Reiterates that Nikishin is untouchable. As he should be. His ceiling is too high to gamble away.
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Reiterates that Nikishin is untouchable. As he should be. His ceiling is too high to gamble away.
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He's about the only prospect I actually care about in this. But the whole Russia thing Is like spinning a roulette wheel
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And I suppose you could infer from the lack of mention about Jarvis that any notion of moving him is likely dead on arrival.
Never made sense to me to include him in a trade for a scoring upgrade. If you trade Jarvis + for Meier, you’re subtracting a contributing ELC and top 6 forward for what should be a better top 6 forward at that point in time. But the point to adding Meier would be that now you can move Jarvis or others around to different lines to add to your depth, not subtract a key piece for a better one.
I kinda feel the opposite about Nikishin. The time to potentially win is now or next season. If Nikishin got the Meier deal to the finish line, I’d make him available.
I don’t think of Vrana as likely to help this regular season, which is why I would hold off on him until late on deadline day if other things fail to pan out. He shouldn’t be the primary pickup, and if the primary pickup takes up too much space to get Vrana so be it.
But Vrana is a much more immediate reward for taking on cap space than a draft pick for someone like Smith.
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Yeah but I wouldn't be surprised if we get him here sooner rather than later. Supposedly there are already conversations ongoing about buying out the remainder of his KHL contract once their current season is over. And honestly, given how much he's tearing up that league there isn't much else for him to prove over there.
The good news in the Devils OT win was that Mercer continued his ridiculous goal streak - something like 7 G's in the last 5 games. That recency bias makes it that much more unlikely they'd agree to SJ's asks to include him. Devils' fans are alreay against including him. He's got a very promising future but until his heater had been good but not great this season. Same can be said of Jarvis but to a lesser extent.
Dundon is the kind of guy would take on Meier's QO without an extension first whereas I think NJ wants the long-term deal first. Logically that means the Canes could pull the trigger sooner, since Meier's agent still hasn't gotten permission to talk with other teams, and do the deal without Jarvis. Under those circumstances it could be Morrow, Drury + 1st and maybe a 3rd.
In the vein of nobody saw the Trocheck or Skjei moves coming, I'd be good putting Konecny in that category.
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This. Why does Detroit want to bail on a guy that needed the program? It suggests he’s had issues dealing with the team on top of his issue. Those programs are a first step to a lifetime of dealing with this sort of thing. Feels more like an off season move to help someone get their life back together, not an add for a playoff run where we’re counting on him on the pp for a playoff run.
He missed a lot of hockey, was badly out of shape just a month ago. Look into it over the summer if it feels right but don’t add a pretty huge question mark like that into this run.
I'm sure Gavrikov will have plenty of interest. But Boston is out. If Columbus whiffs enough times in trade talks then he would be a very nice 3LD and in the right age range for an extension. Maybe there is a recent 2nd-3rd round pick Columbus likes and they re-do a Hreschuk swap.
Is there anything in Kravtsov? NYR is a prospect graveyard. They are about to hand him away for Cap to add Kane.
Is there anything in Kravtsov? NYR is a prospect graveyard. They are about to hand him away for Cap to add Kane.
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I've learned over the years to recognize that the Rangers franchise always finds a way to turn an opportunity into dog manure either through injuries, bad coaching/goaltending or timely bad play.
Given their resources, it's unbelievable to only have one SC since 1940 and it took Oiler cast-offs to make it happen.
Let's look at the East standings, shall we?
1) Boston
Already made their moves for Orlov. They have no 1st, no capspace, and have very few prospects or draft picks of value left in their system. Probably done.
2) Canes
Tons of cap space, tons of prospects, tons of draft picks. We'll do something.
3) Devils
Tons of prospects and draft picks. No cap space. For next year they have oodles of cap space but they also have to re-sign at least 2D and 8F and 1G. Jesper Bratt will cost probably $9M of their $36.6M left. They'll probably do something at the deadline.
4) Toronto
A few decent prospects, but they already blew their draft pick wad for the next few years. No cap space. They can add a depth D but that's it, and even that will be hard as they don't have an unencumbered 2nd or 3rd until 2025.
5) Tampa
They haven't made a move, but they also have no cap space, no 1sts this year or next, and no good prospects. With their raises to guys next year, they're pretty locked in to their roster. I can't see them adding anything other than depth.
6) Rangers
I can't imagine they'll get Kane without dealing their other 1st. Kane and Tank on that offense would make it an absolutely deadly top 9. Yikes. They're in a cap hell of their own creation with some younger players, most notably Miller, needing new deals next year, so I can't see them going for term. To me it seems from the outside that them getting Trocheck prevents them from doing much else down the road.
The wild card group
Islanders
Already made their move with Horvat.
