Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[Mortimer Snerd]

Iafallo seems to fit that mold so it would be interesting to see if there would be a market. He's going into the last year of his deal so we might get more at the trade deadline but who knows.

If we can get a return now we benefit from his cap recovery. OTOH, maybe he returns to form in a 2nd year in Wpg and a contract year at that.

Looking at potential TD returns means looking at missing the PO.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Given they didn't really want to play Miller at all I doubt we keep him.

Probably yes. But he didn't play badly in the little time he got. Not sure if it was Arniel or Bones who didn't want to play him. Chevy acquired him so ....... . But if not Miller, some other 3rd pair level D.

Sign DeMelo and Stan, buyout Schmidt and let Dillon walk and add Heinola gives us just 6 Dmen. There isn't an obvious add in the system so we need a 7th at minimum. Salo or Lundmark could be added, or not.

Unless Salo kicks the door down or we acquire a top 4 Dman somehow, I don't like the look of our top 6 without Dillon.

 

[WolfHouse]

Even in a crazy FA market I don't see Dillon getting either 4 years or 6 mil. More like 2x5 or 3x4. Something in that ballpark. DeMelo at 4x5 looks about right to me. I hope it doesn't take a 5th year.

Chatfield just got $3m x 3 years... both DeMelo and Dillon deserve something in the $5m range imo

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I’ll take stronger in playoffs than stronger in regular season and disappears in the playoffs.

And if they don't make the PO?

 

[gojetsgo]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1801329630324134123

so much news coming out today

 

[WolfHouse]

Just read the Billeck article... everyone seems to think that DeMelo will sign for $3m or less.... hope it's true - but I just don't see it

 

[Royale With Cheese]

I really hope the Jets don't somehow get Necas. No matter if he is good or not, I can't stand his last name and how it's pronounced. Would be hard to cheer for him as it's nails on a chalk board hearing it. It's that same annoyance I get when I'd hear John-Michael Liles or, currently, Nugent-Hopkins.

Neck Ass

 

[surixon]

Just read the Billeck article... everyone seems to think that DeMelo will sign for $3m or less.... hope it's true - but I just don't see it

I can't see that. Why would he take a pay cut

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Just read the Billeck article... everyone seems to think that DeMelo will sign for $3m or less.... hope it's true - but I just don't see it

I think you read that wrong. He's projecting DeMelo at around the same price as Monahan ($5.3M)

AFP projects a four-year deal for Monahan at $5.3 million per annum, a $3 million-plus raise. DeMelo, who made $3 million last season, is projected to be paid the same over the same term. The Jets already lack the money to make that work, with both contracts totalling $10.6 million, leaving them $1.8 million over the cap.

 

[ps241]

If we can get a return now we benefit from his cap recovery. OTOH, maybe he returns to form in a 2nd year in Wpg and a contract year at that.

Looking at potential TD returns means looking at missing the PO.

Just hedging bets

We did well with Copp in a similar scenario but Andrew was more productive.

 

[10Ducky10]

No way I give Dillon 5m.
I'd give DeMelo 5m if it was a 2 year deal.

3 x 4.75m for DD
2 x 4m for Dillon.
2 x 3.25m for Perfetti.
2 x 1m for Gus.
1 x 1m for Stanley.
1 x 1.7m for Miller.
2 x 4m for Mono.
2 x 1.8m for Desmith.

Buyout or trade Schmidt.
If we pick up Pulock, try to include Pionk in a deal to Buffalo and trade Stanley.

JMo Pulock
Dillon Pionk/Ville
Sammy DD/Miller
Heinola and Miller getting about 30 games each.

 

[kylbaz]

"if he was healthy"? We aren't living in a dream world.

He has averaged 51 games per season (adjusted for Covid) over the past 5 seasons. He hasn't hit 30 goals in half a decade. Pace only counts if you play 82 games.

Lastly, even if you took his last 5 seasons goal scoring pace he would have averaged 30 goals per season which is ok but nothing special anymore. This past season there were 47 guys that reached the 30 goal scoring level. The 22-23 season there were over 50 players that reached the 30 goal level. Year before that there were 50 players that scored 30 or more goals.

His 30 goals "IF HEALTHY" wouldn't be in the top 40 NHL goal scores anymore.

I was referring to OP who referenced "If he's healthy".
30 goals would still put him second on our team, the team that can't do anything on the powerplay or outside of game 1 in the playoffs.
His last five years averaged 32 goals per year and half of that was probably battling injury.
It would more than likely be over 40 if healthy. Pipe dream but it would be silly to pretend a healthy Laine would not still be a great scorer at 26 years old. As someone posted in the trade thread, his numbers from two seasons ago:

let's look at an actual representative sample (55 games) from the 22-23 season, during which he was:
1st in CF% (by over two full percentage points!)
1st in FF%
1st in SF%
5th in xGF%
1st in SCF%
5th in HDCF%
2nd in G/60
2nd in pA/60
3rd in A/60
1st in P/60 (0.3 ahead of gaudreau)
2nd in IPP
1st in GF/60
3rd in xGF/60
1st in GA/60 (!!) (by a whopping 0.5 GA/60)
1st in GF% (by almost six full points lol)
he was – by a significant margin – their best forward in 22-23. his 5v5 scoring rate metrics were in line with guys like jordan kyrou, andrei vechnikov, sebastian aho, kyle connor and mika zibanejad lol

 

[WolfHouse]

I think you read that wrong. He's projecting DeMelo at around the same price as Monahan ($5.3M)

Ah same as Monahan not same as his last contract...

