Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[Hunter368]

I would recommend people chill and take the conversation down a couple notches. Friendly warning

 

[Heldig]

Utah will wantto make a splash,. Would Ehlers for a Simashev or Connor geekie work? Some sort of package/tweaking make something happen?

Not a chance Utah does either of those.

 

[tarozi]

I mean, none of that had anything to do with the post I replied to. You stated "they haven't done squat"... I replied that Brossoit did alright.

I had no feelings when they signed Apples - didn't really care one way or the other in the sense that they could pay him or someone else to do the exact same job. I assume they were comfortable with Appleton. As for Laine, I said I'd take him back for the right price. I wouldn't give up a whole lot to get him, I think he's broken. Here's to hoping he can be fixed, though. He seems like a legitimately nice guy that's had the love of hockey sucked out of him.

Fair thoughts. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that we look elsewhere when filling in players. We know what Apples brings to the lineup. I for one could do without it. Laine by all accounts is a good dude, wishing the best for him. Having said that, hard pass (see my old girlfriend rants). Brossoit was betting on himself and we only got 1 year of him, now we are starting over. Not a bad move by Chevy, but all he really did was slide the issue laterally to this season. The talk is about Comrie now. WTF. this is maddness.

The Jets need a new core/group to fit the style of play being asked of them. This is not working so something has to change. If they want to play fast, then they need to be fast. If they want to grind, then get more physical and play with an edge. They are neither of those things as constructed and all the talk is about bringing in players that won't move the needle to the right direction

 

[abax44]

Fair thoughts. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that we look elsewhere when filling in players. We know what Apples brings to the lineup. I for one could do without it. Laine by all accounts is a good dude, wishing the best for him. Having said that, hard pass (see my old girlfriend rants). Brossoit was betting on himself and we only got 1 year of him, now we are starting over. Not a bad move by Chevy, but all he really did was slide the issue laterally to this season. The talk is about Comrie now. WTF. this is maddness.

The Jets need a new core/group to fit the style of play being asked of them. This is not working so something has to change. If they want to play fast, then they need to be fast. If they want to grind, then get more physical and play with an edge. They are neither of those things as constructed and all the talk is about bringing in players that won't move the needle to the right direction

I don't disagree with anything you're saying.

 

[Jet]

I don't think the empty seats have all that much to do with the team's performance or exciting players. The team finished 4th overall and I went 10-1 at the eleven games I attended. Many were very entertaining wins against very popular visiting teams.

Several factors are impacting attendance, many outside of TNSE's control but a whole bunch within their control and they still don't get it.

I think the main issue is the economy, inflation, and interest rates.

People might come back with "well other teams have those problems too but they still draw" and that's where population proximity comes into play.

If I can't pay my car note I'm not dropping $300 to go to a hockey game.

A place like Tampa for instance has more wealth, an exponentially bigger surrounding population and tourism during hockey season to buffer these issues.

 

[Jet]

No way I give Dillon 5m.
I'd give DeMelo 5m if it was a 2 year deal.

3 x 4.75m for DD
2 x 4m for Dillon.
2 x 3.25m for Perfetti.
2 x 1m for Gus.
1 x 1m for Stanley.
1 x 1.7m for Miller.
2 x 4m for Mono.
2 x 1.8m for Desmith.

Buyout or trade Schmidt.
If we pick up Pulock, try to include Pionk in a deal to Buffalo and trade Stanley.

JMo Pulock
Dillon Pionk/Ville
Sammy DD/Miller
Heinola and Miller getting about 30 games each.

There's no way Miller signs here with his usage.

He could be an everyday player on many teams, I don't think he's looking to be bench relief in his prime.

Unfortunately the Jets have put themselves in a place of defense depth weakness when they used to be pretty rich.

Now I'm not saying most of these players were tragic losses, but we've lost out of our system:

Kovy
Gawanke
Capobianco
Chisholm

We're likely to lose at least one of DeMelo and Dillon, Miller, and SHOULD lose Schmidt

What that means is we probably have to keep Pionk and they might even justify keeping Schmidt. Stanley is also likely to be on the roster next year.

The one thing that I wish Bones would have done once we had a playoff spot in the bag was give guys like Capo, Heinola and Miller more playing time, especially with Pionk, Schmidt and Stanley playing at a level that wouldn't get them into the nhl in the first place if they didn't have seniority.

 

[Jet]

This is going to be an aggressive free agent market...I'm ready for the real possibility that every one of the Jets free agents finds greener grass. If that's the case Chevy will have work to do from the draft into July...Any guesses on who hands out the worst contract this offseason? You don't usually have so many defenseman available in free agency, I think the players/agents will win with the Cap going up.

I just wonder how the organization and coaches look at Stanley and Heinola this offseason...Is that the 3rd pairing to start the season? What kind of player could the Jets get back for Stanley?

If the Jets lose a bunch of players to attrition I would much rather the Jets use this as a integration year, instead of signing a bunch of plugs to go for it. It's just not a good offseason to go looking for logical replacements at key positions.

