Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[abax44]

I'm not one to want to beat you up but what is wrong with the fans on here that keep bringing up re-acquiring past players. Do you remember when we lost Dano.... bring him back everyone was saying. We lost Armea, same thing. We lost, X, Y, Z etc...... It's a big world out there, stop talking about bringing back players and focus on the future. How is bringing someone back when they didn't do squat for us going to make us better. I'd sooner be interested in focusing on players with potential as opposed to bringing back the same old status quo.

Brossoit worked out OK.

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

I can actually see the team bringing back Laine to fill some seats. Other than Byfuglien, he may be the most exciting player we’ve ever had - our dip in fan support seemed to come right after trading him. I’m not saying that he’s a great solution (and he would probably want Ehlers around too), but that’s how you could make this team watchable again and drive gate revenues, which will be important if we continue to spend to the cap.

 

[lanky]

Why would we give that much for severely damaged, extremely expensive goods?

Maybe lucius and retention as a reclamation project?

I think you're over-valuing the offered pieces.

Lucius and retention does not beat other offers from around the league, which is probably what you're hoping based on your characterization of Laine.

 

[ps241]

You could see him reach 30 goals? He was on pace for 33 the previous year and 38 before that, both while battling injuries. If he was healthy I don't think 40+ would be a question. Sure they figured him out a bit but he still has the best shot in the league. Not to mention his assists were up as well. I always thought he was an underrated passer. What I liked about him is he could be a game changer. Team could be stagnant and not doing anything but his shot from anywhere could go in at any team and change the game.

"if he was healthy"? We aren't living in a dream world.

He has averaged 51 games per season (adjusted for Covid) over the past 5 seasons. He hasn't hit 30 goals in half a decade. Pace only counts if you play 82 games.

Lastly, even if you took his last 5 seasons goal scoring pace he would have averaged 30 goals per season which is ok but nothing special anymore. This past season there were 47 guys that reached the 30 goal scoring level. The 22-23 season there were over 50 players that reached the 30 goal level. Year before that there were 50 players that scored 30 or more goals.

His 30 goals "IF HEALTHY" wouldn't be in the top 40 NHL goal scores anymore.

 

[surixon]

"if he was healthy"? We aren't living in a dream world.

He has averaged 51 games per season (adjusted for Covid) over the past 5 seasons. He hasn't hit 30 goals in half a decade. Pace only counts if you play 82 games.

Lastly if you take his last 5 seasons and take his goal scoring pace he would have averaged 30 goals per season which is ok but nothing special anymore. This past season there were 47 guys that reached the 30 goal scoring level. The 22-23 season there were over 50 players that reached the 30 goal level. Year before that there were 50 players that scored 30 goals.

His 30 goals "IF HEALTHY" wouldn't be in the top 40 NHL goal scores anymore.

Yup, add in the warts in his game and he's juat not worth the headache.

Convince Toews to play one year here in the bottom 6 if you want to sell some extra jerseys and tickets.

 

[Jet]

I think you're over-valuing the offered pieces.

Lucius and retention does not beat other offers from around the league, which is probably what you're hoping based on your characterization of Laine.

Thats fine - honestly, I don't want the org to do it, nor do I think Patrik would come back here.

All I'm saying is there's risk in bringing Laine back here, even for no assets returned. If someone wants to overpay for the risk, so beit.

 

[Whileee]

I like Laine. I think the Jets have a bit of a hole in right shot forwards, especially in the short term. However, the Jets can probably find better ways to spend $8.7M in cap space, all things considered.

 

[lanky]

I have a high risk tolerance.
He was a very special player when he was here.

 

[None]

I'd still take Laine back at the right price despite the obvious risk. The right price is probably too low for Columbus though, they're probably trying to salvage as much as they can.
It's probably going to be a game of chicken with every team bidding low.

 

[gojetsgo]

we finally get linked to a player and all people can talk about is an older jet that's very unlikely to come back

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Until the last 5 games. He was playing better after being called out by the coach, will it last who knows? Plus no one cares about regular season it’s all about the playoffs.

We've seen spurts of less bad D play from KC before. It never lasts long.

No one cares about the regular season? Don't let 110 pts make you complacent about the regular season. Jets could easily slip right out of the PO picture. With the anticipated losses of Ehlers, Brossoit, Dillon and cementing Monahan at 2C all it would take is a little drop in Helle's play.

 

[WolfHouse]

we finally get linked to a player and all people can talk about is an older jet that's very unlikely to come back

Im pretty sure Chevy was trying to trade Laine for Necas before the PLD thing came about... seem to remember that rumour

Signed Ehlers and 50% retained Pionk for Necas maybe a bit of a pipe dream but not that far off

 

[buggs]

I can actually see the team bringing back Laine to fill some seats. Other than Byfuglien, he may be the most exciting player we’ve ever had - our dip in fan support seemed to come right after trading him. I’m not saying that he’s a great solution (and he would probably want Ehlers around too), but that’s how you could make this team watchable again and drive gate revenues, which will be important if we continue to spend to the cap.

I don't think the empty seats have all that much to do with the team's performance or exciting players. The team finished 4th overall and I went 10-1 at the eleven games I attended. Many were very entertaining wins against very popular visiting teams.

Several factors are impacting attendance, many outside of TNSE's control but a whole bunch within their control and they still don't get it.

 

[Adam da bomb]

We've seen spurts of less bad D play from KC before. It never lasts long.

