All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XIII - the 23 deadline approaches

[Sigurd]

he's not much of a cap dump. He's got the remainder of the season @2.5M left and a UFA after next year. That's like $700K in real dollars.

Even so, we would've just needed retention at MOST and not retention AND a cap dump as they did with New Jersey.

It's also not like San Jose is only retaining a little bit for Meier; it's 50% FFS. This whole trade saga at best is strange, but shady as f*** at worst IMO.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Two firsts definitely not nickels.

Jersey firsts will be very late firsts in both years......to give up Meier for players that might be 3rd liners in 2027-8 is madness.

 

[Tryamw]

I hate most of us. Particularly @Boom Boom Apathy

I hate that guy too and @HisIceness.. Always giving @HisIceness a bad time (TM) and I'm not even sold one @DaveG . I can put up with most of you.. in small controlled doses.. (TIC POST)

 

[MinJaBen]

Because teams don't give up those guys at the deadline. Fans like to think they do, but teams don't. you get picks and guys like Roland McKeown.

Well, can’t afford to give that up here in Carolina. Who would we then have to waste away in the minors for a decade?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

For Meier at 50% retained and another player?

it's pretty bad

The "other player' is a 29 year old AHL/NHL tweener. worthless.

 

[MadeUpName]

Because teams don't give up those guys at the deadline. Fans like to think they do, but teams don't. you get picks and guys like Roland McKeown.

That's fair but it applies to Meier as well. I can't recall the last time a player like him was moved at the deadline. 40 goal RFA with 1 year left who may re-sign.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Espresso martinis make moments such as these so much easier to bear here in Camelback. If y'all wanna chuckle...the avocado toast is $29! Sort of a nice segway with the market rate for roster players.

Luckily for me, I am a customer at this boondoggle..so the offers are amazing..Top Golf here, exclusive Tequila tasting there, blah blah cocktails...join us for dinner on the rooftop here. I feel guilty as I have already locked in my budget for the year..again, kinda like the Canes.

 

[Borsig]

Honestly at this point, you've f***ing sat on your hands so long, and got strung along by SJ so long, you might as well take cap dumps and use the space before the draft or in free agency.

Probably nothing out there that moves the needle for us now or that isn't a desperation move.

 

[chaz4hockey]

 

[MadeUpName]

Put another way - if Carolina ended up with Meier for 2023 1st + Drury (Zetterlund) + 2024 1st (conditional) + Ryan Suzuki (recent 1st that has been so-so) then I think most posters would be happy they kept Morrow and Nikishin

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

That's fair but it applies to Meier as well. I can't recall the last time a player like him was moved at the deadline. 40 goal RFA with 1 year left who may re-sign.

True, but I can't remember the last time an RFA with a $10m QO was moved at the deadline, who may not re-sign.

 

[Sigurd]

1st, philly's 2nd, and Morrow for Meier no retain and no bad deal going back is a better deal. Heck im sure we could have added something if they had continued the negotiations.

I feel the same way.

They didn't even give up Holtz. New Jersey got a great deal. Them giving up a 1st round from two years in a row when they're gonna be around the late 20s isn't bad for a player of Meier's talent. The prospects aren't anything special we couldn't beat.

 

[chaz4hockey]

Espresso martinis make moments such as these so much easier to bear here in Camelback. If y'all wanna chuckle...the avocado toast is $29! Sort of a nice segway with the market rate for roster players.

Luckily for me, I am a customer at this boondoggle..so the offers are amazing..Top Golf here, exclusive Tequila tasting there, blah blah cocktails...join us for dinner on the rooftop here. I feel guilty as I have already locked in my budget for the year..again, kinda like the Canes.

Az in late Feb. is top shelf....enjoy it!

 

[Svechhammer]

The more info that comes out, knowing how hard we were going after Meier on this, and knowing how angry Waddell was last night, it's becoming clear we got done dirty on this whole thing.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Put another way - if Carolina ended up with Meier for 2023 1st + Drury (Zetterlund) + 2024 1st (conditional) + Ryan Suzuki (recent 1st that has been so-so) then I think most posters would be happy they kept Morrow and Nikishin

It sounds like Carolina was willing to give up Morrow+1st+high 2nd and no cap dump for Meier. I guess that Grier preferred to draft more of his own players rather than acquire a top prospect like Morrow that's already somewhat formed. That's his prerogative, but I don't know if it works out. It depends on how well that they draft.

 

[MadeUpName]

It sounds like Carolina was willing to give up Morrow+1st+high 2nd and no cap dump for Meier. I guess that Grier preferred to draft more of his own players rather than acquire a top prospect like Morrow that's already somewhat formed. That's his prerogative, but I don't know if it works out. It depends on how well that they draft.

That assumes that Carolina wouldn't be willing to swap out Morrow for their 2024 1st which sounds nonsensical to me. But that certainly could be the case.

I think Grier liked Zetterlund and Muk. That is his prerogative certainly.

 

[chaz4hockey]

I feel the same way.

They didn't even give up Holtz. New Jersey got a great deal. Them giving up a 1st round from two years in a row when they're gonna be around the late 20s isn't bad for a player of Meier's talent. The prospects aren't anything special we couldn't beat.

Philly's 2nd is only 10 slots away from Jersey's 1st. Morrow aside, we weren't offering as many possible future NHL players though

 

[WreckingCrew]

That seems like an easily beatable package unless they just didn't want to deal to us.

 

[Canes]

It is what it is at this point. I think we could have a similiar or better offer and maybe we did but Grier preferred the Devils offer, we'll probably never know for sure. Hopefully the Borg can pull a rabbit out of a hat at the deadline somehow.

 

[LakeLivin]

Slightly better package, still sort of underwhelming though. Guess the Canes didn't want to do that type of quantity for quality trade themselves.

Chatfield can play his off side.

What makes you think they didn't? As stated earlier, reports were that SJ was going to give NJ the right of last refusal. Canes could have made a very similar offer, SJ showed it to NJ who matched it, and SJ accepted. That certainly would explain why Waddell was so pissed.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Put another way - if Carolina ended up with Meier for 2023 1st + Drury (Zetterlund) + 2024 1st (conditional) + Ryan Suzuki (recent 1st that has been so-so) then I think most posters would be happy they kept Morrow and Nikishin

that's fair. but maybe SJ views Drury as a 4th liner at best (he struggle there this year) and Suzuki's barely played the last 3 years. maybe they felt Zettrlund and SM Were better prospects. Just speculating.

I agree that we'd be ecstatic with only giving that up, but I suspect that SJS were just as underwhelmed if that was the offer.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Yeah, that return is garbage for SJ. Gotta believe Carolina offered a better package, but (for whatever reason) SJ or Meier preferred NJ. It is what it is.

 

[Identity404]

 

[Canes]

What makes you think they didn't? As stated earlier, reports were that SJ was going to give NJ the right of last refusal. Canes could have made a very similar offer, SJ showed it to NJ who matched it, and SJ accepted. That certainly would explain why Waddell was so pissed.

Mostly the fact that we're always the runner up or an afterthought in trades for highly coveted players like Meier and Tkachuk? I mean they certainly could have had a similar or better offer but it's kind of weird we never get the player in question and are only mentioned as afterthoughts once the trades go through.

 

[Svechhammer]

Mostly the fact that we're always the runner up or an afterthought in trades for highly coveted players like Meier and Tkachuk? I mean they certainly could have had a similar or better offer but it's kind of weird we never get the player in question and are only mentioned as afterthoughts once the trades go through.

Our offer was not the reason we didn't get Meier