Bring in Heinola and Salmonsson, Lambert and Chibrikov, maybe even go wild and bring up McGroarty.

I know it will never happen but we need to start integrating these players, not kicking the can down the road.

We still have enough talent and experience to compete, and if it goes horribly, you can pick up players based on biggest need from Christmas on.

Its fun to dream.

 

[snowkiddin]

I would recommend people chill and take the conversation down a couple notches. Friendly warning

Gosh, that text is hard to read

 

[WolfHouse]

Gosh, that text is hard to read

Calm down dude

 

[Buffdog]

If the Jets lose a bunch of players to attrition I would much rather the Jets use this as a integration year, instead of signing a bunch of plugs to go for it. It's just not a good offseason to go looking for logical replacements at key positions.

Bring in Heinola and Salmonsson, Lambert and Chibrikov, maybe even go wild and bring up McGroarty.

I know it will never happen but we need to start integrating these players, not kicking the can down the road.

We still have enough talent and experience to compete, and if it goes horribly, you can pick up players based on biggest need from Christmas on.

Its fun to dream.

One of the biggest criticisms I have of the org is how they integrate their skilled but "non-blue chip" prospects (or rather how they don't)

They need a set pathway for skilled kids to enter the line up that isn't either on the 4th line playing 5 minutes a night or the top 6 with the pressure that goes along with it

Ideally there would be a 3rd line that gets soft matchups with the top pairing D on the ice with them.

That would involve moving away from the Lowry shutdown line model and more balanced top 9

 

[Weezeric]

One of the biggest criticisms I have of the org is how they integrate their skilled but "non-blue chip" prospects (or rather how they don't)

They need a set pathway for skilled kids to enter the line up that isn't either on the 4th line playing 5 minutes a night or the top 6 with the pressure that goes along with it

Ideally there would be a 3rd line that gets soft matchups with the top pairing D on the ice with them.

That would involve moving away from the Lowry shutdown line model and more balanced top 9

I would argue that they are doing exactly that. The Lowry and Scheifele lines take the hard matchups and the other line gets soft usage.

There aren’t enough spots to get 2-3 prospects a year in the top nine. Not unless you want to be a bad team that is.

 

[TS Quint]

You could see him reach 30 goals? He was on pace for 33 the previous year and 38 before that, both while battling injuries. If he was healthy I don't think 40+ would be a question. Sure they figured him out a bit but he still has the best shot in the league. Not to mention his assists were up as well. I always thought he was an underrated passer. What I liked about him is he could be a game changer. Team could be stagnant and not doing anything but his shot from anywhere could go in at any team and change the game.

Laine might be the worst passer in the NHL. For the last year he was here he couldn’t be trusted to pass the puck back to Wheeler or anywhere else on the PP. they made him ring it around the boards so he wouldn’t give it away.

I also don’t trust them to stay healthy. He’s too lazy to go to the gym, no wonder he’s always hurt. If it’s not a physical injury, this year it’s a mental injury. I have my doubts he signs another contract. Maybe he doesn’t even finish this one. I feel he’s a lot like Buff, he doesn’t like hockey, he just happens to be good at it.


$8.7m for 60 games a year for a one dimensional player that his team mates don’t like is too much. Let him whine his way on to a 3rd team that isn’t the Jets.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Pretty much everyone thought Scheifele and Helly were gone last season so who knows what happens this offseason. Chevy could surprise us all.

Is it about Chevy surprising us, or is it about Ehlers surprising us?

 

[Buffdog]

I would argue that they are doing exactly that. The Lowry and Scheifele lines take the hard matchups and the other line gets soft usage.

There aren’t enough spots to get 2-3 prospects a year in the top nine. Not unless you want to be a bad team that is.

The problem is that the line that is getting the soft matchups is expected to win them. Schiefs line will never with their matchups consistently and the Lowry line is hopefully a saw-off

That's why I said they need to be integrated without the pressure of being in the top six.

Look at what happened to Perfetti on that line last year (I call it the 2nd line, but people may disagree based on minutes and usage). He needed to be in a spot where he could work his way through his struggles, but the only options where where he was, the 4th line or the pressbox

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I saw a post on the Isles board that Pulock is getting married this summer to a girl from Long Island.

He always had a NTC, but if that is true then the idea of him possibly waiving it probably takes a hit.

That's a change. He had a long term GF in Manitoba.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Agents leak potential trades in order to get one team moving on it

So many NTC on the Islanders it seems unlikely a deal gets done unless it involves a 3rd team.

Would you be happy with Brock Nelson + 2nd for Ehlers?

Next year is his 33 YO season. He will be a pending UFA. He has trade protection.

No!

I just can't see them making a deal that we would be happy about and no way you are getting either Dobson or Romanov out of them. I don't think Pulock wants to come back here and Pelech is kind of meh for me.

Maybe they add in LA's 1st instead or a third team is involved but we really need to fill out the 2nd line center spot next year more so then the defense(i mean if they sign Demelo if not well that is an issue as well)

We certainly need a 2C. Not sure that getting an aging one for 1 season is the solution.

