All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XIII - the 23 deadline approaches

[DaveG]

How many has he had the opportunity to develop?

Fleury it was about constant effort. He didn’t compete as much as he should. His offense didn’t translate well either.
Bean? Dude plays small and his shot is only okay. we’re trying to win now, not really nurture his want to play more than he had earned, and not a lot was elite about him. Bean is a less angry and less aggressive TDA. Playmaker, passes well, and is okay at defense. Bean would have done okay next to Slavin but would have been beaten up in the playoffs.
Who else really? Murphy plays smaller than Bean and his offense never progressed.

Morrow has a better shot and has elite playmaking tendencies (I didn’t say he is elite). Also morrow is already bigger than Bean at 4.5 years younger. Will he play bigger? Tbd.

Prettymuch this.

Bean is the only one he had a chance to develop, and he's turning into what most people thought he would be when he didn't take that next step after being drafted: a 2nd pairing OFD that's not a major difference maker.

There's literally no other offensive dman that we've brought up in that timeframe.

Fleury is more of a two-way guy, always has been.
Chatfield is defense first
Keane was RHS Fleury and only got 2 games in before yeeting out to the K

we really haven't had the chance to even get a look at any of our other OFD prospects like Honka, Morrow, or D-Fens yet. Honka and Seeley still feel like they need work defensively in the A before getting a look as well.

 

[ndp]

I'd rather move KK than Jarvis... I think

Jarvis definitely has a shit ton more offensive upside. He’s just got to add the strength to stay on his skates or adjust his play style to where he’s not getting knocked around and giving up possession as much.

It seems like there’s been a few times the past few games, where he’s tried to drive the net, gets knocked off the puck and with one quick outlet pass they had an odd man rush going the other way. On the other hand he had a beautiful one man highlight reel goal in the BOS game.

I don’t know if it’s a coaching thing or him trying to work through his scoring struggles but it feels like he’s been puck hogging a little lately. Like, once he gets the puck he’s going to either drive the net or shoot. Aho 6G last five games, Jarvis 0 assists? I know Rods system is shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot but sometimes the shot just ain’t there. And that line doesn’t have the big body puck retrieval that the others do so it seems like shot selection would be a little more important.

Again I’m not as high on Jarvis as most, I see him topping out as a 60pt winger unless he adds some serious muscle. All I know is this team needs a first line scoring winger today, and while Jarvis might eventually become that, right now he ain’t it.

 

[Svechhammer]

If Jarvis goes then he is the premium piece. Carolina keeps Morrow, Drury and Nikishin in that case.

Based on SJ fans expectations they do not expect Jarvis or Mercer to be available at all. Much less adding 2-3 good assets on top.

Completely fair.

I'm just saying, if the return is an extended Meier, then I'm willing to pay the ultra premium price to bring him in (Jarvis, Morrow, 1st plus maybe a 3rd and Rees or Bokk something). I see Meier as a long term upgrade for Jarvis, and while Morrow is a prospect, its still an unknown, as is the 1st, and I'm not sure Rees will ever have a major impact in the NHL.

And if that's considered an overpayment, great. Then I'm comfortable with whatever price it would cost to bring him in with an extension. And given his QO and the fact he'll be a RFA, I'd consider bringing him in even without the extension, it just wouldn't cost us Jarvis.

 

[bleedgreen]

Jarvis definitely has a shit ton more offensive upside. He’s just got to add the strength to stay on his skates or adjust his play style to where he’s not getting knocked around and giving up possession as much.

It seems like there’s been a few times the past few games, where he’s tried to drive the net, gets knocked off the puck and with one quick outlet pass they had an odd man rush going the other way. On the other hand he had a beautiful one man highlight reel goal in the BOS game.

I don’t know if it’s a coaching thing or him trying to work through his scoring struggles but it feels like he’s been puck hogging a little lately. Like, once he gets the puck he’s going to either drive the net or shoot. Aho 6G last five games, Jarvis 0 assists? I know Rods system is shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot but sometimes the shot just ain’t there. And that line doesn’t have the big body puck retrieval that the others do so it seems like shot selection would be a little more important.

Again I’m not as high on Jarvis as most, I see him topping out as a 60pt winger unless he adds some serious muscle. All I know is this team needs a first line scoring winger today, and while Jarvis might eventually become that, right now he ain’t it.

A consistent 60 pt winger out of a 13th or wherever we took Jarvis draft pick is a dream come true. If you see him topping out there I’ll take it every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Jarvis is fine. They love that he beats people to the puck even if he’s gonna take a beating. It’s a sophomore slump, the league knows who he is now and he has to make some adaptations. I suspect he’ll be fine and people turning on him after a few months of coming back to earth smacks of people turning on Necas, who despite the “bad” year was a strong and obvious candidate to improve on that “bad” year. Even though Necas had massive confidence issues he still put up the same pts as the previous year despite moving all over the lineup. Pretty obvious once he got confidence back he was going to maintain the upward trend of his career numbers.

