Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[DRW204]

If the Jets can flip Ehlers and maybe Heinola for Necas, and extend Necas for 7-8 years (maybe 8.3M), that would be a nice piece of work. I like that more than signing Monahan as the 2C.

Necas gives the Jets a young RS forward with a ton of speed, and they can add forwards like Perfetti, Lambert, McGroarty, Chibrikov and Barlow around him.

I don't see a huge risk, and it could turn into a home run. Question is whether Necas would sign a long term deal with the Jets.

you don't see a huge risk of essentially giving mid 8s for a player who - on a great team - has been a sub-60 pt pace player in the past 2 of 3 seasons & a career 0.67 PPG player (peak of 0.87 PPG)? not to mention he barely plays C or isn't viewed as a C by the team that knows him best.

 

[cbcwpg]

Re: Laine

“[Trading him is] the goal from everyone involved,” LeBrun said on TSN’s “Insider Trading” on Wednesday. “He would like to move on. His agent has had conversations with the Blue Jackets about it, and both sides are going work together to try and get that done. He wants a fresh start. Hasn't been a good fit in Columbus. Four years at $8.7 million per year — let’s see how big that market is.”

“Given his offensive struggles in Columbus, it may not be a huge market for him,” LeBrun wrote on Wednesday. “On the other hand, there’s the allure of a potential bounce-back season for a star player energized by a fresh start. Depending on the acquisition cost, a team might see itself picking up a 40-goal scorer at a reduced price.”

 

[abax44]

Bring him home!
All seriousness, want to see our PP get fixed?

Hey, I'd take him in a heartbeat (for the right price/cost).

 

[ps241]

Re: Laine

“[Trading him is] the goal from everyone involved,” LeBrun said on TSN’s “Insider Trading” on Wednesday. “He would like to move on. His agent has had conversations with the Blue Jackets about it, and both sides are going work together to try and get that done. He wants a fresh start. Hasn't been a good fit in Columbus. Four years at $8.7 million per year — let’s see how big that market is.”

“Given his offensive struggles in Columbus, it may not be a huge market for him,” LeBrun wrote on Wednesday. “On the other hand, there’s the allure of a potential bounce-back season for a star player energized by a fresh start. Depending on the acquisition cost, a team might see itself picking up a 40-goal scorer at a reduced price.”

I know Lebrun is spittballing but Laine had one 40 goal season when he had an inflated shooting % and the league hadn’t quite figured him out yet.

Laine goal totals per season

36
44 (Still a teenager that was shooting close to 20% that year)

30
28
12
26
22
6

Between injuries, poor teams, lack of confidence, and just a general decline, Laine’s best days were when he was a teenager on a stacked team. IF, and it’s a huge IF he could stay healthy and he played on a better team I could see him reaching 30 goals again but I doubt it would be for more than one season. He’s most likely not going to stay healthy enough anymore. He’ll be 27 in April so we’ll see who gives him a shot.

The main problem I see is he is not a systems guy or a team guy. If he’s anything like he was in the past he wants to score, and he wants the team shaped to that end. Not many team signing up for that act these days.

 

[Aries56]

I know Lebrun is spittballing but Laine had one 40 goal season when he had an inflated shooting % and the league hadn’t quite figured him out yet.

Laine goal totals per season

36
44 (Still a teenager that was shooting close to 20% that year)

30
28
12
26
22
6

Between injuries, poor teams, lack of confidence, and just a general decline, Laine’s best days were when he was a teenager on a stacked team. IF, and it’s a huge IF he could stay healthy and he played on a better team I could see him reaching 30 goals again but I doubt it would be for more than one season. He’s most likely not going to stay healthy enough anymore. He’ll be 27 in April so we’ll see who gives him a shot.

The main problem I see is he is not a systems guy or a team guy. If he’s anything like he was in the past he wants to score, and he wants the team shaped to that end. Not many team signing up for that act these days.

I might take some flack for this, but this is how I've always seen Ehlers. If he played to the system, he would be a much more north / south player. If he's spent time in the coaches doghouse, I think that's why.

 

[voyageur]

Re: Laine

“[Trading him is] the goal from everyone involved,” LeBrun said on TSN’s “Insider Trading” on Wednesday. “He would like to move on. His agent has had conversations with the Blue Jackets about it, and both sides are going work together to try and get that done. He wants a fresh start. Hasn't been a good fit in Columbus. Four years at $8.7 million per year — let’s see how big that market is.”

