All Purpose Trade / Roster Building Thread pt 6 - let the waiting game commence

[Big Daddy Cane]

I was expecting something more than pure speculation, but that's all it was.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I love how the Marleau thread on the MB has devolved into Canadians claiming other people who were born in Canada are lying that they were born there because they don't spell COLOR "correctly".

It’s only that one poster and he/she posts nonsense on the main board all the time.

 

[Roboturner913]

It would be "too perfect" to go into the season after a surprise ECF appearance with two goalies whose combined career high for NHL starts in a season is 34 games (McElhinney 33, Nedeljkovic 1, both last season).

It’s no worse than going into a season with two reclamation projects who were the worst starting goalies the previous season and a journeyman backup whose only track record of real success was in the AHL.

This is why I keep saying the sooner we can get Ned in the NHL playing significant minutes, the sooner our goalie situation will have some actual long term stability.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Mcginn’s rights for Puljujarvi’s rights. Edmonton needs NHL quality forwards and McGinn is a former 2nd round pick and will get more opportunities in Edmonton. Canes take a flyer on a guy that should cost less and may thrive, but may bust.

RBA won’t like it. Oilers fans will hate it.

 

[bleedgreen]

I think McGinn is the better player by a solid margin. I don’t really want poolparty at all.

McGinn has a grit and toughness we are going to really lack without Ferland. I don’t think he’s going anywhere. Seems like we love the guy.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Mcginn’s rights for Puljujarvi’s rights. Edmonton needs NHL quality forwards and McGinn is a former 2nd round pick and will get more opportunities in Edmonton. Canes take a flyer on a guy that should cost less and may thrive, but may bust.

RBA won’t like it. Oilers fans will hate it.

I'd much rather that that Gauthier, and I'm still not Goat's biggest fan (though he's slowly winning me over). I really think that would be a good deal for Edmonton if they are willing to cut bait on JP because you know pretty well what to expect from McGinn. That said, I'm not gung ho for JP either, but I'd take the risk knowing we have guys in the minors that can take over if/when he flames out.

 

[SvechneJerk]

I could see that working. Brock could be an odd man out Cap-wise, anyway.

And a poster on the Oiler board actually brought Brock up to positive responses.

 

[spockBokk]

Eh...I’m not the biggest fan of a Gauthier for Puljujarvi trade, but it makes sense I guess. I’d rather trade a guy like Saarela or, a complete 180 for me from earlier opinions, Kuokkanen. I’d not be a fan of McGinn for Puljujarvi, although I get the logic. McGinn is very useful, heart and soul bottom 6 guy, good for ~30pts. Puljujarvi has or had all the talent in the world and may well reach that or just flame out. If they trade for him, I don’t think he’s worth a useful roster player.

 

[Bunch of Jurcos]

I remember wanting Poolparty something serious so he could play on Aho's line. I never would have guessed that he would have flopped so hard. Last year during one of Edmonton's games against us, I noted that he was invisible on the ice. How can someone that big not make an impact?

I just don't think he fits what we are trying to build here.

 

[Vagrant]

the problem is that even if we trade for puljujarvi, he's not likely to play with aho. it would take tremendous faith in him to gift him some icetime like that. and brock mcginn should not be traded. he's still due to score 60 points.

 

[Chrispy]

Eh...I’m not the biggest fan of a Gauthier for Puljujarvi trade, but it makes sense I guess. I’d rather trade a guy like Saarela or, a complete 180 for me from earlier opinions, Kuokkanen. I’d not be a fan of McGinn for Puljujarvi, although I get the logic. McGinn is very useful, heart and soul bottom 6 guy, good for ~30pts. Puljujarvi has or had all the talent in the world and may well reach that or just flame out. If they trade for him, I don’t think he’s worth a useful roster player.

I wouldn't deal any of the waiver-exempt forwards for Puljujarvi, and according to CapFriendly all 3 of Gauthier, Kuoakkanen, and Saarela are still waiver exempt next year.

Maybe one who would have to go through waivers like Puljujarvi. A pending RFA like Carrick, maybe I'd consider trading. But Puljujarvi has no guaranteed spot and isn't worth guaranteeing a spot yet.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I think McGinn is the better player by a solid margin. I don’t really want poolparty at all.

McGinn has a grit and toughness we are going to really lack without Ferland. I don’t think he’s going anywhere. Seems like we love the guy.

Oh, no doubt McGinn is better right now, and if Pulj never figures it out, he always will be.

I tossed that out in as more of a what-if response to all the posts about McGinn possibly pricing himself out. Rod loves McGinn though and I’d bet he is on the roster next year.

