All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XII - The UFA frenzy aftermath

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I think we’re getting Petry, he’s the most distressed asset that would probably come the cheapest.

Most likely, yes. However, Klingberg is the guy that would actually cost no assets. No doubt that the Canes would want to wait and see how hard or soft the market is for Klingberg before they pull the trigger on Petry.

 

[Chrispy]

I think we’re getting Petry, he’s the most distressed asset that would probably come the cheapest.

I think this was leaked to LeBrun as a negotiating tactic to drive the price for both Petry and Burns.

“You want a 4th? San Jose only wants a 6th for Burns and they will take back Gardiner…”

 

[Derailed75]

Or people could stop fantasizng with the same 'let's sign this major rfa." evedy year. Same thing goes with our own UFA' s.

That's my point. Every year the same pattern emerges. But wait! Such and such is left!

Please, lol.

And Kane? Malkin? Seriously? Neither of them is what this team needs. Dudes at the end of their careers?

Curious how long you have watched sports? Seriously, the reason I ask because its pretty rare when a team breaks the bank for FA's and than wins. Actually the opposite usually happens. Teams get stupid with FA money and fall flat on their faces more often than not.

Name me the last big name FA that won a cup with their new team... I'll wait.

Remember the Eagles and the dream team, yeah they didn't even make the playoffs.

Its never about spending money, its about spending it right!

 

[Discipline Daddy]

Late to the party here. Looks like there is a rumor connecting us with Burns and Petry. With Burns at 37 and Petry at 34 and both are signed for 3 more years at an expensive rate, those to me look like negative assets. If we take a nice sweetener to take those contracts off their hands, OK, I'm listening, but I sure hope to God we aren't paying anything worthwhile.

Regardless of what comes, putting feelers out there is just a Borg thing to either a) explore all options and b) drive down potential prices in trade acquisition cost or potentially drive down Klingberg's asking price.

 

[Borsig]

Perty on the first pair?

That's the big brain move? LMFAO. He's a what, 4.5 cap hit? Unless Montreal retains a LOT then that's just.... Whatever.

Yes Im harping on the TDA thing. You could have had an elite passer and PPQB for 4 mil. Instead we get old guys at the end of their careers. Perty fell off last year and Burns is an absolute boat anchor.

What the hell is the point of not paying TDA if we get Burns as a boat anchor or Petry who has never really been a name, and is in his mid 30s and falling off?

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Late to the party here. Looks like there is a rumor connecting us with Burns and Petry. With Burns at 37 and Petry at 34 and both are signed for 3 more years at an expensive rate, those to me look like negative assets. If we take a nice sweetener to take those contracts off their hands, OK, I'm listening, but I sure hope to God we aren't paying anything worthwhile.

Regardless of what comes, putting feelers out there is just a Borg thing to either a) explore all options and b) drive down potential prices in trade acquisition cost or potentially drive down Klingberg's asking price.

Neither are negative assets, especially if Sharks retain 50% on Burns. Asset cost should be low, though.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Sharks aren’t retaining 50% without a big reason to do so. Giving them a ton for PP specialist is a pretty big fail

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Sharks aren’t retaining 50% without a big reason to do so. Giving them a ton for PP specialist is a pretty big fail

Not a "ton", but some for sure. It's a bit inaccurate, though, to call Burns a PP specialist. Even this season, he played a pretty all-purpose role with surprisingly-strong underlying numbers. What's nice in Carolina, though, is that they can shelter him way more with guys like Slavin/Pesce/Skjei eating so many minutes.

 

[FreshSeabass]

wouldn't mind him for the right price. Big physical d-man

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Not a "ton", but some for sure. It's a bit inaccurate, though, to call Burns a PP specialist. Even this season, he played a pretty all-purpose role with surprisingly-strong underlying numbers. What's nice in Carolina, though, is that they can shelter him way more with guys like Slavin/Pesce/Skjei eating so many minutes.

I get Burns is thrusted into an all around role due to SJ's defense being so bad. He isnt TDA bad on defense by any means but he is great at it either. As he slows as he gets older, his defense will wear down as it has the last 3 seasons.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

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I get Burns is thrusted into an all around role due to SJ's defense being so bad. He isnt TDA bad on defense by any means but he is great at it either. As he slows as he gets older, his defense will wear down as it has the last 3 seasons.

Though I'm deeply skeptical of publicly-available analytics, especially in the case of bad teams, I get what you're saying about Burns being somewhat questionable from a defensive POV last year. My point, though, is that the Canes can shelter his minutes and use him in a far more effective way than what San Jose could do. If the Sharks retain 50%, too, he'd come at a million less than DeAngelo's new contract with Philly. Also, if Morrow is NHL-ready a year earlier than anticipated, you can shelter Burns further in the last year and actually place him on the bottom-pair.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

Neither are negative assets, especially if Sharks retain 50% on Burns. Asset cost should be low, though.

Agree to disagree, but I just don't see it. It's term. I'd argue neither is a great option for us next year, but at THREE YEARS that's just a huge amount of risk to commit that much cap to a guy. I'd honestly rather us sign nobody than trade for those two, unless it means we get an unprotected first or something.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Though I don't greatly trust public analytics, especially in the case of bad teams, I get what you're saying. My point, though, is that the Canes can shelter his minutes and use him in a far more effective way than what San Jose could do. If the Sharks retain 50%, too, he'd come at a million less than DeAngelo's new contract with Philly.

i dont see SJ wanting to do that. They have a limited window as it is and dont have much longer with it open. retaining 4 million on Burns doesnt help that. Then again they didnt buy out Vlasic that would have helped that. Who knows, i guess.