I see the same in Jarvis. Next year is when you worry, when he puts up a good year right before his new contract and he shows he’s someone you really want to keep.

 

[ndp]

A consistent 60 pt winger out of a 13th or wherever we took Jarvis draft pick is a dream come true. If you see him topping out there I’ll take it every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Jarvis is fine. They love that he beats people to the puck even if he’s gonna take a beating. It’s a sophomore slump, the league knows who he is now and he has to make some adaptations. I suspect he’ll be fine and people turning on him after a few months of coming back to earth smacks of people turning on Necas, who despite the “bad” year was a strong and obvious candidate to improve on that “bad” year. Even though Necas had massive confidence issues he still put up the same pts as the previous year despite moving all over the lineup. Pretty obvious once he got confidence back he was going to maintain the upward trend of his career numbers.

I see the same in Jarvis. Next year is when you worry, when he puts up a good year right before his new contract and he shows he’s someone you really want to keep.

I agree with this 100%, if Jarvis tops out as a 60pt winger that perfectly acceptable. I’ve seen anywhere from 60pt winger to Brayden Point comparisons.

But if I had a chance to trade a 60pt winger for a 26 year old 30G, PPG winger entering his prime, who hits like a Mac truck, and drops the gloves when needed and all it costs is an added 1st to do it. I make that trade all day everyday.

Edit to add: I don’t think its a trade that’s going to happen. I think they’ve been talking up Jarvis on the broadcasts a lot lately because if/when it comes out that the ask for Meier was Jarvis + they’ve laid the groundwork for why the deal wasn’t done. At least that’s my theory. Marketing 101.

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

With the way that Jarvis plays the game lower body strength will be the key to maximizing his potential. A couple of years focused on growing tree trunks could make him a much more effective player.

 

[ndp]

With the way that Jarvis plays the game lower body strength will be the key to maximizing his potential. A couple of years focused on growing tree trunks could make him a much more effective player.

Absolutely, if he can get that Aho, Crosby style leg and core strength he’ll be A-OK.

 

[bleedgreen]

I agree with this 100%, if Jarvis tops out as a 60pt winger that perfectly acceptable. I’ve seen anywhere from 60pt winger to Brayden Point comparisons.

But if I had a chance to trade a 60pt winger for a 26 year old 30G, PPG winger entering his prime, who hits like a Mac truck, and drops the gloves when needed and all it costs is an added 1st to do it. I make that trade all day everyday.

Edit to add: I don’t think its a trade that’s going to happen. I think they’ve been talking up Jarvis on the broadcasts a lot lately because if/when it comes out that the ask for Meier was Jarvis + they’ve laid the groundwork for why the deal wasn’t done. At least that’s my theory. Marketing 101.

I agree Meier would be a positive addition, but every time someone describes him it gets bigger and bigger. He’s basically Chuck Norris at this point.

But yeah I’d trade for him too.

 

[Unsustainable]

Meier is a better version of Nino

 

[mikeyfan]

Seeing where Teams are asking the Flyers about Kevin Hayes, 30 year old center with 3 years remaining at 7.15 cap hit.

Should the Canes be kicking the tires on this? I don't know that much about him.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Jarvis definitely has a shit ton more offensive upside. He’s just got to add the strength to stay on his skates or adjust his play style to where he’s not getting knocked around and giving up possession as much.

It seems like there’s been a few times the past few games, where he’s tried to drive the net, gets knocked off the puck and with one quick outlet pass they had an odd man rush going the other way. On the other hand he had a beautiful one man highlight reel goal in the BOS game.

I don’t know if it’s a coaching thing or him trying to work through his scoring struggles but it feels like he’s been puck hogging a little lately. Like, once he gets the puck he’s going to either drive the net or shoot. Aho 6G last five games, Jarvis 0 assists? I know Rods system is shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot but sometimes the shot just ain’t there. And that line doesn’t have the big body puck retrieval that the others do so it seems like shot selection would be a little more important.

Again I’m not as high on Jarvis as most, I see him topping out as a 60pt winger unless he adds some serious muscle. All I know is this team needs a first line scoring winger today, and while Jarvis might eventually become that, right now he ain’t it.

