All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XIII - the 23 deadline approaches

[hblueridgegal]

Well, as far as Sunday evening reading, this didn't disappoint. Might have been better if @Svechhammer didn't have the inside info and went a little more crazy as a result

I hope and believe we'll still make moves to get better, but there would be a certain train wreck entertainment value to doing nothing and watching the reactions.....

Can I ask..are you really ok with a first or second round exit? Never getting to the promised land again?

 

[User13452]

Hey what's over here on the clearance rack?

Chychrun wouldn’t be on the clearance rack lol

 

[MinJaBen]

Schmaltz and Crouse and Chychrun.

Oooo, oooo, ooooo……and Keller and the goalie I can’t spell.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Chychrun would fit the "get talent, fit later" approach to asset management that the Canes are sometimes known for depending on context. Chychrun is the best overall talent remaining, so if Meier is gone, Chychrun is the biggest needle mover realistically available on the market, position be damned.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

necas: last 5 games, when the switch was made: 2G, 5P, +4.

I'll take more players to be "non-factors" like that.


So you're suggesting that SJS took an inferior return?

The two goals he's scored were on the PP and when Svech and Statsny were the other two forwards on the ice (so I assume some kind of weird line change?) Doesn't really factor into the line's overall play.

At even-strength, the line is noticably out of whack. They did put up a strong showing against Washington, but as I said, for the other four games, you've got the individual players making great plays (such as KK's breakaway yesterday) but the line itself isn't meshing. Especially compared to the Svech/Aho/Jarvis line.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

i Know the individual is old, But do you think the Canes could entice the Senators to trade Claude Giroux? Reasonable contract Good PP numbers and excellent FO percentage? i would rather have him than Schmaltz

No. We/they love him and he’s the only guy with any type of meaningful NHL experience on the damn roster.

 

[Borsig]

I mean sure, lets go grab an expensive ass D man when we need like 2 forwards. Why not?

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I mean sure, lets go grab an expensive ass D man when we need like 2 forwards. Why not?

Easy answer: He's by far the best talent known to be available at this deadline.

 

[Brock Anton]

Chychrun would fit the "get talent, fit later" approach to asset management that the Canes are sometimes known for depending on context. Chychrun is the best overall talent remaining, so if Meier is gone, Chychrun is the biggest needle mover realistically available on the market, position be damned.

Not going to help when we’re all upset that we’re scoring 1-2 goals a game in the playoffs again.

As I said before Chychrun the player is great, Chychrun however makes absolutely zero sense to acquire when we have a massive hole in the top six.

 

[Tryamw]

Can I ask..are you really ok with a first or second round exit? Never getting to the promised land again?

No... I wouldn't However I also know that if SJ told us the only way we were getting Meier is Jarvis and 2 firsts I'd hang up the Phone Before the firsts finished coming out of Greier's mouth.

The thing is going into this season Did I think we had a chance? Yes.. and I liked out Big (But low cost) move.

Injuries Messed that up..

I Would NOT be ok With OVER paying to certain degrees that some here seem fine with (You do you) Because even now I think Next year we'll have a #$@$ good team still. But yes I want a nibble of something and Meier Fit that.. anything that shortens our chances I wouldn't like. Do I like the devils getting Meier.. No.. no no..
But many predicted that as the likely result..
I don't know the moves that will aid us and not F us over.. I just don't pay that close of attention to contracts and remaining years for others..
I want us to make a good move still
Our opinions on that may vary.

So Given todays current Climate What moves are available what are the prices?
We can't do much about the trades that have already been completed so now What do we do where do we go?
dundon and Waddell have both indicated they wanted to make some moves this season
Last season they said minor moves.. (Domi counted)
There is still time..
Does this news suck? Yeah..
But now we have to concentrate on other moves..

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

The two goals he's scored were on the PP a

OTT wasn't on the PP.
WSH: his goal was on the PP, but his 2 assists were ES.
MTL: his assist was ES

So 1 of his 5 points was PP.

At even-strength, the line is noticably out of whack. They did put up a strong showing against Washington, but as I said, for the other four games, you've got the individual players making great plays (such as KK's breakaway yesterday) but the line itself isn't meshing. Especially compared to the Svech/Aho/Jarvis line.

Yes, their Svech/aho/jarvis line has been better, but to say Necas has been a non-factor is wrong. and drawing conclusions from 5 games is short-sighted. Maybe with more games, they'll change it up if it's ineffective.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Chychrun only makes sense as a Skjei replacement, and I can't see Brind'amour happy to mess with top 4 chemistry heading into the slaughter that is 2nd round metro

I mean i guess trade for him, put him on the 3rd pair (which has been great for their role when its de haan-chatfield) then trade skjei in the summer?

 

[User13452]

Not going to help when we’re all upset that we’re scoring 1-2 goals a game in the playoffs again.

As I said before Chychrun the player is great, Chychrun however makes absolutely zero sense to acquire when we have a massive hole in the top six.

Ya but I’m pretty sure they will also get at least 1 forward

 

[MadeUpName]

Not going to help when we’re all upset that we’re scoring 1-2 goals a game in the playoffs again.

As I said before Chychrun the player is great, Chychrun however makes absolutely zero sense to acquire when we have a massive hole in the top six.

Acquiring Chychrun doesn't eliminate the possibility to add a top-6. He would only take up $4.6 million of the $9-10 million in space. Plenty of room to add any rental forward with retention or a ~$5 million long-term piece.

