All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XIII - the 23 deadline approaches

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Svechhammer

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Lindholm and Hanifin wanted more money than Dundon wanted to pay. And that move was also made as a “culture shakeup”

The difference there was you knew you had Hamilton for at least 3 yrs at on a below market value contract. It also didn’t hurt that you added the rights of one of the best D prospects in hockey at the time.

With Meier, there’s no guarantees he’s even on your team next year. If he is, you are paying absolute top dollar for his services vs one more year of Jarvis on his ELC and 4 more years of team control.
We just paid $6m to buy one year of Kotkaniemi. We'd definitely pay $10m to buy another year of Meier with the cap space we'll have this off-season.

And with all this said, we would absolutely pay Meier his asking price of between $9m and $10m per year and would likely give him the full 8 years to make it work. He's only 26, he would be our leading scorer for the heavy bulk of the contract.
 

spockBokk

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We just paid $6m to buy one year of Kotkaniemi. We'd definitely pay $10m to buy another year of Meier with the cap space we'll have this off-season.

And with all this said, we would absolutely pay Meier his asking price of between $9m and $10m per year and would likely give him the full 8 years to make it work. He's only 26, he would be our leading scorer for the heavy bulk of the contract.

To get to $8.5M with Aho, they had to let another team sign him.

I’ll believe they’d sign Meier after 25gms to a 9M aav contract when I see it.
 

Sigurd

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I wonder if this “offer” we have in is the reason Jarvis got the news he did? If the Sharks accept the offer, he is then gone. Hope he isn’t in the offer without an extension in place.
Re: the concern about Jarvis being part of the trade offer for Meier, here is a simple reason to think he's not: I think Friedman would've said earlier that we had a "very good offer" for Meier several days ago. Jarvis in his blog mentioned hearing his name in trade talks, what? Last Friday I think?

Why would Friedman just now say we have a very good offer in for Meier after about a whole week since Jarvis's blog? Either this was an offer made this week, OR someone in Carolina got impatient with the Sharks GM, Grier, dragging his ass to make up his mind, and wanted to apply public pressure on him while also letting Caniacs know we were serious about getting the best available forward.
 

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To get to $8.5M with Aho, they had to let another team sign him.

I’ll believe they’d sign Meier after 25gms to a 9M aav contract when I see it.
Aho signed the offer sheet to get the 5 year contract he wanted rather than 8 years.

Signing an offer sheet on day one you can does not equal “they had to let another team sign him.” They got beat by Aho’s agent.

And I think they’ve learned from it.
 

spockBokk

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Aho signed the offer sheet to get the 5 year contract he wanted rather than 8 years.

Signing an offer sheet on day one you can does not equal “they had to let another team sign him.” They got beat by Aho’s agent.

And I think they’ve learned from it.

They weren’t going to give him $8.5M x 8, $7.5M at best.
 
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LakeLivin

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To get to $8.5M with Aho, they had to let another team sign him.

I’ll believe they’d sign Meier after 25gms to a 9M aav contract when I see it.

I'll just copy and paste a reply I made to someone else on our forum a couple months ago. Take it for what you will.
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Aho signed the offer sheet on July 1st. Here's some of the 2019 RFAs who still weren't signed at that point (and the date that they eventually signed): Mitch Marner (9/13), Brayden Point (9/23), Patrik Laine (9/27), Mikko Rantanen (9/28), Brock Boeser (9/16), Matthew Tkachuk(9/25), and Zach Werenski (9/9). Those other big name RFAs weren't signed by their teams until another 2.5 - 3 months after Aho signed the offer sheet.

The narrative is that The Borg was unreasonable and inflexible in negotiations with Aho. The reality is that unless someone has inside information unavailable to the rest of us, who knows how reasonably or unreasonably those negotiations would have actually played out? People use other Cane negotiations (Dougie, Trocheck, etc.) as indicators of the Borg's inflexibility, but as I stated earlier, none of those players were ones that Dundon said were irreplaceable; Aho was.

Look, maybe the Canes were unreasonably playing hardball with Aho. But if you ignore the popular narrative, I don't see how we can pretend to know that for sure given that Montreal forced an early end to the process relative to other comparable RFAs that season.

It's been shown that if a lie is repeated often enough people will believe it, no matter how ridiculous it is. That's gotta be double with a narrative that may or may not be true.
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They weren’t going to give him $8.5M x 8, $7.5M at best.
I am probably captain killjoy around here especially when it comes to judging the enthusiasm of our front office but I think that's pretty much what they wanted to give Aho. He and his agent just wanted a shorter term which is why he signed a 5 year weak sauce offer sheet which we easily matched.
 

TF1970

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Elliotte Friedman during first intermission of WPG-NYI said he’s heard Nick Schmaltz name out there and could see the canes as a team interested in him.
 
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Elliotte Friedman during first intermission of WPG-NYI said he’s heard Nick Schmaltz name out there and could see the canes as a team interested in him.
Think everything hinges on what happens with Meier until then I can’t see them doing anything forward wise. I’d be interested in jake McCabe sounds like talks have picked up
 

Joe McGrath

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We just paid $6m to buy one year of Kotkaniemi. We'd definitely pay $10m to buy another year of Meier with the cap space we'll have this off-season.

And with all this said, we would absolutely pay Meier his asking price of between $9m and $10m per year and would likely give him the full 8 years to make it work. He's only 26, he would be our leading scorer for the heavy bulk of the contract.
Meier isn’t going to be the leading scorer for the bulk of his contract unless they don’t sign Aho and Necas
 

TheReelChuckFletcher

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Possibly but he seems exactly what Jarvis will be soon. I don’t really see the interest unless they are selling him cheap cuz his real money earnings are going almost double.

I'd argue that the Canes now prioritize cap number over real money, like other rich clubs do, now that they're one of the best teams in hockey, but maybe the real money lowers the asset price because of fewer potential suitors?
 

LakeLivin

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I'll put this out here so that if I end up being right I can't be accused of Monday morning QBing later, lol.

Some here seem to believe, based on past moves, that the Borg will only work within a similar framework and utilize a limited set of strategies when it comes to future moves ("I'll believe it when I see it"). I posit that the Borg isn't nearly as rigid as some believe. While I'm sure the Borg has general guiding principles that they operate by, I believe that it recognizes that the environment isn't static, that it actively analyzes changes over time and within the organization, that it will adjust strategy accordingly, and that they will deviate from general principles if the exception makes sense.

In short, I'm guessing that a bigger limitation may be in the way some on here view the Borg rather than in the way the Borg will operate going forward. I could, of course, be wrong.

Having said that, they won't be stupid. E.g., I could see them going hard and even offering an overpayment for Meier but still not getting him if the price amps up into the ridiculous range. In which case I'm sure there will a plan B.
 
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