 

[DaveG]

so, just looking right now:

Nino - Aho - Turbo
Svech - Staal - xxxx
Foegele - Wallmark - Necas
Martinook - xxxx - McGinn

Slavin - Hamilton
Pesce - Faulk
Fleury/Bean - TVR
Forsling

xxxx - Forsberg - Ned

I don't for a second think we're going to spend to the cap next year, but we have room to add another quality forward, a starting goalie, and likely bring Williams back on a bonus heavy one-year deal and be somewhere still around 75M even after signing Aho. We're currently at 56.8

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

so, just looking right now:

Nino - Aho - Turbo
Svech - Staal - xxxx
Foegele - Wallmark - Necas
Martinook - xxxx - McGinn

Slavin - Hamilton
Pesce - Faulk
Fleury/Bean - TVR
Forsling

xxxx - Forsberg - Ned

I don't for a second think we're going to spend to the cap next year, but we have room to add another quality forward, a starting goalie, and likely bring Williams back on a bonus heavy one-year deal and be somewhere still around 75M even after signing Aho. We're currently at 56.8

Sad thing is that roster is worse than last years.

 

[DaveG]

is it though? can't say I agree especially if the add is another center. Only thing notably worse is the 3rd pair. Goal is still up in the air.

 

[Chrispy]

is it though? can't say I agree especially if the add is another center. Only thing notably worse is the 3rd pair. Goal is still up in the air.

End of last season? Maybe, although Svech's development and a full season of Mad Jordan would be big improvements.

Start of last season? Easily better.

 

[GoldiFox]

is it though? can't say I agree especially if the add is another center. Only thing notably worse is the 3rd pair. Goal is still up in the air.

Depends heavily on the goalie.

Can't say that Mike Smith + Anton Forsberg + Alex Nedeljkovic is a better group than Mrazek + McElhinney

 

[DaveG]

Depends heavily on the goalie.

Can't say that Mike Smith + Anton Forsberg + Alex Nedeljkovic is a better group than Mrazek + McElhinney

Agreed there. Need to either retain Mrazek or bring in Lehner if we're going to be on par with last season in net.

I'm still intrigued by the idea of bringing in Quick if LA's really moving on from him

 

[Novacane]

Nedeljkovic-Smith-Forsberg-Ward

 

[MinJaBen]

I'm still intrigued by the idea of bringing in Quick if LA's really moving on from him

Quick is not cheap, though. I’d rather sign Lehner to that cap then bring in Quick who has had problems staying healthy.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Sad thing is that roster is worse than last years.

is it though? can't say I agree especially if the add is another center. Only thing notably worse is the 3rd pair. Goal is still up in the air.

I think we're ignoring the fact that Svech, Aho, Necas, Foegele, Wallmark, and even Teravainen are all on the upswing of their careers. The names are the same, but we're better just by being a year older.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Nino Aho TT
Svech Wallmark Necas
Foegele Staal mcGinn
Martinhook Bishop/Roy Geekie/Goat/whoever

Slavin Hamilton
Pesce Faulk
Fleury/Forsling TVR

Forsberg
Ned

Brings us to around 53, 54 mil in salary without Aho or McGinn signed. So that's 64, 65 million, maybe 2,3,4 for goalie/Mrazek and you call it a day. A sub-70 million dollar roster!

 

[bleedgreen]

Sad thing is that roster is worse than last years.

Maybe, but there seems to be something big coming our way.

I think our goaltending will be more volatile than last year. Mac really calmed it down.

 

[My Special Purpose]

IMO, something is going to shake loose this summer. With the cap coming in so low, teams are in legit trouble. Hell, Toronto dumped Marleau and they're *still* not out of the woods. Even if we don't directly sign a UFA, and even if we don't offer sheet anyone, the teams that do are going to have to move some players they don't want to move.

And the Canes are perfectly set up to pounce. We've got picks, prospects, cap space, and cash coming out our ears and every team knows it. We're going to have our pick of 3-4 big moves in the next two weeks or so.

 

[Chrispy]

IMO, something is going to shake loose this summer. With the cap coming in so low, teams are in legit trouble. Hell, Toronto dumped Marleau and they're *still* not out of the woods. Even if we don't directly sign a UFA, and even if we don't offer sheet anyone, the teams that do are going to have to move some players they don't want to move.

And the Canes are perfectly set up to pounce. We've got picks, prospects, cap space, and cash coming out our ears and every team knows it. We're going to have our pick of 3-4 big moves in the next two weeks or so.

This is the part that I think has been lost:

1) Carolina uses cap space to acquire a 1st with Marleau.
2) The cap number is released, lower than expected.
3) Carolina dumps de Haan's contract for little return.

It does make sense that they see an opportunity to capitalize again on another team with cap trouble, but needed space to do so.

Of course, last year we all thought there was an opportunity to utilize the D depth to acquire a forward, especially after signing de Haan , and that didn't happen. So we will see if they can complete the process this off-season after they failed to last off-season.