All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XII - The UFA frenzy aftermath

[NotOpie]

A massive cap increase usually means that the entire league spends like drunkards that whole offseason. Knowing that fact, I'm sure that the Canes want to save as much cap as possible for Jarvis/Necas/Aho.

I believe that the Canes will do everything possible to get those guy locked up next Summer and then they will see how they could distribute the rest of the remaining cap. I believe that if you see a big jump in cap next year, the following year's increase will be somewhat muted.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Seeing our priorities of the 23-24 season then following year extensions for next off-season, I would expect quick one year extension for Pacioretty and a short term deal for CdH, likely. Spend the rest of the off-season prior to UFA possibly making a trade for another winger and then trying to extend Aho and maybe Pesce. We probably see what Skjei wants too. Those initial discussions will determine what we do at the draft.

 

[MinJaBen]

Seeing our priorities of the 23-24 season then following year extensions for next off-season, I would expect quick one year extension for Pacioretty and a short term deal for CdH, likely. Spend the rest of the off-season prior to UFA possibly making a trade for another winger and then trying to extend Aho and maybe Pesce. We probably see what Skjei wants too. Those initial discussions will determine what we do at the draft.

I'm not sure why everyone thinks we are going to extend Patches. He was our second choice, we didn't spend any assets to get him, he is and will not be cheap, he is hurt a lot, and he will be looking for a contract longer than a year. What am I missing that makes everyone think we will sign him to a one year contract?

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I'm not sure why everyone thinks we are going to extend Patches. He was our second choice, we didn't spend any assets to get him, he is and will not be cheap, he is hurt a lot, and he will be looking for a contract longer than a year. What am I missing that makes everyone think we will sign him to a one year contract?

For all the reasons you mentioned is why teams are unlikely to sign him long term.
1. Hurt the last 2 seasons
2. 30 goal potential which will raise the asking price
3. Age compounded with number 1
4. Being a mid 30s guy, he’ll wants to win too.

He can accomplish number 4 while erasing doubts of 1 and 3, by signing a 1 year gig here. The roster will be deep enough for him to excel. He’ll still be young enough to get a decent 2-3 year deal from a young and up-and-coming team to provide leadership and goal scoring.

Is this a foregone conclusion, of course not, but I see it as a probable scenario. Of course the market plays a big factor in it. Who makes it to UFA and where is Pacioretty in the pecking order? If Larkin, Pasta, and a couple of others don’t make it to UFA, then sure he probably gets a good deal from someone because he is the best available.

 

[MinJaBen]

For all the reasons you mentioned is why teams are unlikely to sign him long term.
1. Hurt the last 2 seasons
2. 30 goal potential which will raise the asking price
3. Age compounded with number 1
4. Being a mid 30s guy, he’ll wants to win too.

He can accomplish number 4 while erasing doubts of 1 and 3, by signing a 1 year gig here. The roster will be deep enough for him to excel. He’ll still be young enough to get a decent 2-3 year deal from a young and up-and-coming team to provide leadership and goal scoring.

Is this a foregone conclusion, of course not, but I see it as a probable scenario. Of course the market plays a big factor in it. Who makes it to UFA and where is Pacioretty in the pecking order? If Larkin, Pasta, and a couple of others don’t make it to UFA, then sure he probably gets a good deal from someone because he is the best available.

If the cap indeed does go up by the the speculated $4M mark, I would expect this organization may go big game hunting as they tried with Eichel or Tkachuk rather than spend a significant amount on a guy like Patches. Mier or Pasta seem like guys that might be in their wheelhouse given age and production. Only if they strikeout in that type of scenario would I think they would circle back to Max. And then only if he is taking a discount like Stazny did to play for a Cup contender.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

If the cap indeed does go up by the the speculated $4M mark, I would expect this organization may go big game hunting as they tried with Eichel or Tkachuk rather than spend a significant amount on a guy like Patches. Mier or Pasta seem like guys that might be in their wheelhouse given age and production. Only if they strikeout in that type of scenario would I think they would circle back to Max. And then only if he is taking a discount like Stazny did to play for a Cup contender.

