All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XIII - the 23 deadline approaches

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I no longer think that the Devils are the biggest threat for Meier. It's St. Louis and their top-10 caliber 1st. Outside of Jarvis and Mercer, who aren't going to be dealt, or Nemec, who's a long-shot to be traded due to NJ's need for defensive ELCs next year, there's no more powerful asset on the potential Meier market than that pick.
I have a hard time believing that St. Louis makes that pick available without knowing the lottery results. And I'm not sure SJ would value the pick as a premium asset when it could slide to an unknown 2024 pick. Especially if St. Louis is rebuilding on the fly with Meier.

How about Carolina trades for Meier, wins a Cup, then deals him to St. Louis at the Draft for the #8 Overall where they pick a falling Matvei Michkov.
 
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The more they talk about how they're going to "load up" and "spend the money", the less confidence I have in them making moves that will actually help this team.

If we're making moves just because we have the space and Dundon wants to remain in the news, I'm a bit concerned.
 

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At this point, I'd be willing to trade this year's 1st round pick, 2024 1st round pick, and Morrow + Drury/Suzuki/any non-Nikishin prospect. I'm also more encouraged by KK's increased production so I'm not quite as worried about upgrading at 2C if we can get a winger of Meier's level.

As someone in this topic said a few pages ago, what's to say that we even have a good opportunity to get a Meier tier player in the future (say, within the next 12 months)? Larkin probably stays in Detroit, PLD probably goes to Montreal, and Vancouver probably won't trade EP; even if they did, they'd get way more than Meier probably will get and more than what we'd probably be willing to trade.

So, why not seize this opportunity for a guy that has gotten multiple 30 goal seasons, and is on track to score 40 goals this season? At the outdoor game, they said that Carolina doesn't have a 40 goal scorer unlike a lot of teams, but they have a lot of depth scoring. Well, if we get Meier, we'd have both.
 

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The more they talk about how they're going to "load up" and "spend the money", the less confidence I have in them making moves that will actually help this team.

If we're making moves just because we have the space and Dundon wants to remain in the news, I'm a bit concerned.
After listening to the whole interview that Seravalli had with Dundon, I'm convinced they'd only trade for a player(s) that they believe will increase their odds of winning the cup.

*Edit* I'm just guessing, and so it's not based on what Dundon said, but maybe they weaponize the cap to get draft picks IF they really strike out on getting roster players like say Meier, Kane, AND Crouse, etc.
 
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The more they talk about how they're going to "load up" and "spend the money", the less confidence I have in them making moves that will actually help this team.

If we're making moves just because we have the space and Dundon wants to remain in the news, I'm a bit concerned.

Yeah that wasn’t the vibe of the interview at all. Or even the sound bite that was posted.
 

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The more they talk about how they're going to "load up" and "spend the money", the less confidence I have in them making moves that will actually help this team.

If we're making moves just because we have the space and Dundon wants to remain in the news, I'm a bit concerned.

Given what this team has accomplished the last 4 years, that he's spent to the cap while the team hasn't mortgaged the future, and he has pretty much faded into the background overall, It seems odd to be concerned about that.

They thought Patches was a key element they needed for the playoffs and now he's not available, so they want to be aggressive in replacing that.
 
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The more they talk about how they're going to "load up" and "spend the money", the less confidence I have in them making moves that will actually help this team.

If we're making moves just because we have the space and Dundon wants to remain in the news, I'm a bit concerned.

Stop being negative bastards for once!

I still believe the big deal is Crouse and Chychrun from zona. We are staying in on Meier while we try to convince Zona to take it. It is smarter cap management to have 2 assets that equal 9 million instead of 1.

23 first, Philly’s 2nd, 25 first, nikishin, coghlan, Gunler.

Crouse and Chychrun on our team would be crazy but so much fun. Defense will automatically become 90s Devils-esque levels of great.

Slavin-Burns
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Yeah that wasn’t the vibe of the interview at all. Or even the sound bite that was posted.
Yeah, it wasn't. I just watched Frank Seravalli's recap of his interview with Dundon, and they highlight the trade deadline topic. The Canes trade talk is at about 4:35 in the following clip (the Canes topic is only a few minutes btw; so people wouldn't spend long on this):



Tom Dundon said they're not gonna make a trade just to make a trade. iirc, that's what Don Waddell said about 1-2 weeks ago too. Our front office has a lot of smart people from Dundon on down. They aren't idiots.
 

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Also, further strengthening the argument of making a big push after the outdoor game's hype and attention:





Striking while the iron is hot, and also before we have so many important players with expiring contracts in the summer of 2024, would be smart from not only a marketing standpoint, but also with the big pieces we have now.

Getting Meier would be ideal. Even Kane would be a big deal even though I'd prefer Meier and Crouse over him.
 

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Freidman just said on tv Carolina has a good offer in for Meier. Said they could be looking at some guys with term that other teams can’t take on right now. Mentioned Nick schmaltz.

Schmaltz may be an attractive trade candidate for Arizona, more so than Crouse, because the real money owed is greater than his actual AAV. Canes are now a profitable enterprise (or at least an increasingly valuable enterprise) and can now take on extra salary. I would probably try to go for either a Schmaltz/Chychrun or Crouse/Chychrun package, however, to truly maximize our cap space.
 

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Schmaltz may be an attractive trade candidate for Arizona because the real money owed is greater than his actual AAV. Canes are now a profitable enterprise (or at least an increasingly valuable enterprise) and can now take on extra salary. I would probably try to go for either Schmaltz/Chychrun or Crouse/Chychrun to truly maximize our cap space.
I believe they’ve liked schmaltz going back to when they discussed Faulk with Chicago I remember hearing the ask was Schmaltz but Chicago said no
 
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I looked at Schmaltz's stats, and his faceoff percentage is a major oof if he's a centerman as NHL.com indicates. Most seasons he's in the early 40s range; he hasn't ever gotten above that except for two seasons ago when he had a 47% rating.

He's a right handed centerman (that's a big plus), and seems like he's reliable to have 20 goals in any given season. He's only 26 too. 6 feet tall, but only 181 pounds according to his NHL profile. He needs to gain a little bit of weight for being 6 feet.

 

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I wonder if they don't already have a trade in the works, or at least getting very close. For him to be that forthcoming with their intent seems to be less like them. They're usually pretty tight lipped until a trade is very close or complete.

The Canes have been pretty tight-lipped about the actual targets, though. That's the real question that the Canes don't want to answer until the announcement.
 
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Trading for Chychrun to be on the third pair was awesome

Then I woke up
Yeah, I don't see us getting Chychrun. Getting say a McCabe or Schenn, etc. would be huge for our 3rd pairing and they'd still cost a decent amount. Getting Chychrun with how high of a price Arizona has made for him? Not happening. Also, for the king's ransom they're asking, if it was for a top 6 forward, I'd entertain it because that's our biggest need right now.

Not for the top 4 defensemen we have right now, and we can wait for Nikishin to slot into our 2nd pairing in the not too distant future if Skjei isn't re-signed, and if needed, we can always get a stop gap defenseman until Nikishin is ready.
 

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I wonder if they already have a trade in the works, or at least getting very close. For him to be that forthcoming with their intent seems to be less like them. They're usually pretty tight lipped until a trade is very close or complete.
Well according to freidman they have an offer in for Meier but Greier is taking his time or seeing if jersey can beat it
 
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