Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[Atoyot]

Oir pp went straight back to shit?

It's looked pretty good to me

Sorry, first unit has gone straight back to shit.

 

[Thechozen1]

we've hardly had any powerplays recently and we need them both, vilardi is good at setting people up while monahan is a big part of the reason the passing lanes started opening up allowing him to set up goals

Not to mention winning the majority of faceoffs so they’re starting with control of the puck instead of skating back 200 ft to get it.

 

[Buffdog]

Sorry, first unit has gone straight back to shit.

I remember how awesome the Jets PP was when they had Vilardi but before they acquired Monahan... they were only... *checks notes*.... zero for January and February

If your position is that Vilardi makes the power play awesome, explain that. He was here for all that time and there was no Monahan

 

[DRW204]

Idk I think the PP has been quicker and getting vilardi the puck with has hands down low has been more of a factor.

Monahan does influence that a bit, but it's not like the Jets had chumps on the PP where opposing teams didn't have to make note of. Like you think ppl weren't being aware of Connor, scheifele and Morrissey, on top of Vilardi?

The Jets w/o Monahan on the ice has 6 (in 28mins) of the 14 PP goals since Feb 6.... So I think it's been a bit of an overall change.

 

[Jet]

Sorry, first unit has gone straight back to shit.

Again, I thought they've looked good. They're moving around much more which is taking opposing pks out of structure.

I do think it misses Vilardi net side with the dual threat of either passing to the bumper for a one t or just dragging it in front. Maybe toffoli could do that?

 

[Jet]

I remember how awesome the Jets PP was when they had Vilardi but before they acquired Monahan... they were only... *checks notes*.... zero for January and February

If your position is that Vilardi makes the power play awesome, explain that. He was here for all that time and there was no Monahan

This is wild but I think it's both and neither.

I think the material change is that the powerplay is moving around, something we were screaming about the first half.

Whether it was these players forcing the guys to move by moving themselves, or just the fact that they have the skill to execute on plays I'm not sure.

 

[DRW204]

100%
If Volare gets healthy for the playoffs, our PP should be on fire.
We have plenty of talent to have 2 great powerplay units.
The PP could be of great use against a team like the Avs that have beefed up for the playoffs.
If they take a penalty, make them pay.

JMo Volare Scheif KFC Toffoli
Miller Nino Ehlers Perfetti Monahan


If everything goes okay, I'd Monahan him 10m over 3 years but I agree that Tof might be the player to extend.

10M/3 years oh yeah for sure like that kind of deal is low risk. it ultimately depends what he wants, alternatives out there etc. my comment was moreso on how the Jets' 2nd line has performed pre & post his acquisition since we don't know what his $$$ demands may be.

 

[pegcity]

Not sure he'll be "cheap". But I believe Jets will sign him.

I'm sure one of the analytic sites have done the math, but maybe a 2 year deal worth 4-5 million. For a second line centre, that feels cheap. When Perfetti comes off of his bridge, he gets Monahan's money

In 2 years either Perfetti, Lambert or Luciz will get the 2nd line centre position.

 

[10Ducky10]

I'm sure one of the analytic sites have done the math, but maybe a 2 year deal worth 4-5 million. For a second line centre, that feels cheap. When Perfetti comes off of his bridge, he gets Monahan's money

In 2 years either Perfetti, Lambert or Luciz will get the 2nd line centre position.

Lucius?

 

[WolfHouse]

This is wild but I think it's both and neither.

I think the material change is that the powerplay is moving around, something we were screaming about the first half.

Whether it was these players forcing the guys to move by moving themselves, or just the fact that they have the skill to execute on plays I'm not sure.

We have no one playing Bumper - Scheif and Connor work well together but they both have a tendency to fall back into the cross-ice pass that was our 'signature' for years and is not working this year without a hard shot from the point.

Monahan stays in the slot and in front of the goalie on the power play - Vliardi was important beside or in front of the net too because he has slick hands

Monahan actually playing bumper is what transformed the power play... when you have one guy staying inside, that creates the movement because there's always an option for a shot on net or a shot with the purpose of deflection

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Monahan transformed our powerplay... is scoring at a 50pt season pace and plays pk

I mean what more are we asking for

Depends on him staying healthy and on what term and AAV he wants to re-sign.

If we somehow manage to come up with a true 2C Monahan becomes a Special Teams specialist and plays on the 3rd or 4th line.

OTOH, if he remains the best we have at 2C do we over-commit to him in both cap hit and term?

If Toffoli plays well and produces we probably can't afford him. If not, we don't want him.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

we've hardly had any powerplays recently and we need them both, vilardi is good at setting people up while monahan is a big part of the reason the passing lanes started opening up allowing him to set up goals

^
This. I think honestly it was the combination of the 2 that worked.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

This is wild but I think it's both and neither.