Detroit
Can't see them going all in with where they are in the re-build. Probably a "stay pat" team. Same for Buffalo.
The others are too questionable I think to make it to the dance that I don't think they'll do much either.
1) Boston
Already made their moves for Orlov. They have no 1st, no capspace, and have very few prospects or draft picks of value left in their system. Probably done.
2) Canes
Tons of cap space, tons of prospects, tons of draft picks. We'll do something.
3) Devils
Tons of prospects and draft picks. No cap space. For next year they have oodles of cap space but they also have to re-sign at least 2D and 8F and 1G. Jesper Bratt will cost probably $9M of their $36.6M left. They'll probably do something at the deadline.
4) Toronto
A few decent prospects, but they already blew their draft pick wad for the next few years. No cap space. They can add a depth D but that's it, and even that will be hard as they don't have an unencumbered 2nd or 3rd until 2025.
5) Tampa
They haven't made a move, but they also have no cap space, no 1sts this year or next, and no good prospects. With their raises to guys next year, they're pretty locked in to their roster. I can't see them adding anything other than depth.
6) Rangers
I can't imagine they'll get Kane without dealing their other 1st. Kane and Tank on that offense would make it an absolutely deadly top 9. Yikes. They're in a cap hell of their own creation with some younger players, most notably Miller, needing new deals next year, so I can't see them going for term. To me it seems from the outside that them getting Trocheck prevents them from doing much else down the road.
The wild card group
Islanders
Already made their move with Horvat.
Detroit
Can't see them going all in with where they are in the re-build. Probably a "stay pat" team. Same for Buffalo.
The others are too questionable I think to make it to the dance that I don't think they'll do much either.
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paraphrasing - Schmaltz's name being out there "screams Carolina". They may want to work a package deal for Schmaltz + Gotisbierre (Friedman got that possibility from "someone")
Nothing really new on Meier - other than SJ may want to delay dealing him for Marleau weekend? wasn't paying the most attention to that part so could have heard incorrectly...
I say screw it - see what the cost is for Schmaltz + Chychrun, who needs 1st round picks...
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I find it rather interesting that all these other rumors are starting to pop up right around the time we get a teaser from Friedman earlier in the week that we had a "good offer" out there for Meier. Feels like strategic leaks to put the screws on SJ to shit or get off the pot.
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Schmaltz + Gostisbierre takes care of what they were looking for and maybe gives them room to add a JVR or Barbashev too.
Looking at they Coyotes for a one stop shop makes a ton of sense
talented but small guys.....I'd prefer a bigger D + of course a bigger winger.
very likely not happening but the League would go yikes if we landed Meier and Chychrun
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Ghost doesn’t do anything for me.
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Schmaltz and Gost are fine, but I don't see them moving the needle on improving out team in terms of areas of need. I think Schmaltz gives us a bit of what we already have, with a bit more offensive punch, but his defense has long been suspect, and he's not the most physical guy out there. Gost, I think I'd just rather stay away from. I don't think he helps us out at all, especially if he's supposed to be 3rd line help.
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Why would we need churcyn? I don't get that move. We need like a spare tire d man that isn't terrible.
With a hockey focused lens or a pre-2022 world, sure. But with the world now and the way Russia is circling the wagons on their own identity and culture due to the war, proving he is a "good Russian" maybe the thing that keeps him there, not some hockey career.
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If schmaltz is the only option right now I think they should save assets and look at making a bigger (more needle moving) play this summer. To me Schmaltz seems more like a trade just to make a trade which Dundon said he didn't want to do. I honestly haven't watched this dude play so just going based one what's been discussed and shown stats wise.
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At the same time, with Svech and Kooch already likely on next year's team, its an opportunity to show how the strong Russian player can completely dominate the NHL leading the best team in the league.
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I will disagree that schmaltz is a move to make a move. Yes we could use a bigger player but he has very good scoring rates despite his line’s meh corsi and o zone start percentages. His defense is pretty good too
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I mean so would I but you just got to play the hand you’re dealt
If they don’t get Meier I think a combo package of Schmaltz and ghost wouldn’t be terrible. If they get Meier and then add ghost I think that would be more ideal. Ghost is gonna slide right into Skjei spot on the pp
I doubt that is how he as an individual would look at it. My original point was that people in Russia are being bombarded with a lot of Nationalistic messages and he may look at staying in Russia as being patriotic; not that the "state" is going to dictate who goes to the NHL and who doesn't. He's making good money for a Russian, he is popular, he is a big fish in a medium sized pond, and he likely is also influenced by all of the patriotic fervor over there that a majority of them seem to be influenced by....those are reasons to stay even if he "has nothing left to prove".
His contract is also good for several more years. If we pick him up, I think he becomes the Teuvo replacement and we don't have pressure to re-sign TT when all those other contract are up.
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