumpster fire Vancouver has been. That's impressive.

Because paying Jarvis and Nikishin + for Pettersson is an almost 100% no-brainer...because he is a number 1 center. Players that are normally untouchable in a Meier trade will automatically become very touchable in the event of a 1C being available via trade. There are commodities out there that are more frequently available (and as much as I like Meier, a somewhat superior Matt Tkachuk was available for trade not too long ago) and ones that come along once in a blue moon (Pettersson).

 

[Sigurd]

Because paying Jarvis and Nikishin + for Pettersson is an almost 100% no-brainer...because he is a number 1 center. Players that are normally untouchable in a Meier trade will automatically become very touchable in the event of a 1C being available via trade.

They'd still probably get outbid given their track record. That's also assuming EP will even become available; it's an unknown as much as I'd like for us to be able to get him.

 

[Sigurd]

From the article:

I didn’t believe it when I first heard it.

“Vegas in hard on Meier,” I heard an NHL source say two days ago.

But yesterday, Pierre LeBrun and Chris Johnston essentially said the same thing, identifying the Vegas Golden Knights, New Jersey Devils, and Carolina Hurricanes as the three favorites to land Meier. While New Jersey and Carolina are widely considered the leaders in the Meier sweepstakes, with the St. Louis Blues as an honorable mention, Johnston called the Golden Knights a “dark horse”.

Well, if he doesn't go to us, then sure. Better than New Jersey. Seems like the article has a lot of reasons why a trade with Vegas is unlikely though.

Speaking of Vegas, if the rumor is true that he wants to play in Vegas, I wonder if that's why San Jose seems to not be willing to allow teams to talk with Meier and his camp. Friedman saying teams might have to worry about an extension later (i.e. after a trade) would support that theory.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Part of me wonders if San Jose's most sneakily smart move, out of all of their potential packages, is to trade Meier to Vegas for something like the 2024 and 2025 1sts...Vegas has f*** all as far as futures are concerned and that core is slowly aging in certain parts...that could lead to a record crash not too far into the future and could put one of those picks in the lottery.

 

[Brock Anton]

The only way that makes sense is if Meier has made it clear to the Sharks that he's only got eyes on Vegas and would be unwilling to sign an extension with either CAR/NJ ... because why would Grier trade him to a division rival when he had the chance to pass him off to multiple Eastern Conference teams (who, by all accounts, have better assets)?

 

[robbieberns]

If we lose out on Meier I could see us pulling off a deal for someone similar that is maybe a bit more off the radar or a little less publicly available.

Konecny, Laine, Buchnevich are names that wouldn’t totally surprise me if we were asking about

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

If we lose out on Meier I could see us pulling off a deal for someone similar that is maybe a bit more off the radar or a little less publicly available.

Konecny, Laine, Buchnevich are names that wouldn’t totally surprise me if we were asking about

Or, as I stated before, move in a wildly different direction and make a large, last minute offer for Chychrun.

 

[LakeLivin]

There's a hockey trade, there's over payment, and there's stupid. Everyone will have their own calculus as to where the lines are. I believe we're at a point where, if necessary, some over payment on a Meier bid is appropriate (different price point for rental vs. extended, of course). I just hope we don't slide into stupid.

The "need" to acquire a particular player at any cost is what led to Edmonton getting locked into Darnell Nurse for 8 years at $9.25m, or Toronto painting themselves into a salary cap corner hell.

 

[Sigurd]

If we lose out on Meier I could see us pulling off a deal for someone similar that is maybe a bit more off the radar or a little less publicly available.

Konecny, Laine, Buchnevich are names that wouldn’t totally surprise me if we were asking about

As backup plans to Meier, him and Crouse are the only players at this point that I'd be excited to get based on who seems at least somewhat available. Everyone else is basically meh for me.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

A ton of availability left. We aren’t in any danger here

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Him and Crouse are the only players at this point that I'd be excited to get based on who seems at least somewhat available. Everyone else is basically meh for me.

I'd get quite excited for Laine, too, with his possible boom potential here.