All purpose trade/roster building thread part 12

[ThaiTanicDK]

My point was that people look at "shots" and assume that a goalie will do so much better in Carolina and don't look at the whole picture. Carolina thrives on getting the puck and keeping it and their defense is mobile and skilled to do that, but when they have breakdowns or get hemmed in their own zone, they give up a lot of high danger chances. So assuming a goalie will do better in Carolina because of "less shots" isn't a given.

Do the goalies I listed drag down Toronto's HDSV% by enough to be a factor? Is it even possible to calculate.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Do the goalies I listed drag down Toronto's HDSV% by enough to be a factor? Is it even possible to calculate.

I looked at just last year and Andersen's was .805 and the team overall was .810, so the team did not drag it down. Campbell's was the best.

I'll try to look at prior years.

EDIT: Last year's HDSV%

HDCA/60: Carolina 22nd in the NHL, Toronto 18th in the NHL

Andersen: .817 (60 games)
Sparks: .844 (20 games)
Hutch: .800 (5 games)

Mrazek: .863 (40 games)
McElhinney: .817 (33 games)
Darling: .770 (8 games) ouch.

It doesn't look like this year or last that the back-ups have dragged anything down. When a goalie like Andersen plays most of the games though, you can many times throw the back-up numbers out as Andersen likely played against the better teams. If they are more evenly split (like Mrazek/McElhinney last year), they both probably faced tough competition.

Not all HD shots are equal either, but it still supports my point that being behind Carolina's defense might not improve the goalies numbers due to HD chances.

 

[hblueridgegal]

Fan fiction?

 

[spockBokk]

Fan fiction?

This account also said Dubas was getting Teravainen and Pesce + for Nylander back in 2018. It confirmed the Kase for Faulk trade...that never happened...

These accounts are fun to follow, but as I’ve learned, it’s all BS.

 

[bleedgreen]

God I am so sick of hearing about Pesce to TO. If it was true at all I would have a serious lack of faith about who’s running this team.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

This week it’s Pesce. Last week it was Parayko. Next week it will be Manson. And so on the cycle goes.

Meanwhile, there’s been no meaningful rumor about the availability of that type of player since 2018.

 

[spockBokk]

This week it’s Pesce. Last week it was Parayko. Next week it will be Manson. And so on the cycle goes.

Meanwhile, there’s been no meaningful rumor about the availability of that type of player since 2018.

To be fair, TOR, amongst other teams, obviously keep inquiring about Pesce, as recently as this past offseason. It’s just that CAR continues to shoot them down:

 

[spockBokk]

At least the Pesce’s have a sense of humor:

 

[GoldiFox]

Fan fiction?

Andersson + Bennett for Andersen + #15 + chaff sounds plausible but still bad for Calgary

Two separate trades, so Pesce for free?

 

[WreckingCrew]

Andersson + Bennett for Andersen + #15 + chaff sounds plausible but still bad for Calgary

Two separate trades, so Pesce for free?

We get Bracco!!

 

[andy500]

So... Laine? We like Finns.

 

[SlavinAway]

So... Laine? We like Finns.

Another team's fan has already offered Pesce + Necas for Ehlers for us.

 

[andy500]

Another team's fan has already offered Pesce + Necas for Ehlers for us.

Very generous! I don't think it can really work cap wise for us in the long term, but I love Laine. Would love to see it.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Very generous! I don't think it can really work cap wise for us in the long term, but I love Laine. Would love to see it.

that would be harder to fit than Ehlers. Ehlers fits really nice into our cap long term. Dont want to trade Necas, at all but Ehlers would be great.

 

[WreckingCrew]

that would be harder to fit than Ehlers. Ehlers fits really nice into our cap long term. Dont want to trade Necas, at all but Ehlers would be great.