No one cares about the regular season? Don't let 110 pts make you complacent about the regular season. Jets could easily slip right out of the PO picture. With the anticipated losses of Ehlers, Brossoit, Dillon and cementing Monahan at 2C all it would take is a little drop in Helle's play.

I’ll take stronger in playoffs than stronger in regular season and disappears in the playoffs.

 

[ps241]

I don't think the empty seats have all that much to do with the team's performance or exciting players. The team finished 4th overall and I went 10-1 at the eleven games I attended. Many were very entertaining wins against very popular visiting teams.

Several factors are impacting attendance, many outside of TNSE's control but a whole bunch within their control and they still don't get it.

Mark did pay lip service to it but talk is cheap. Its very difficult to transform an established culture.

 

[gojetsgo]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1801305896653623757

 

[tarozi]

Brossoit worked out OK.

Did he really make that much of a difference. Did we make the playoffs because of him.

How did you feel when they signed Appleton... Now you guys want to bring back Laine.... ummm no thanks.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

It will be interesting to see what the Jets do with their cap space this summer. First questions surround how much cap space they'll have. I won't be surprised if they buy Schmidt out. I also wonder if they might consider trading Iafallo, considering he's making 4M and was down to 4th line usage in the playoffs. Of course, an Ehlers trade would be a big variable.

My guess is that the Jets would prioritize DeMelo and Monahan over Dillon. Remember that Arniel ran the Jets' D, and decided to start with a Stanley-Samberg pair. That suggests that he's a supporter of Stanley, and might consider moving Samberg over to RD. That might mean that the Jets won't break the bank to sign Dillon, especially if they see Heinola as a LD.

Hope you're wrong about how Arniel imagines his D corps. With or without Dillon, Stanley shouldn't be the regular 3LD and Samberg should not be on the right side. I think Heinola is a much better candidate to play his off side. Keeping Miller might help.

Assuming Dillon walks and DeMelo signs:
Morrissey - DeMelo
Samberg - Pionk
Heinola - Miller

Without Miller, we might be forced to go with Stanley - Heinola as our 3rd pair. But there must be some 3rd pair level D available either in trade or FA. Or there is the return in an Ehlers trade. If that ends up being futures then maybe we can trade them for a Dman.

 

[Daximus]

Hope you're wrong about how Arniel imagines his D corps. With or without Dillon, Stanley shouldn't be the regular 3LD and Samberg should not be on the right side. I think Heinola is a much better candidate to play his off side. Keeping Miller might help.

Assuming Dillon walks and DeMelo signs:
Morrissey - DeMelo
Samberg - Pionk
Heinola - Miller

Without Miller, we might be forced to go with Stanley - Heinola as our 3rd pair. But there must be some 3rd pair level D available either in trade or FA. Or there is the return in an Ehlers trade. If that ends up being futures then maybe we can trade them for a Dman.

Given they didn't really want to play Miller at all I doubt we keep him.

 

[buggs]

Mark did pay lip service to it but talk is cheap. Its very difficult to transform an established culture.

Yeah, from my perspective as a STH it's pretty much all lip service. I don't want to derail the thread completely by going on a rant but nothing has changed at all in my opinion. We've dropped to half a season and will be out after 2024-25. I'd have dumped them even for this year, but some guys in my group wanted to continue one more year and the half season takes me down to only 7 games, which is what I'd probably attend without season tickets anyway.

 

[tarozi]

Just curious, is there a list anywhere of players that left for whatever reason and returned to the same team either by signing or in a trade.

 

[Aphid]

I really hope the Jets don't somehow get Necas. No matter if he is good or not, I can't stand his last name and how it's pronounced. Would be hard to cheer for him as it's nails on a chalk board hearing it. It's that same annoyance I get when I'd hear John-Michael Liles or, currently, Nugent-Hopkins.

 

[buggs]

Given they didn't really want to play Miller at all I doubt we keep him.

This one has baffled me for a while and why the Jets seem to do this every so often (Hayes sticks out). Miller seemed to check a lot of boxes and seemed a good pickup at a reasonable price for a need. Nothing stellar, but solid and helpful. Then we don't play him at all and likely didn't integrate him into the culture of the room. Why would he stay? But also why give up even a lower draft pick at all if you aren't going to use him? Seems foolish to me.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Pretty hard to blame a guy who was moved to this off-side for the first time JUST as the playoffs were starting...

I'm personally fine with Samberg as our second pairing - even if he's still playing on his off-side from the start of the season with Dillon, just get him experience with hard match ups early in the season

Just want the team to move on from forcing Stan into the lineup and playing Pionk in our top 4

Pionk or Schmidt buyout covers the cost of Perfetti's raise or buyout both and you cover Dillon's ask
DeMelo at 5 years x 4.5-5m - I just don't see how you offer him less after the garbage contract that Pionk was awarded for one good season
top pairing RHD - either one of these guys is going to cost $$$ - I think Dillon gets 3-4 years from someone at $6m and 1 RHD likely costs 7+ Jets only have that space if they trade Ehlers
Its so crazy we threw away Chisholm and Kova... we need those league min contracts now

Colin Miller was our best shot at an upgrade imo... I don't see any UFA that will pick the Jets and the trade market is hyper competitive for RHD

Even in a crazy FA market I don't see Dillon getting either 4 years or 6 mil. More like 2x5 or 3x4. Something in that ballpark. DeMelo at 4x5 looks about right to me. I hope it doesn't take a 5th year.

 

[gojetsgo]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1801305896653623757

https://x.com/i/web/status/1801309847935197671