All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XIII - the 23 deadline approaches

[cptjeff]

I actually think that they could if necessary; they have the cap space for it.

We had the cap space to sign Hamilton at 9M, too. But blank checks are not how this front office does business, and that's a very, very good thing.

Why wouldn’t we pay it exactly? High dollar but almost no contractual risk. We would be one of the few who would pay it.

If he was worth $10M he wouldn't be leaving San Jose. Remember, the entire reason he's on the trade block is because everyone in the league thinks that $10M QO offer is a poison pill because he's not a $10M player.

 

[Svechhammer]

Solidifies Nashville as sellers. Also takes Johansen off market who I didn't want

win/win.

Now trade for Duchesne and he will only be a few hours from Carrie and still happy and win many gaem.

If Nashville is selling, I would want us to go after Forsberg. Probably a pipe dream but he checks a lot of the boxes for the kind of player I want us to get.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

We had the cap space to sign Hamilton at 9M, too. But blank checks are not how this front office does business, and that's a very, very good thing.


If he was worth $10M he wouldn't be leaving San Jose.

That isn’t why he is leaving. Why would SJ pay the 10 million and lose him for nothing? they can trade him for something really good instead.

If SJ had a chance of winning next season, he wouldn’t be available

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

We had the cap space to sign Hamilton at 9M, too. But blank checks are not how this front office does business, and that's a very, very good thing.


If he was worth $10M he wouldn't be leaving San Jose.

Canes would've easily paid Hamilton $9M for one season. The Canes didn't want to pay Hamilton $9M/year for 7 seasons until he was 35 years old. There is a stark difference there.

 

[Stickpucker]

If Nashville is selling, I would want us to go after Forsberg. Probably a pipe dream but he checks a lot of the boxes for the kind of player I want us to get.

<3 Forsberg. Can someone share fancy pictures that compare Forsberg & Meier?

Do those fancy pics usually come from the Athletic?

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

We had the cap space to sign Hamilton at 9M, too. But blank checks are not how this front office does business, and that's a very, very good thing.


If he was worth $10M he wouldn't be leaving San Jose. Remember, the entire reason he's on the trade block is because everyone in the league thinks that $10M QO offer is a poison pill because he's not a $10M player.

The $10M QO is a poison pill for most teams because they're stuck tightly against the cap ceiling in a way that the Canes are not.

 

[chaz4hockey]

If no one can be secured for a reasonable price does any team want to give us another Jarvis-type pick for us to maximize space return?

 

[cptjeff]

Canes would've easily paid Hamilton $9M for one season. The Canes didn't want to pay Hamilton $9M/year for 7 seasons until he was 35 years old. There is a stark difference there.

We weren't gonna pay Hamilton $9M for one season either. Our internal valuation was around $6.5M. Can they pay a million, million and a half above that? Sure. 9? Don't make me laugh.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

We weren't gonna pay Hamilton $9M for one season either. Our internal valuation was around $6.5M. Can they pay a million, million and a half above that? Sure. 9? Don't make me laugh.

It was $6.5M per for 8 seasons. His prime years are worth far more than $6.5M. It was the decline years that Carolina was concerned about.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

For the skeptics of the team’s true interest in the player, on his pod, LeBrun said that “ they really, really want Timo Meier”.

~19:20 for the Canes segment

1. I don’t think anyone questioned the interest but more so the willingness.

2. They all said NJ wants him more

 

[Svechhammer]

<3 Forsberg. Can someone share fancy pictures that compare Forsberg & Meier?

Do those fancy pics usually come from the Athletic?

We would probably have to trade Jarvis++ for Forsberg given he signed 8 years $8.5m AAV last summer..... But it would be worth it

 

[Rad ChaLose]

1. I don’t think anyone questioned the interest but more so the willingness.

2. They all said NJ wants him more

They also later said Carolina has told SJ that they would trade for him without even talking to his agent about an extension. Which may help tip the scale.

 

[MinJaBen]

For the skeptics of the team’s true interest in the player, on his pod, LeBrun said that “ they really, really want Timo Meier”.

~19:20 for the Canes segment

True interest doesn't mean willing to pay the price. I have genuine interest in owning a 1961 Ferrari 250 GT California, but I am unwilling to pay market price for it. Now, if I can get a working one for $10K, I'll buy it. Of course, I am delusional.


Given the history so far of the Canes and market prices, I remain skeptical that they have any "true interest" until they pay what the market demands, not what the Canes feel is the value.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

They also later said Carolina has told SJ that they would trade for him without even talking to his agent about an extension. Which may help tip the scale.

This is the point that I'm trying to hammer. They would not make statements like that if they were afraid of the QO.

 

[cptjeff]

This is the point that I'm trying to hammer. They would not make statements like that if they were afraid of the QO.

Willingness to trade without an extension in place doesn't mean they're prepared to pay a major price to do so. If the cost is just a pick and a prospect, you take him on as a pure rental and hope you can maybe sign him, but if you don't, oh well. If the cost is Jarvis, you don't make that trade. I don't think that means much of anything. Of course we're willing to trade for him without an extension. Any team that doesn't have to send cap back would be. In itself, that means nothing.