I think the material change is that the powerplay is moving around, something we were screaming about the first half.

Whether it was these players forcing the guys to move by moving themselves, or just the fact that they have the skill to execute on plays I'm not sure.

All of the above - but what came first? What started the change? I would bet on the bolded.

 

[WolfHouse]

Depends on him staying healthy and on what term and AAV he wants to re-sign.

If we somehow manage to come up with a true 2C Monahan becomes a Special Teams specialist and plays on the 3rd or 4th line.

OTOH, if he remains the best we have at 2C do we over-commit to him in both cap hit and term?

If Toffoli plays well and produces we probably can't afford him. If not, we don't want him.

We can afford both these guys if we move on from Pionk and Schmidt... but I don't think we will

 

[Jet]

All of the above - but what came first? What started the change? I would bet on the bolded.

A rarely agree with you Mort, but on this, I do

 

[scelaton]

We can afford both these guys if we move on from Pionk and Schmidt... but I don't think we will

I think we will know which (if any)of the two we most want by the end of the season. Hopefully it will be a very long tryout for both, extending into May!

Agree that they won't move on from both Pionk and Schmidt, but between the two, buying out Schmidt is the obvious choice. He actually has a slightly higher cap hit and is between 4 and 6 on the LD depth chart, depending on your POV. Pionk, for all his warts is still our #2RD.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

A rarely agree with you Mort, but on this, I do

That's cause I agreed with you first.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

We can afford both these guys if we move on from Pionk and Schmidt... but I don't think we will

Depends on what they think they can get elsewhere. Way too soon to start predicting what that might be.

I can't see us moving on from both Pionk and Schmidt. I hope we move on from 1 or the other. Neither earns his contract and we can't afford 2 like that.

 

[Atoyot]

Again, I thought they've looked good. They're moving around much more which is taking opposing pks out of structure.

I do think it misses Vilardi net side with the dual threat of either passing to the bumper for a one t or just dragging it in front. Maybe toffoli could do that?

I don't think Toffoli is that creative, as good as he is. Vilardi just has so many options that he can work with from that spot. Back to Scheifele, bump to Monahan, deke out the goalie, far side to Connor. It was just such a refreshing change from Connor, Scheifele, and Morrissey playing catch in the rare event that the unit could get set up.

 

[Atoyot]

I remember how awesome the Jets PP was when they had Vilardi but before they acquired Monahan... they were only... *checks notes*.... zero for January and February

If your position is that Vilardi makes the power play awesome, explain that. He was here for all that time and there was no Monahan.

Lately it kind of feels like if I said the sky was blue you'd aggressively debate that it was orange.

 

[John Agar]

Lately it kind of feels like if I said the sky was blue you'd aggressively debate that it was orange.

It was tonight...

 

[Buffdog]

Lately it kind of feels like if I said the sky was blue you'd aggressively debate that it was orange.

Sometimes at sunset, the sky IS orange

It's funny, because you're the one who first disagreed with me on this. I pointed out how the PP turned around after Monahan showed up and you came along with your "wELl aKShUaLlY, ViLArdI" post

Why can't it be that Monahan in the bumper poses a threat that teams have to respect, which opens up space for vilardi to do what he does so well down low?

 

[Atoyot]

Sometimes at sunset, the sky IS orange

It's funny, because you're the one who first disagreed with me on this. I pointed out how the PP turned around after Monahan showed up and you came along with your "wELl aKShUaLlY, ViLArdI" post

Why can't it be that Monahan in the bumper poses a threat that teams have to respect, which opens up space for vilardi to do what he does so well down low?

I disagreed with somebody that wasn't you without demeaning them (I hope) and not including you at all, then you responded to me in a very condescending manner, saying that my observation was "classic stat watching" and that "not everything shows up on naturalstattrick". I admittedly responded pretty condescendingly, but I don't feel like I was the aggressor here. Or the "wELl aKShUaLlY" guy.

Just feels like you can't enter a debate lately without being aggressive and condescending.

 

[Buffdog]

I disagreed with somebody that wasn't you without demeaning them and not including you at all, then you responded to me in a very condescending manner, saying that my observation was "classic stat watching" and that "not everything shows up on naturalstattrick". I admittedly responded pretty condescendingly, but I don't feel like I was the aggressor here.

Sometimes I can be condescending

Sometimes you can

So what's the issue here? I give it, but I can take it too. If you can't take it, stop giving it

 

[Atoyot]

Sometimes I can be condescending

Sometimes you can

So what's the issue here? I give it, but I can take it too. If you can't take it, stop giving it

Oh absolutely I can be condescending, I try not to start with it when I disagree with someone though.