“Given his offensive struggles in Columbus, it may not be a huge market for him,” LeBrun wrote on Wednesday. “On the other hand, there’s the allure of a potential bounce-back season for a star player energized by a fresh start. Depending on the acquisition cost, a team might see itself picking up a 40-goal scorer at a reduced price.”

Wonder if Don Waddell's first trade involves sending Laine to Carolina...Might have a career year with Aho as a centre.

 

[gojetsgo]

So with Laine, Ehlers, Necas and Marner all up on the trade boards this summer it seems everyone is looking to unload their soft playoff performers.

It's going to be tough to get any kind of decent return for Ehlers when so many other options are out there.

the way lebrun/dreger were talking about laine today it seems like he will be very hard to move, marner has so much control over his contract the market for him is going to be very small, I think the same teams in on necas would be in on ehlers and it would not surprise me at all if ehlers ends up being a hurricane

 

[snowkiddin]

I know Lebrun is spittballing but Laine had one 40 goal season when he had an inflated shooting % and the league hadn’t quite figured him out yet.

Laine goal totals per season

36
44 (Still a teenager that was shooting close to 20% that year)

30
28
12
26
22
6

Between injuries, poor teams, lack of confidence, and just a general decline, Laine’s best days were when he was a teenager on a stacked team. IF, and it’s a huge IF he could stay healthy and he played on a better team I could see him reaching 30 goals again but I doubt it would be for more than one season. He’s most likely not going to stay healthy enough anymore. He’ll be 27 in April so we’ll see who gives him a shot.

The main problem I see is he is not a systems guy or a team guy. If he’s anything like he was in the past he wants to score, and he wants the team shaped to that end. Not many team signing up for that act these days.

This is like reading the antithesis of the hockey professor

 

[Heldig]

Injuries took away his world class shot. Without it he is an ordinary player.

 

[WolfHouse]

the way lebrun/dreger were talking about laine today it seems like he will be very hard to move, marner has so much control over his contract the market for him is going to be very small, I think the same teams in on necas would be in on ehlers and it would not surprise me at all if ehlers ends up being a hurricane

Id be shocked if Marner doesn't go to Pittsburgh for basically a pick... and likely retained

 

[Daximus]

Iafallo, Kupari and a 2nd for Laine?

I would welcome Laine back, he probably fits in better now with Wheeler gone and a healthy locker room.

I could be wrong, but I remember him in the playoffs being one of the few guys grinding hard and actually playing to win.

He would also probably encourage Ehlers to re-sign.

Maybe. We know him and Ehlers were very good friends but we also know the old leadership core was not overly enamoured with how he went about things. A lot of them still remain (Scheif, Lowry and Morrissey) the team is in a much better place in the locker room now.

I see zero reason why we would want to jeopardize that and I have a feeling we are about the only team that has zero interest in potentially adding him at really any cost because of that.

the way lebrun/dreger were talking about laine today it seems like he will be very hard to move, marner has so much control over his contract the market for him is going to be very small, I think the same teams in on necas would be in on ehlers and it would not surprise me at all if ehlers ends up being a hurricane

I think CBJ would love to get a good return from him and move on but Laine's value is about the lowest it's ever been. They'd be best served letting him play next year and hopefully stay healthy and have a good start to the season and then move him for increased value then. Though if things go south he could further tank any remaining value he has.

Yeah Necas for Ehlers seems like a move that could very likely happen. I'm not in love with it but it's a fresh start for both players.

Marner has total control over where he ends up and with the contract he wants he's going to be very tough to move.

 

[ps241]

Wonder if Don Waddell's first trade involves sending Laine to Carolina...Might have a career year with Aho as a centre.

Brind Amore and Laine would go together like Ice Cream and Onions. There is zero chance the new GM would get within twenty miles from Pate.

 

[Channelcat]

I know Lebrun is spittballing but Laine had one 40 goal season when he had an inflated shooting % and the league hadn’t quite figured him out yet.

Laine goal totals per season

36
44 (Still a teenager that was shooting close to 20% that year)

30
28
12
26
22
6

Between injuries, poor teams, lack of confidence, and just a general decline, Laine’s best days were when he was a teenager on a stacked team. IF, and it’s a huge IF he could stay healthy and he played on a better team I could see him reaching 30 goals again but I doubt it would be for more than one season. He’s most likely not going to stay healthy enough anymore. He’ll be 27 in April so we’ll see who gives him a shot.