Ehlers would be awesome, 25G-55PT (roughly so far) forward signed @ $6M for 5 more years? I don't know if I want to think about the cost to get that though, it would probably hurt quite a fair bit. Would definitely have to dump Nino or Gardiner+, then you'd have to dump Dzingel + Mrazek/Reimer if you wanted to get Lehner/Markstrom signed

Ehlers - Aho - TT
Svech - Troch - Necas/xxx

Ignoring the contracts, would you guys rather have McGinn, Nino, or Dzingel as a 3LW?? Based purely on play and what they bring

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Ehlers would be awesome, 25G-55PT (roughly so far) forward signed @ $6M for 5 more years? I don't know if I want to think about the cost to get that though, it would probably hurt quite a fair bit. Would definitely have to dump Nino or Gardiner+, then you'd have to dump Dzingel + Mrazek/Reimer if you wanted to get Lehner/Markstrom signed

Ehlers - Aho - TT
Svech - Troch - Necas/xxx

Ignoring the contracts, would you guys rather have McGinn, Nino, or Dzingel as a 3LW?? Based purely on play and what they bring

Foegele or McGinn. Both can play PK and cost less. They are also capable of bringing the body. Nino gave up hitting 4 years or so ago.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Foegele or McGinn. Both can play PK and cost less. They are also capable of bringing the body. Nino gave up hitting 4 years or so ago.

Brock only had 80 hits this year down from 137 the 2 prior years

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Brock only had 80 hits this year down from 137 the 2 prior years

which is still more than the last 2 for Nino, combined (or close to it)

 

[GoldiFox]

I'd offer Necas + one of Gardiner/Nino for Ehlers, although the expansion draft makes that a bit stickier. Ehlers was an even strength beast this year. Tied for #9 in the league with 46 5v5 points next to Malkin, Matthews, Marchand, and Point. 20 primary 5v5 assists tied for #5 in the league. He makes his linemates better and can play both wings. Svech-Trocheck-Ehlers (or wings swapped) would be interesting.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I'd offer Necas + one of Gardiner/Nino for Ehlers, although the expansion draft makes that a bit stickier. Ehlers was an even strength beast this year. Tied for #9 in the league with 46 5v5 points next to Malkin, Matthews, Marchand, and Point. 20 primary 5v5 assists tied for #5 in the league. He makes his linemates better and can play both wings. Svech-Trocheck-Ehlers (or wings swapped) would be interesting.

With Ehlers and minus Necas isnt much of an upgrade.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

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Hamilton makes an appearance at the end, but I don't know that it says much given how the FO negotiates contracts. Dzingel at #11 is interesting. The UFA forward market is not deep. $3.375 mil x 1 is not bad for a team in search of RS depth scoring. A soft deal to get out of his contract clean or thereabouts may not be out of the question, even under the circumstances.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Brock only had 80 hits this year down from 137 the 2 prior years

Wonder why this is. I doubt that it's that Brock is no longer capable of hitting. Fewer minutes? Changing role? Changing system?

 

[WreckingCrew]

Wonder why this is. I doubt that it's that Brock is no longer capable of hitting. Fewer minutes? Changing role? Changing system?

No sure either but I definitely noticed he wasn't throwing his weight around as much this season...even the lighter "rub outs" in the corner that I don't think they really count as hits seemed less noticeable

 

[DougieSmash]

Because the system, I guess.

Last years roster had a different identity. Smack you in the mouth.

Hits: 2018-2019 Martinook 199, CdH 187, Ferland 182, Dougie 160, Faulk 156, McGinn 137, Foegele 126, Svech 123, Staal 122, etc
2019-2020 Staal: 149, Edmundson 118, Svech 116, McGinn 80, Martinook 72, Necas 65, Foegele 63

we went up 0.2 goals per game than last year.
PIMs are relatively close as well
Our Goals Against went up 0.22 per game (so no gain on goals scored and goals against)

not sure if we decided passing and puck movement was the best way out of the Metro or we decided to try something new.

We were on the path to have the same points as last year, both teams had a 1.2 points per game average. Our strength of schedule took a minor dip this year but our SRS went up by 7 positions to 6th. In the end the change didnt change our fortunes just stuck us with guys we want to move (Gardiner, Dzingel, etc)

 

[Canes]

Wonder why this is. I doubt that it's that Brock is no longer capable of hitting. Fewer minutes? Changing role? Changing system?

I think he just got a bit too comfortable with having a place on the team along with a few other guys who just get a bit too complacent at times. For as much as we think Brindy is a hardass who demands excellence for every player at all times, he still has his favorites.