 

[Borsig]

I dont see really any good long term moves left. Not that help this year. Paying a high price for a D man is dumb when you have great D and need a center.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Chychrun could help on the PP. That's part of the reason why the goals aren't there come playoff time.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Chychrun only makes sense as a Skjei replacement, and I can't see Brind'amour happy to mess with top 4 chemistry heading into the slaughter that is 2nd round metro

I mean i guess trade for him, put him on the 3rd pair (which has been great for their role when its de haan-chatfield) then trade skjei in the summer?

This makes the most sense in the event of a Chychrun acquisition. One thing to note is that Chychrun would only be 27 when his contract expires, making him a better target for a UFA resigning than the other defensemen on our team.

 

[MadeUpName]

Chychrun only makes sense as a Skjei replacement, and I can't see Brind'amour happy to mess with top 4 chemistry heading into the slaughter that is 2nd round metro

I mean i guess trade for him, put him on the 3rd pair (which has been great for their role when its de haan-chatfield) then trade skjei in the summer?

Chychrun plays left and right so conceivably he could replace Skjei or Pesce. It would give Carolina flexibility going into extension talks with the two this Summer. They have made moves like that in the past. "Here's your potential replacement so be reasonable"

 

[MinJaBen]

Not going to help when we’re all upset that we’re scoring 1-2 goals a game in the playoffs again.

As I said before Chychrun the player is great, Chychrun however makes absolutely zero sense to acquire when we have a massive hole in the top six.

“Hey Burnsie, funny story….remember how you used to play forward a long time ago?”

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I dont see really any good long term moves left. Not that help this year. Paying a high price for a D man is dumb when you have great D and need a center.

we need depth. We have no forwards and no D that I'd be comfortable putting into full time play if we get an injury. I agree we don't need to pay a high price, but imo, we need a scoring forward and a D.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

If the move is a Chychrun and Crouse package deal, I may actually prefer that trade over Meier. I think that in aggregate, the combination of those two would be better than what just one Meier could provide.

 

[hblueridgegal]

No... I wouldn't However I also know that if SJ told us the only way we were getting Meier is Jarvis and 2 firsts I'd hang up the Phone Before the firsts finished coming out of Greier's mouth.

The thing is going into this season Did I think we had a chance? Yes.. and I liked out Big (But low cost) move.

Injuries Messed that up..

I Would NOT be ok With OVER paying to certain degrees that some here seem fine with (You do you) Because even now I think Next year we'll have a #$@$ good team still. But yes I want a nibble of something and Meier Fit that.. anything that shortens our chances I wouldn't like. Do I like the devils getting Meier.. No.. no no..
But many predicted that as the likely result..
I don't know the moves that will aid us and not F us over.. I just don't pay that close of attention to contracts and remaining years for others..
I want us to make a good move still
Our opinions on that may vary.

So Given todays current Climate What moves are available what are the prices?
We can't do much about the trades that have already been completed so now What do we do where do we go?
dundon and Waddell have both indicated they wanted to make some moves this season
Last season they said minor moves.. (Domi counted)
There is still time..
Does this news suck? Yeah..
But now we have to concentrate on other moves..

Thank you for the response. I understand where you are coming from on this front. I wish I trusted our front office more. I think they are really good at storytelling, crafting responses and hyping - packaging a product the market wants and is receptive to spending dollars on. Yet, as you see today, they turtle and hide when things go south. Wait for the smoke to clear, etc.

At some point, the "10 year history" excuse will wear thin and folks will expect results. Particularly, with a younger audience, that didn't really live it.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Can I ask..are you really ok with a first or second round exit? Never getting to the promised land again?

I mean, I'll be ok if that happens, but obviously, I want the team to win it all as many times as possible. But I have my own view of how things are. People look at small sample sizes of past champions and try to create an exact template on how to win or create the reasons why they think we lost in a given year and figure out what was missing. That's just not how I see things.

I don't freak out at most moves we make at this point or failure to make certain moves because I think there are many ways to win rounds and win championships. And these moves wouldn't guarantee anything. The majority of the moves that people are so upset we haven't made won't lead to any more than us even if we flame out again. I also think that just because across a small sample of champions a certain method of winning hasn't been done yet, doesn't mean it can't be done that way. So, I'm willing to give this one a chance given the caliber of team it's been able to put together even missing out on moves. I think this team even as it currently stands could win it all, but it could certainly have a slightly higher chance with the right moves.

I am interested in the way the team is run and they've given me a largely entertaining product. I don't always agree with it or think it's perfect, but I think it's run in an interesting way and has produced largely good results. At a certain point, after you get into the playoffs, sure some teams have a slightly better chance than others, but I don't think it's really that far of a percentage spread amongst most of the top teams no matter what moves they make. There's every chance we're San Jose and don't win a championship or we could end up as Washington or Colorado who everyone gave a hard time for not making it far enough, and then they did.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

And you don’t think he’d waive to come to Carolina? He’s never won the cup, and he knows he will never have a chance with the Sens

He signed with Ottawa because its his hometown. So, no.

 

[Sens1Canes2]

we need depth. We have no forwards and no D that I'd be comfortable putting into full time play if we get an injury. I agree we don't need to pay a high price, but imo, we need a scoring forward and a D.

It’s actually pretty amazing (and alarming) … I was thinking this exact same thing today. Who’s the 13th Forward right now? Stepan is flipping with… who? I’m drawing a blank. I know Coughlan is the 7th D (shudder). Depth simply for injuries is an absolute must right now. At bare minimum.