The main problem I see is he is not a systems guy or a team guy. If he’s anything like he was in the past he wants to score, and he wants the team shaped to that end. Not many team signing up for that act these days.

Agreed, you'd have to be fairly naive to think there's going to be a "bounce back".

 

[surixon]

Maybe. We know him and Ehlers were very good friends but we also know the old leadership core was not overly enamoured with how he went about things. A lot of them still remain (Scheif, Lowry and Morrissey) the team is in a much better place in the locker room now.

I see zero reason why we would want to jeopardize that and I have a feeling we are about the only team that has zero interest in potentially adding him at really any cost because of that.



I think CBJ would love to get a good return from him and move on but Laine's value is about the lowest it's ever been. They'd be best served letting him play next year and hopefully stay healthy and have a good start to the season and then move him for increased value then. Though if things go south he could further tank any remaining value he has.

Yeah Necas for Ehlers seems like a move that could very likely happen. I'm not in love with it but it's a fresh start for both players.

Marner has total control over where he ends up and with the contract he wants he's going to be very tough to move.

Necas would bring more size which is what some people on here want. He also is a good skater which helps mitigate some of the loss of speed by Nik. I think him and Cole would work well together.

 

[tarozi]

Comrie played well in his last stop in Winnipeg. Gets along well with Helle. Flaherty has a track record with reclamation projects. Turns 29 years old next month. And he’ll be cheap. I dunno… it doesn’t seem crazy IMO to at least be considered an option.

I'm not one to want to beat you up but what is wrong with the fans on here that keep bringing up re-acquiring past players. Do you remember when we lost Dano.... bring him back everyone was saying. We lost Armea, same thing. We lost, X, Y, Z etc...... It's a big world out there, stop talking about bringing back players and focus on the future. How is bringing someone back when they didn't do squat for us going to make us better. I'd sooner be interested in focusing on players with potential as opposed to bringing back the same old status quo.

 

[Gil Fisher]

I'm not one to want to beat you up but what is wrong with the fans on here that keep bringing up re-acquiring past players. Do you remember when we lost Dano.... bring him back everyone was saying. We lost Armea, same thing. We lost, X, Y, Z etc...... It's a big world out there, stop talking about bringing back players and focus on the future. How is bringing someone back when they didn't do squat for us going to make us better. I'd sooner be interested in focusing on players with potential as opposed to bringing back the same old status quo.

Still thinking about getting back together with my ex-girlfriend from 1989. Wonder what she looks like now.

 

[tarozi]

Still thinking about getting back together with my ex-girlfriend from 1989. Wonder what she looks like now.

That's what I'm talking about Baby, lol. So Winnipeg of us!!!!! My father-in-law said it best, never chase buses or women, another one will come along in a few minutes. I'll substitute both for ex Jet's. He wasn't know as a wise man, but he ain't wrong.

 

[Daximus]

Necas would bring more size which is what some people on here want. He also is a good skater which helps mitigate some of the loss of speed by Nik. I think him and Cole would work well together.

Yeah he's bigger than Nik and more physical and skates extremely well, clocked at one of the 5 fastest burst speeds this year with the puck on his stick by NHL Edge. He's by all accounts likely just as good as Ehlers in transition and that is capped off by being first in overtime goals scored over the last 3 seasons. Tying McDavid and Nylander for that honour. Has a bit of scoring touch but is more of a playmaker,

We could do far worse than Necas for Ehlers.

His big issue is he wants to play center. He's pretty abysmal on the dot and like Ehlers, seems to be allergic to going to the slot. Top that off with being pretty unengaged defensively and it doesn't make for a good center argument. He's also suffering a lot of similar criticism from his own fanbase as Ehlers is from ours. Just turns into even more of a perimeter player in the playoffs.

The upside to him is that unlike Nik, he is bigger and he is more physical and despite not being great as a C, he can play there if we need him to in a pinch and could potentially find his way in our system as a C. Though I wouldn't hold my breath on that last one.

 

[kylbaz]

I know Lebrun is spittballing but Laine had one 40 goal season when he had an inflated shooting % and the league hadn’t quite figured him out yet.