 

[Svechhammer]

I also think that if we do trade for Meier, an extension would follow shortly thereafter. We'll be willing to pay his asking price (starting with a 9).... I bet we'd even be willing to go 8 years $9m+ for him, as it would only take him to being 34, which should minimize time on his downswing.

 

[Borsig]

LOL, "power move", yeah maybe if the borg wants to power-bottom for Boston.

Dude it bothers me you know that term. I had to Google that and now I feel dirty.

 

[Stickpucker]

We would probably have to trade Jarvis++ for Forsberg given he signed 8 years $8.5m AAV last summer..... But it would be worth it

Thanks for this...are these from someone's twitter or a site? (I'm not on twitter)

...what's crazy about this is looking at Forsberg's g/60 being that high and he only gets 2nd line TOI in Nashville. Who do they give the extra TOI to? He's also better defensively and on the pp than Meier. Both have elite pp qbs in Josi and Karlsson but you'd think Forsberg could help out pp more.

I like that both aren't afraid to lay the body.

The competition % and teammates...can someone elaborate on what those categories mean? Higher % faced higher QoC?

 

[MadeUpName]

I could see Carolina trading for an extention-less Meier and a transitional asset slash Playoff juice.

Carolina deals Morrow + 1st for Meier. The team goes deep in the Playoffs. Meier plays well, raising his own value. Best case scenario Carolina wins a Cup and Meier is now a legitimate $10 million winger. Mutually beneficial.

Now Carolina goes into the Draft with a premium assets. If they won't/can't sign him then they find a hockey deal with some team that can sign him. Recoup $0.75 on the dollar or better.

 

[Stickpucker]

Dude it bothers me you know that term. I had to Google that and now I feel dirty.

Probably some army spec ops thing eh?

 

[WreckingCrew]

Carolina isn't paying that $10M qualifying offer, it's quite irrelevant here. He's a UFA unless a mutual agreement is reached.

Isn't this kinda what we did with the KK Offer Sheet though? We paid to pry him away at an overpay contract nobody else could afford, risked losing him for nothing bc of the resulting QO, then worked to sign him to a longer & more reasonably priced deal. Likewise we could afford a 1 season QO overpay with hopes of keeping him longer...but then we're offering rental prices to get him, not the Jarvis/Mercer-level guy they want.

 

[Svechhammer]

Thanks for this...are these from someone's twitter or a site? (I'm not on twitter)

...what's crazy about this is looking at Forsberg's g/60 being that high and he only gets 2nd line TOI in Nashville. Who do they give the extra TOI to? He's also better defensively and on the pp than Meier. Both have elite pp qbs in Josi and Karlsson but you'd think Forsberg could help out pp more.

I like that both aren't afraid to lay the body.

The competition % and teammates...can someone elaborate on what those categories mean? Higher % faced higher QoC?

So these come from a twitter account JFreshHockey, but they run a site where you can get them off patreon.

That said, for these, I just searched for __________ JFresh on a Google Image search (_____ is the player name) and it came up with those results.

As for the players, Filip Forsberg playing here for Brindy is a dream pairing that would completely change our outlook going forward. I'd send Jarvis + Drury + picks to make it happen. A volume shooter with excellent finishing, defensively sound and grinds the hell out of the opponent when on the ice? He'd be the perfect player to add to our roster. I'd easily go all in on getting him here if he was available.

I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell that he's available, though.

 

[WreckingCrew]

So these come from a twitter account JFreshHockey, but they run a site where you can get them off patreon.

That said, for these, I just searched for __________ JFresh on a Google Image search (_____ is the player name) and it came up with those results.

Who is "(insert name here)"? Must be a Musk/Cannon/Newton-type name for a kid

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

True interest doesn't mean willing to pay the price. I have genuine interest in owning a 1961 Ferrari 250 GT California, but I am unwilling to pay market price for it. Now, if I can get a working one for $10K, I'll buy it. Of course, I am delusional.


Given the history so far of the Canes and market prices, I remain skeptical that they have any "true interest" until they pay what the market demands, not what the Canes feel is the value.

Skjei, Kotkaniemi and Hamilton, in particular, were not considered buy lows at the time.

Interest and willingness to pay should be correlated. There’s a difference, using insider parlance, being “around” a player and really, really wanting him. LeBrun used aggressive language there.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Skjei, Kotkaniemi and Hamilton, in particular, were not considered buy lows at the time.

Interest and willingness to pay should be correlated. There’s a difference, using insider parlance, being “around” a player and really, really wanting him. LeBrun used aggressive language there.

I would argue that Kotkaniemi was more mixed. On an asset level, it was a low buy (a pick in the late 20s doesn't normally get you the 3rd overall pick three years removed), but on a cap level, it was a very high buy. I agree about the other two, however. A mid-20s 1st seems like a remarkably low price for Skjei now with 20/20 hindsight, but at the time, teams were only willing to pay that price with cap dumps heading the other way (I remembered that Florida's offer was the Matheson contract + their 1st).