 

[Joe McGrath]

We just need 1 game breaking forward. Someone ever team complains about scoring on them.

Joe Pavelski is what they needed 2-3 years ago when Dallas got him. Giroux could be that guy, but he isn’t as much of a playoff goal scoring type.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Though I'm deeply skeptical of publicly-available analytics, especially in the case of bad teams, I get what you're saying about Burns being somewhat questionable from a defensive POV last year. My point, though, is that the Canes can shelter his minutes and use him in a far more effective way than what San Jose could do. If the Sharks retain 50%, too, he'd come at a million less than DeAngelo's new contract with Philly. Also, if Morrow is NHL-ready a year earlier than anticipated, you can shelter Burns further in the last year and actually place him on the bottom-pair.

I'm confused by what you mean. How would the Canes be able to shelter his minutes? Unless they acquire someone else to play with Slavin, how would they be able to shelter Burns should they acquire him, since he'd be on the top pairing? Or do you mean something different?

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Agree to disagree, but I just don't see it. It's term. I'd argue neither is a great option for us next year, but at THREE YEARS that's just a huge amount of risk to commit that much cap to a guy. I'd honestly rather us sign nobody than trade for those two, unless it means we get an unprotected first or something.

Three years is not that long of a time, especially when you compare it to giving 7 years to someone like Klingberg. It's also almost exactly the length of time required for Scott Morrow to become NHL-ready.

I'm confused by what you mean. How would the Canes be able to shelter his minutes? Unless they acquire someone else to play with Slavin, how would they be able to shelter Burns should they acquire him, since he'd be on the top pairing? Or do you mean something different?

I mean sheltering from a minutes perspective, especially because Skjei and Pesce eat so many PK minutes. TDA was technically on the top pairing but got similarly-sheltered for that reason. So many of the hard-core defensive-zone minutes that Burns plays as a Shark can be limited in Carolina.

 

[Svechhammer]

After last year's moves, I'm not going to get worked up over what we do the next few days. The front office has earned the benefit of the doubt and they usually hit on moves that look questionable when made.

I don't expect a big move. I hope one is made, but we'll be fine either way. The Borg knows what they're doing.

 

[Unsustainable]

Joe Pavelski is what they needed 2-3 years ago when Dallas got him. Giroux could be that guy, but he isn’t as much of a playoff goal scoring type.

Giroux is a Swiss Army knife in the line up. Even if we gave him a longer term, he wouldn’t hurt us.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Why are people assuming Burns is garbage? He played 26 minutes a night on a crap team and had 54 points. You think he’s gonna be bad playing 20 minutes with Slavin covering his ass?

Giroux is a Swiss Army knife in the line up. Even if we gave him a longer term, he wouldn’t hurt us.

He wouldn’t hurt, no. I just think that a player like Pavelski is the actual missing piece to this roster.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Why are people assuming Burns is garbage? He played 26 minutes a night on a crap team and had 54 points. You think he’s gonna be bad playing 20 minutes with Slavin covering his ass?

Note my commentary above. Also, it's worth noting that Petry was a legitimate analytics darling before the entire Montreal team decided to become a tire fire all at once.

 

[Unsustainable]

Why are people assuming Burns is garbage? He played 26 minutes a night on a crap team and had 54 points. You think he’s gonna be bad playing 20 minutes with Slavin covering his ass?


He wouldn’t hurt, no. I just think that a player like Pavelski is the actual missing piece to this roster.

Slavin - Burns would be effective for sure

 

[DaMillers]

Giroux is a coach killer. Everyone thinks he is a leader because he was a Captain, but I don't think he is much of a leader. He is a great player, even now, but I would not bring him in to be a leader - I would tell him to keep quiet and go out there and play hockey.

 

[LakeLivin]

Not only does Noesen have a 1-way contract for the 2nd year of his deal, but he has a guaranteed minimum of $550k next season. Based on that it sounds to me like the Borg might be expecting him to play in Raleigh at least a part of next season. Don't know where he'd fit in, but he did put up 57 goals in 88 games for the Wolves (yeah, it's the AHL, but still). And it's not like he's a rookie; he's got 211 NHL games under his belt. This will be an interesting one to watch.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Not only does Noesen have a 1-way contract for the 2nd year of his deal, but he has a guaranteed minimum of $550k next season. Based on that it sounds to me like the Borg might be expecting him to play in Raleigh at least a part of next season. Don't know where he'd fit in, but he did put up 57 goals in 88 games for the Wolves (yeah, it's the AHL, but still). And it's not like he's a rookie; he's got 211 NHL games under his belt. This will be an interesting one to watch.

Nah, I don't think it's that. Chicago Wolves are legitimately a huge spender by AHL standards. This is the usual protocol that I've seen for their "star" players over the years.

 

[SlavinAway]

Not only does Noesen have a 1-way contract for the 2nd year of his deal, but he has a guaranteed minimum of $550k next season. Based on that it sounds to me like the Borg might be expecting him to play in Raleigh at least a part of next season. Don't know where he'd fit in, but he did put up 57 goals in 88 games for the Wolves (yeah, it's the AHL, but still). And it's not like he's a rookie; he's got 211 NHL games under his belt. This will be an interesting one to watch.

I certainly wouldn’t mind seeing what he could do on the 4th line in place of Martinook or Lorentz.

Nah, I don't think it's that. Chicago Wolves are legitimately a huge spender by AHL standards. This is the usual protocol that I've seen for their "star" players over the years.

Weren’t those AHL star players contracted with Chicago and not the big club in the past though?