All purpose trade/roster building thread part 12

[spockBokk]

I don’t think that Trocheck would be traded as easily as LeBrun does. He was one of RBA’s most used forwards in the playoffs even though the results weren’t there. Necas isn’t ready to play center and Lord knows Staal isn’t fit to play on a scoring line. They’d just be in the market for another C if they traded Trocheck. I personally want to see what Trocheck looks like after 20 or so games of normal circumstances, not 7 games after the deadline and not after a 5 month break.

However, if Trocheck + (not Pesce) D gets you anywhere close to Ehlers, yeah bye Vince...

 

[HisIceness]

Ehlers is amazing. Pass on Laine, doesn't seem good fit for Rod system at all.

Agreed. I don't see Laine and Rod getting along. Like Laine as a player but we don't need another Haula situation.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Ehlers/Trochek/Necas would be the fastest line in hockey....just sayin'

Trocheck isn’t really very fast though. At least the Trocheck I watched. Probably due to his injury a while back.

 

[Penaltykiller17]

I don’t think that Trocheck would be traded as easily as LeBrun does. He was one of RBA’s most used forwards in the playoffs even though the results weren’t there. Necas isn’t ready to play center and Lord knows Staal isn’t fit to play on a scoring line. They’d just be in the market for another C if they traded Trocheck. I personally want to see what Trocheck looks like after 20 or so games of normal circumstances, not 7 games after the deadline and not after a 5 month break.

However, if Trocheck + (not Pesce) D gets you anywhere close to Ehlers, yeah bye Vince...

Agree with this 100%. Except I wouldn’t trade Trocheck at all. I feel like we’ve waited forever for a legit 2c. There is not a better center available via FA either, and there’s no one in the system ready to take that spot. It’s an easier path to finding a top 6 winger to play with Trocheck than it is to trade him for that same player and find his replacement.

 

[GoldiFox]

Agree with this 100%. Except I wouldn’t trade Trocheck at all. I feel like we’ve waited forever for a legit 2c. There is not a better center available via FA either, and there’s no one in the system ready to take that spot. It’s an easier path to finding a top 6 winger to play with Trocheck than it is to trade him for that same player and find his replacement.

I'm optimistic that Trocheck can be better but as of now he has 1 goal and 4 points in 15 games in a Canes uniform. That isn't a legit 2C on any contending roster. That would amount to 22 points over 82 games which isn't even Jordan Staal production. I look around the teams left and see Kadri, Nelson, Hintz, Hayes, Horvat, Stamkos (if healthy) or Cirelli, etc. all stacking points and Trocheck's 2 assists in 8 Playoff games look meek.

That said, it is fair to ask "If not Trocheck than who". I'm not sure. Maybe the Canes cross their fingers and hope Suzuki does his best imitation of his brother.

 

[spockBokk]

Agree with this 100%. Except I wouldn’t trade Trocheck at all. I feel like we’ve waited forever for a legit 2c. There is not a better center available via FA either, and there’s no one in the system ready to take that spot. It’s an easier path to finding a top 6 winger to play with Trocheck than it is to trade him for that same player and find his replacement.

Yep, maybe in another year Necas is ready or maybe Suzuki miraculously is ready, so you don’t have such a need for a top 6 C. That time is not now though. However, I’d figure out the C situation later for Ehlers.

More likely, they won’t get a big name guy I think.

 

[spockBokk]

Around the 17min mark James Mirtle says, “I just don’t think you’re going to get that much for Andersen...” in reference to think his worth is a “little bit more” than a 3rd pick:



Pesce/Hamilton/13OA for Andersen....heh, delusional Leaf fans.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Trocheck looked rough to start after the trade. Just started coming on when the season paused. Then he looked pretty good I think in the return to play. I'm willing to bet if he plays like that full time for us, his production will be fine. But I wouldn't shy away from moving him in the right deal either. The right deal is up for debate, as his replacement would be.

 

[bleedgreen]

I lean towards keeping him until a replacement is obvious, I think he’s a solid player for us moving forward. I was happy we got him and I haven’t turned on that.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

I lean towards keeping him until a replacement is obvious, I think he’s a solid player for us moving forward. I was happy we got him and I haven’t turned on that.

Yeah, same way I feel with Skjei. I don’t think it’s fair to judge them off the very short amount of time they got to showcase with the Canes while in a generally pretty insane situation. They both have looked good at times and to me Trochek played very good hockey after the break. The results on the scoresheet weren’t quite there but he was competing, playing hard and making chances happen. Hit a few posts and set up a few great plays that easily could have gone in with better finish from teammates.

If Skjei turns into the dman partner for a Pesce we all hope he can be and Tro can become the no. 2 C we have been waiting on for forever, this will be a very dangerous team next year.

 

[Canes]

Or Skjei and Trocheck can remain the same players that got both of their teams desperate to just get rid of them to cut salary. I'd love for them to be the players that got them hype around the league several seasons ago but for the most part they played or produced like the fans of their teams said they probably would. Trocheck tries really hard but doesn't look like he has the skating or hands to be the player he used to be and Skjei just doesn't have the hockey intelligence to be more than a low end #4/high end bottom pairing guy.