Plus, being on a contender is going to be less important to Patches after this year.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

The reason why I think that it's possible that the Canes choose this next offseason to extend guys like Patches short-term is because historically, whenever there's a huge cap increase, there's also a crapload of UFA albatrosses handed out almost simultaneously. I think that it's actually more likely for Carolina to big-game hunt when the league has less cap space, not more. Also, Carolina has gone deep in the past for Eichel and Tkachuk, but at least so far, it has mainly had the effect of causing another team to significantly overpay in a trade (this is especially true, IMO, for the latter team through their inclusion of Weegar).

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Plus, being on a contender is going to be less important to Patches after this year.

you are now the opposite of a wet blanket

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

you are now the opposite of a wet blanket

Don’t get used to it.

 

[MinJaBen]

Don’t get used to it.

There you go again...

 

[Chrispy]

Don’t get used to it.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

And Florida is down another defender.

DW and Co are just sitting there dangling the carrots waiting to see who will pay the most.

 

[Unsustainable]

Boom Boom Wet Dream preceded Boom Boom Wet Blanket

 

[Chrispy]

And Florida is down another defender.

DW and Co are just sitting there dangling the carrots waiting to see who will pay the most.

Florida: We can offer you a 1st round pick for Ethan Bear.
DW: That's good.
Florida: The first round pick is in 2027.
DW: That's bad.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

And Florida is down another defender.

DW and Co are just sitting there dangling the carrots waiting to see who will pay the most.

1st pairing Marc Staal, love it for them.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Florida: We can offer you a 1st round pick for Ethan Bear.
DW: That's good.
Florida: The first round pick is in 2027.
DW: That's bad.

I know it's a joke about their lack of picks but I'd honestly do that in a heartbeat, why not?

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I know it's a joke about their lack of picks but I'd honestly do that in a heartbeat, why not?

By 2027 who knows how good they’ll be. Make sure it’s not protected!

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I know it's a joke about their lack of picks but I'd honestly do that in a heartbeat, why not?

Heck yea the crop of 12/13 year old hockey players is looking strong

 

[MinJaBen]

Ethan Bear for Marc Staal and a pick. It would clear cap, bring in another depth LHD to balance the depth, and be another veteran looking for a Cup ring.

We could do worse.

 

[Chrispy]

I know it's a joke about their lack of picks but I'd honestly do that in a heartbeat, why not?

I'd rather have an earlier 2nd or 3rd.
Florida still has their 2023 2nd, but no 1st or 3rd.
They have their 2024 3rd, but no 1st or 2nd.

So I doubt Florida is going to be interested in parting with even more picks, even for a 25 year old RD with multiple years of NHL experience who would still be under team control after this year.

Ethan Bear for Marc Staal and a pick. It would clear cap, bring in another depth LHD to balance the depth, and be another veteran looking for a Cup ring.

We could do worse.

I don't think Florida has the depth to afford to give up Staal as part of this deal.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Ethan Bear for Marc Staal and a pick. It would clear cap, bring in another depth LHD to balance the depth, and be another veteran looking for a Cup ring.

We could do worse.

M Staal would be a negative asset here. I don’t think us waiving Marc Staal to make room for others would be a good look when trying to re-sign Jordan in the off-season.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

no more staals, we good

 

[Cardiac Jerks]

no more staals, we good

Haven’t had a Sutter in a minute.

 

[Svechhammer]

By 2027 who knows how good they’ll be. Make sure it’s not protected!

By 2027 their lack of a pipeline is going to catch up to them. They won't be terrible like Chicago but I could see them flailing in the Columbus spot where there are few ways to improve other than blowing it up and collecting futures.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

I'd rather have an earlier 2nd or 3rd.

Completely agree but I think if a team was offering that he'd have been traded by now. He's not doing us much good sitting there taking up cap space as our 8th defenseman... I'd take pretty much any positive asset at this point for Bear.