 

[ps241]

I was referring to OP who referenced "If he's healthy".
30 goals would still put him second on our team, the team that can't do anything on the powerplay or outside of game 1 in the playoffs.
His last five years averaged 32 goals per year and half of that was probably battling injury.
It would more than likely be over 40 if healthy. Pipe dream but it would be silly to pretend a healthy Laine would not still be a great scorer at 26 years old. As someone posted in the trade thread, his numbers from two seasons ago:

let's look at an actual representative sample (55 games) from the 22-23 season, during which he was:
1st in CF% (by over two full percentage points!)
1st in FF%
1st in SF%
5th in xGF%
1st in SCF%
5th in HDCF%
2nd in G/60
2nd in pA/60
3rd in A/60
1st in P/60 (0.3 ahead of gaudreau)
2nd in IPP
1st in GF/60
3rd in xGF/60
1st in GA/60 (!!) (by a whopping 0.5 GA/60)
1st in GF% (by almost six full points lol)
he was – by a significant margin – their best forward in 22-23. his 5v5 scoring rate metrics were in line with guys like jordan kyrou, andrei vechnikov, sebastian aho, kyle connor and mika zibanejad lol

You put together a thoughtful response but the reality is he's not nearly healthy enough, nor has he been for 5 seasons.

 

[Adam da bomb]

And if they don't make the PO?

Better to not make the playoffs, then make the playoffs and become a ghost. If you don’t make the playoffs you at least get a high pick. No prize for getting knocked out in 4 or 5 in po.

 

[kylbaz]

You put together a thoughtful response but the reality is he's not nearly healthy enough, nor has he been for 5 seasons.

That's fair. Hopefully he can somehow get back on track.

 

[surixon]

This talk about Laine is all a moot point because we don't have anywhere near the cap space to make it happen.

 

[WolfHouse]

This talk about Laine is all a moot point because we don't have anywhere near the cap space to make it happen.

Columbus could retain 80%...

 

[abax44]

Did he really make that much of a difference. Did we make the playoffs because of him.

How did you feel when they signed Appleton... Now you guys want to bring back Laine.... ummm no thanks.

I mean, none of that had anything to do with the post I replied to. You stated "they haven't done squat"... I replied that Brossoit did alright.

I had no feelings when they signed Apples - didn't really care one way or the other in the sense that they could pay him or someone else to do the exact same job. I assume they were comfortable with Appleton. As for Laine, I said I'd take him back for the right price. I wouldn't give up a whole lot to get him, I think he's broken. Here's to hoping he can be fixed, though. He seems like a legitimately nice guy that's had the love of hockey sucked out of him.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Better to not make the playoffs, then make the playoffs and become a ghost. If you don’t make the playoffs you at least get a high pick. No prize for getting knocked out in 4 or 5 in po.

That's a valid point. But Jets turned sharply away from that last off-season when they signed Scheif and Helle. They have 2-3 years left in that window. And drafting 14-16 is not the kind of high pick that is likely to turn it around.

 

[Gm0ney]

This talk about Laine is all a moot point because we don't have anywhere near the cap space to make it happen.

Well, he'd have to come pretty cheap and for some significant cap going the other way plus probably some retention from Columbus to make it work...like say Appleton and Iafallo and 25% retained?

Vegas will probably get a deal like that for him and he can just fire clap bombs from the circle on the powerplay. Bonus if he's on LTIR for half the season too (the half season before the playoffs, of course).

 

[ps241]

That's fair. Hopefully he can somehow get back on track.

Never like to see players careers derailed because of health. It would be a good comeback story.

 

[Adam da bomb]

That's a valid point. But Jets turned sharply away from that last off-season when they signed Scheif and Helle. They have 2-3 years left in that window. And drafting 14-16 is not the kind of high pick that is likely to turn it around.

No, but, if they fail to make the playoffs they can either trade that 14th pick for immediate help or accept schief and Helly are sunk costs and just rebuild around them.

 

[KingBogo]

No way I give Dillon 5m.
I'd give DeMelo 5m if it was a 2 year deal.

3 x 4.75m for DD
2 x 4m for Dillon.
2 x 3.25m for Perfetti.
2 x 1m for Gus.
1 x 1m for Stanley.
1 x 1.7m for Miller.
2 x 4m for Mono.
2 x 1.8m for Desmith.

Buyout or trade Schmidt.
If we pick up Pulock, try to include Pionk in a deal to Buffalo and trade Stanley.

JMo Pulock
Dillon Pionk/Ville
Sammy DD/Miller
Heinola and Miller getting about 30 games each.

If Chevy wants to keep DeMelo he will need to go more than 3 years. His agent will know there is a 5 year deal out there somewhere on July 1 who played top pairing RHD and is easily top 4 RHD on most teams.

 

[KingBogo]

No, but, if they fail to make the playoffs they can either trade that 14th pick for immediate help or accept schief and Helly are sunk costs and just rebuild around them.

Based on everything the organization has said done over the last couple years suggests they will reload as best they can this off season and take another run at being successful. Their first goal will be to make the playoffs and go from there. Hopefully Chevy adds a piece or 2 that makes us a harder out in the playoffs.