If say, the Leafs, made the exact same moves for Skjei and Trocheck as we did I doubt anyone would be in such a rush to defend the moves as optimistically as some are doing so here.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Or Skjei and Trocheck can remain the same players that got both of their teams desperate to just get rid of them to cut salary. I'd love for them to be the players that got them hype around the league several seasons ago but for the most part they played or produced like the fans of their teams said they probably would. Trocheck tries really hard but doesn't look like he has the skating or hands to be the player he used to be and Skjei just doesn't have the hockey intelligence to be more than a low end #4/high end bottom pairing guy.

If say, the Leafs, made the exact same moves for Skjei and Trocheck as we did I doubt anyone would be in such a rush to defend the moves as optimistically as some are doing so here.

Skjei was traded because NYR’s needed to move cap. Rangers fans were so ecstatic because we gave up a first for him.

Trocheck more of a struggling trade. At the same time we sold Florida’s center issues so Florida was okay with it trading a lower value. Gave them a 2C and 2 bottom 2 centers. They then misused Hallmark.

 

[BB88]

I can’t see Jets dealing Ehlers.
He’s signed at 6 for 5 more years which is incredible value for 1st line play driving winger.

Laine could be out due to cap problems and if Winnipeg keeps wasting him with bottom6 level C’s

 

[DougieSmash]

At worst, Trocheck could be placeholder unitl Necas is ready to take it over. I know Marty is still pretty raw but let's give him some time, he's really young.

 

[Chrispy]

At worst, Trocheck could be placeholder unitl Necas is ready to take it over. I know Marty is still pretty raw but let's give him some time, he's really young.

2 more years of Trocheck also puts Suzuki at 21. It's not unreasonable to think that's enough development time if development can happen this season.

 

[AD Skinner]

One thing about trocheck is how much his shooting percentage has declined since he came into the league. His first few years he shot 13.2, 7.9, 14.4, 10.0 and 10.8 percent. He hasn't hit 9% since. That may be luck but its a little concerning... especially since he seems so good at getting looks but not so good at converting them. Everything but score is great but eventually the scoring needs to come

 

[Unsustainable]

As much as I really don't want to lose Pesce. If we can get Vatanen on a similar deal to replace him.

Pesce + 13oa + Bokk for Ehlers would be a big gain for us.

What we need to do is get Dougie signed a 8×8 type deal now

 

[MinJaBen]

As much as I really don't want to lose Pesce. If we can get Vatanen on a similar deal to replace him.

Pesce + 13oa + Bokk for Ehlers would be a big gain for us.

What we need to do is get Dougie signed a 8×8 type deal now

Jesus, no. That is way too much for Ehlers. Pesce plus a 2nd round pick or a prospect is enough. If the Jets don't want to do that, move on.

 

[Chrispy]

As much as I really don't want to lose Pesce. If we can get Vatanen on a similar deal to replace him.

Pesce + 13oa + Bokk for Ehlers would be a big gain for us.

What we need to do is get Dougie signed a 8×8 type deal now

Vatanen is going to take a pay cut? He's 29 and made 5M, 5M, 5M, 4.5M on this contract.

I don't see him taking a pay cut, let alone signing for the bargain we have Pesce for.

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

As much as I really don't want to lose Pesce. If we can get Vatanen on a similar deal to replace him.

Pesce + 13oa + Bokk for Ehlers would be a big gain for us.

What we need to do is get Dougie signed a 8×8 type deal now

Holy Moly. You seriously think this would be a "big gain for us"?

 

[DougieSmash]

Someone, don't remember the nickname, made a proposal on the main board of Necas, 13th, Pesce and McGinn for Laine.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Some of our own fans are terrifying me with some of these deals. Yeesh.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

If Necas is moved, I will be upset. The dude would have put up 45 points even though he was being stone walled by Rod. This dude should make a good jump to 60 points over the next 2 seasons. It will take him longer than Svech because Svech was a bigger dude from the start.

Ehlers would be great but not at the expense of Necas. Unless Pesce has serious injury concerns for the future, he should stay too. He adds a lot to the team for only 4 million.

 

[GoldiFox]

Vatanen is going to take a pay cut? He's 29 and made 5M, 5M, 5M, 4.5M on this contract.

I don't see him taking a pay cut, let alone signing for the bargain we have Pesce for.

It will be an interesting offseason for the top UFAs given the flat Cap expected for the next 2-3 years. I could see a scenario where GMs overpay on their top needs like they do every year anyway. I could also see many GMs being gunshy about adding UFAs and opt for more trades instead.

If I had to guess Vatanen is still worth ~$5 million. Partly due to the fact that he's never played more than 72 games in a season and his last 3 years he played 72, 50, and 47 games. Hard to pay a guy full value when they average ~55 games per year. Regarding the hypothetical Pesce trade front, other GMs may have similar worries as Pesce has only played 65, 73, and 61 games over the past 3 years.

 

[Canes]

Scheifele is the only guy I'd give up a crap ton for, but obviously he's basically untouchable. Ehlers and Laine are great players but considering what we would have to give up they don't excite me too much. They would maybe fast forward the offensive production of the team but at the expense of youth and being more expensive since Necas ++ would be going the other way. Obviously Laine is young as well (and Ehlers isn't exactly old either) but I could see Laine getting on Rod's shit list ASAP.