But you can't ignore the weakness in the D corps either. That is with DeMelo. Obviously even worse without him.

 

[Weezeric]

The problem is that the line that is getting the soft matchups is expected to win them. Schiefs line will never with their matchups consistently and the Lowry line is hopefully a saw-off

That's why I said they need to be integrated without the pressure of being in the top six.

Look at what happened to Perfetti on that line last year (I call it the 2nd line, but people may disagree based on minutes and usage). He needed to be in a spot where he could work his way through his struggles, but the only options where where he was, the 4th line or the pressbox

The Lowry line was not a saw off. It was dominant by every metric. Over 60GF%, 57xG%. All while getting tough matchups and 36% defensive zone starts. Breaking up that line to get a guy going would be foolish, unless you don’t care about winning.

What are the other options for a struggling player on the soft offensive line? Getting promoted to the top line and playing against McDavid and McKinnon every night?

 

[Gm0ney]

Laine might be the worst passer in the NHL. For the last year he was here he couldn’t be trusted to pass the puck back to Wheeler or anywhere else on the PP. they made him ring it around the boards so he wouldn’t give it away.

I also don’t trust them to stay healthy. He’s too lazy to go to the gym, no wonder he’s always hurt. If it’s not a physical injury, this year it’s a mental injury. I have my doubts he signs another contract. Maybe he doesn’t even finish this one. I feel he’s a lot like Buff, he doesn’t like hockey, he just happens to be good at it.


$8.7m for 60 games a year for a one dimensional player that his team mates don’t like is too much. Let him whine his way on to a 3rd team that isn’t the Jets.

Laine is a good passer, he just tries too many risky passes. In his first couple of years I'd see him try something risky that ended up as a turnover but thought he'd figure out what he could get away - and he never really did. At least that was my eye test evaluation of his playmaking as a Jet.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I am still of the opinion it will be an asset trade and not a player for player deal. Like draft pick(s) plus a NHL ready type of prospect the Jets like

That all depends on which pick and which prospect. Can range anywhere from great to terrible.

If it is true that Pulock would not waive to come here then it is hard to see any deal with NYI.

 

[Buffdog]

The Lowry line was not a saw off. It was dominant by every metric. Over 60GF%, 57xG%. All while getting tough matchups and 36% defensive zone starts. Breaking up that line to get a guy going would be foolish, unless you don’t care about winning.

What are the other options for a struggling player on the soft offensive line? Getting promoted to the top line and playing against McDavid and McKinnon every night?

Um, except actual goal differential. They were a +7 in 58 games, so there were even (aka a saw-off) 51/58 of those games, or 88% of games

Thats accordong to naturalstattrick
.

 

[Weezeric]

Um, except actual goal differential. They were a +7 in 58 games, so there were even (aka a saw-off) 51/58 of those games, or 88% of games

Thats accordong to naturalstattrick
.

That’s one way to look at it. I see 76 games on naturalstattrick, with 15 goals against. That means in at least 61 games they gave up zero goals playing against all the top players; McDavid, MacKinnon, Hintz and Robertson, Kaprizov etc.

They did this while starting mostly in the defensive zone.

Look at how Florida is winning right now. Defensive hockey.

 

[surixon]

Um, except actual goal differential. They were a +7 in 58 games, so there were even (aka a saw-off) 51/58 of those games, or 88% of games

Thats accordong to naturalstattrick
.

They won their matchups last year, but hadn't done a great job at it the prior number of years.

I do think this org is a bit rigid in how they elect to construct lines likely due to loving Lowry as a shutdown C but last year isn't a great example of it.

What should have happened is they should have just left Cole on line 2 to figure it out just like they left all the rest of our players who struggled to produce like Nino etc in their roles.

 

[Whileee]

Ehlers might not have a strong playoff record, but the Jets will be hard-pressed to make the playoffs in a strengthening Western Conference, and Ehlers would definitely help the Jets get into the playoffs. He'll be hard to replace on this roster in a number of dimensions. Getting into the playoffs is not a gimme.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I wonder what careers earn more than professional nhl athlete.

Rich daddy comes to mind.

 

[Buffdog]

That’s one way to look at it. I see 76 games on naturalstattrick, with 15 goals against. That means in at least 61 games they gave up zero goals playing against all the top players; McDavid, MacKinnon, Hintz and Robertson, Kaprizov etc.

They did this while starting mostly in the defensive zone.

Look at how Florida is winning right now. Defensive hockey.

I'm not arguing for or against how the lines are structured other than how it makes it tough to integrate youth

It's my opinion (I beat this dead horse all season with posters who complained about line combinations) that the org has taken the approach that Lowry and Schief's lines match up vs other teams best and then whoever is on that "2nd line" should feast on softer matchups. I personally think that's why Ehlers spent so much time on the "2nd line".. it wasn't because he was being demoted from Schief's line, but rather to make his line more dominant

Based on that structure, there is some pressure that goes along with being on that line. That's all I'm saying