Laine goal totals per season

36
44 (Still a teenager that was shooting close to 20% that year)

30
28
12
26
22
6

Between injuries, poor teams, lack of confidence, and just a general decline, Laine’s best days were when he was a teenager on a stacked team. IF, and it’s a huge IF he could stay healthy and he played on a better team I could see him reaching 30 goals again but I doubt it would be for more than one season. He’s most likely not going to stay healthy enough anymore. He’ll be 27 in April so we’ll see who gives him a shot.

The main problem I see is he is not a systems guy or a team guy. If he’s anything like he was in the past he wants to score, and he wants the team shaped to that end. Not many team signing up for that act these days.

You could see him reach 30 goals? He was on pace for 33 the previous year and 38 before that, both while battling injuries. If he was healthy I don't think 40+ would be a question. Sure they figured him out a bit but he still has the best shot in the league. Not to mention his assists were up as well. I always thought he was an underrated passer. What I liked about him is he could be a game changer. Team could be stagnant and not doing anything but his shot from anywhere could go in at any team and change the game.

 

[Buffdog]

We could do far worse than Necas for Ehlers.

His big issue is he wants to play center. He's pretty abysmal on the dot and like Ehlers, seems to be allergic to going to the slot. Top that off with being pretty unengaged defensively and it doesn't make for a good center argument. He's also suffering a lot of similar criticism from his own fanbase as Ehlers is from ours. Just turns into even more of a perimeter player in the playoffs.

The upside to him is that unlike Nik, he is bigger and he is more physical and despite not being great as a C, he can play there if we need him to in a pinch and could potentially find his way in our system as a C. Though I wouldn't hold my breath on that last one.

Since we're comparing trade to returns ro women, I look at Necas' skill set and I think "I could fix him"

 

[surixon]

Yeah he's bigger than Nik and more physical and skates extremely well, clocked at one of the 5 fastest burst speeds this year with the puck on his stick by NHL Edge. He's by all accounts likely just as good as Ehlers in transition and that is capped off by being first in overtime goals scored over the last 3 seasons. Tying McDavid and Nylander for that honour. Has a bit of scoring touch but is more of a playmaker,

We could do far worse than Necas for Ehlers.

His big issue is he wants to play center. He's pretty abysmal on the dot and like Ehlers, seems to be allergic to going to the slot. Top that off with being pretty unengaged defensively and it doesn't make for a good center argument. He's also suffering a lot of similar criticism from his own fanbase as Ehlers is from ours. Just turns into even more of a perimeter player in the playoffs.

The upside to him is that unlike Nik, he is bigger and he is more physical and despite not being great as a C, he can play there if we need him to in a pinch and could potentially find his way in our system as a C. Though I wouldn't hold my breath on that last one.

Yeah. I see him as a winger myself. Interesting about the perimeter player argument. I haven't seen him enough to really comment on that but his NHL edge shot data looks more like KC's then Ehelers. But he seems to have average finishing ability. Maybe he'd be a better fit with Mark who has a grade A shot and needs someone to puah the puck on transition. I think one of the things he wanted was top line usage.

 

[drumzan]

I'm not one to want to beat you up but what is wrong with the fans on here that keep bringing up re-acquiring past players. Do you remember when we lost Dano.... bring him back everyone was saying. We lost Armea, same thing. We lost, X, Y, Z etc...... It's a big world out there, stop talking about bringing back players and focus on the future. How is bringing someone back when they didn't do squat for us going to make us better. I'd sooner be interested in focusing on players with potential as opposed to bringing back the same old status quo.

Comrie played 19 games for the Jets in 21-22 with a .920 save %, and 2.58 GAA.

 

[Jet]

Iafallo, Lucius and Rashevsky for Laine

Ehlers Scheifele Laine
Connor Perfetti Vilardi
Niedereiter Lowry Appleton
Barron Lambert Namestnikov

Why would we give that much for severely damaged, extremely expensive goods?

Maybe lucius and retention as a reclamation project?

 

[ps241]

This is like reading the antithesis of the hockey professor

Very true

He was one of the first Lainiac mafia I put on ignore.

 

[Gm0ney]

I think whatever magic Laine had is gone. He's still a prolific scorer, but he's had a lot of injuries, and his mental health seems like an issue...even when he was here, he was prone to crises of confidence where you could see he was just so down on himself. His analytics are godawful for a star player as well.