I think for the most part that's less of a Jarvis problem and more of a roster-construction problem. If we had just one guy who was skilled enough to play near the top and physical enough to knock in some heads (i.e. Ferland) he'd be waltzing around preying on opponents. As it is, we're not physical enough to threaten or intimidate anyone, so they know they can gun for/run a guy like Jarvis and largely neutralize him without repurcussion. He can be a damn wizard with the puck on his stick, sometimes too greedy, but how many times have we seen beautiful dishes to an open man with an open net miss the damn net completely? Jarvis has been a champ so far, he takes those runs and keeps on trucking, just hopefully he doesn't get Trouba-trucked again or something like that or his career could get derailed.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Seeing where Teams are asking the Flyers about Kevin Hayes, 30 year old center with 3 years remaining at 7.15 cap hit.

Should the Canes be kicking the tires on this? I don't know that much about him.

for retention and cheap yes. If Torts took him off center, Im sure Rod would likely not like him at center either. we probably steer clear.

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

Meier is a better version of Nino

Why he gotta be Swiss?

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I agree Meier would be a positive addition, but every time someone describes him it gets bigger and bigger. He’s basically Chuck Norris at this point.

But yeah I’d trade for him too.

I mean - he’s immediately in our Aho/Svech/Necas tier, no?

 

[SlavinAway]

I mean - he’s immediately in our Aho/Svech/Necas tier, no?

Unless his play completely dropped off then I would say absolutely yes.

 

[MinJaBen]

Unless his play completely dropped off then I would say absolutely yes.

I guess it depends when it drops off, if it is in the second half of the season, then it is still in our Svech tier, right?

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Meier has had a very attractive EV/PP split of 90/34 over the past two seasons (the beginning of his prime?). Aho's 80/40 with similar GP, for context.

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[Derailed75]

Guys lets face it. If we are going all in for the Cup we are not moving Jarvis or KK. We are trading picks and prospects, bringing in a guy like Meier and putting someone like Stasny, Steppan on waivers.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I won't speak for bleed, but I almost posted something similar, so here's how it seems to me. Meier is an amazing player we'd be incredibly fortunate to have. But I think based on his career, bringing up anything related to his fighting ability (willing to drop the gloves), for instance, might be a bit much. It almost sounds like he's getting built up to be prime Lindros in some of the descriptions. I'll be thrilled if we land him, but the legend does seem to grow and grow, so to speak. He's not going to make or break this team or our deadline. I hope people handle it well when we probably don't land him.

 

[ndp]

I mean - he’s immediately in our Aho/Svech/Necas tier, no?

He would be leading the Hurricanes in goals this season, second to Aho last season, and he can do this…



And some of this..



And most importantly…

 

[bleedgreen]

I won't speak for bleed, but I almost posted something similar, so here's how it seems to me. Meier is an amazing player we'd be incredibly fortunate to have. But I think based on his career, bringing up anything related to his fighting ability (willing to drop the gloves), for instance, might be a bit much. It almost sounds like he's getting built up to be prime Lindros in some of the descriptions. I'll be thrilled if we land him, but the legend does seem to grow and grow, so to speak. He's not going to make or break this team or our deadline. I hope people handle it well when we probably don't land him.

What this guy says.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

In the end some middle of the road team (Islanders esque) will grab Meier as that 14-19 pick will have more value in a trade in this draft than NJ's or our 26+ pick. Any other draft and it likely isnt a big deal. Buffalo is my guess. Mittlestadt, a good prospect, and a 1st (top 10-12 protected).

 

[Svechhammer]

I mean - he’s immediately in our Aho/Svech/Necas tier, no?

Yes. Similar skill set but more of a shooter than a passer, but has upper tier passing ability. He's not a guy who is going to go out and throw devastating hits every time he's on the ice, but he's a guy who plays with an edge and isn't afraid to hit.

He's not going to challenge for the Hart at any time, but he's absolutely someone who could step in and immediately be our leading scorer going forward, especially if he's able to convert the feeds he'd be getting from the guys he's be playing alongside of on our top 6.

In my opinion, he's the kind of player who would complete the makeup of this team to add the scoring punch to the end of our passes, and he can create his own shot when teams tighten up. He'd be a major help on the PP as well as give us needed scoring punch when teams take away passing lanes in the playoffs. He would add that missing ingredient that would make us a nightmare to play, and if there is a chance to get him, we gotta do it.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

In the end some middle of the road team (Islanders esque) will grab Meier as that 14-19 pick will have more value in a trade in this draft than NJ's or our 26+ pick. Any other draft and it likely isnt a big deal. Buffalo is my guess. Mittlestadt, a good prospect, and a 1st (top 10-12 protected).

Unless New Jersey offers Mercer or if Carolina offers Jarvis. Then that will drastically change.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Skilled and a tank. 6' 220# is a big big boy. I'd happily take him and trade good pieces the other way to extend, but so would every other team. We'll see.