Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[Joe Hallenback]

The Jets have done a massive amount of asset recoupment over the past 3 drafts with the additions of McGroarty/Barlow/Lambert/Chibrikov/Lucuis/Salommonsson and bunch of nice B level prospects like Zhilkin/Julien/DiVincentis/Wagner and a guy like Heinola waiting in the wings they felt they could give up the 1st this year.

I hate giving up 1sts but if there was a year because of how the draft is then this is the year. Next year not so much

 

[Jet]

I know that. But a late 1st simply is not an early 2nd. It is a late 1st and has exactly the value and impact of a late 1st.

Saying there is not much difference is one thing. Saying that it is something that it is not is another thing. People do the same thing the other direction saying that that early 2nd is like a late 1st. On one hand you are trying to minimize it. On the other they are trying to maximize it. Just call it what it is.

Why do you argue semantics so much? The difference between 30 and 33 is negligible

 

[Maukkis]

The Jets have done a massive amount of asset recoupment over the past 3 drafts with the additions of McGroarty/Barlow/Lambert/Chibrikov/Lucuis/Salommonsson and bunch of nice B level prospects like Zhilkin/Julien/DiVincentis/Wagner and a guy like Heinola waiting in the wings they felt they could give up the 1st this year.

I hate giving up 1sts but if there was a year because of how the draft is then this is the year. Next year not so much

This isn't the year to pay a first for Sean Monahan. That year doesn't exist.

Just because we have a fairly deep prospect pool doesn't mean that we should give up picks for bottom sixers. And it obviously doesn't work this way, as other teams don't have the relationship with our guys that we do, but if the team and the prospect pool is deep right now, give up one of the prospects that you're never going to use anyway. There has to be someone who fits that bill. We've always had those.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

This isn't the year to pay a first for Sean Monahan. That year doesn't exist.

You must be a fun guy at parties.

Only time will tell that. I bet the players are happy

 

[GNP]

Monahan has 35 points in 49 games played on a crappy team, maybe don't poo-poo him just yet. He looks to be having a nice bounce back season

Agree,and 35 points in 49 games is about a .71% clip on average per game, which is not too bad. If he keeps up this pace, that would be in the 58 -60 point per season range, which is really good. Also he's apparently very good in the dot, and on the powerplay. I know Bowness wants this. I don't think we can go wrong on this deal, if he stays healthy. I'm not worried at all about losing a late round first, as we have plenty of prospects in the oven, like Lambert, McGroarty, Chibrikov and others. This deal will help the Jets, without doubt. Hope he fits in with the guys.

 

[LucianoBorsato]

Agree,and 35 points in 49 games is about a .71% clip on average per game, which is not too bad. If he keeps up this pace, that would be in the 58 -60 point per season range, which is really good. Also he's apparently very good in the dot, and on the powerplay. I know Bowness wants this. I don't think we can go wrong on this deal, if he stays healthy. I'm not worried at all about losing a late round first, as we have plenty of prospects in the oven, like Lambert, McGroarty, Chibrikov and others. This deal will help the Jets, without doubt. Hope he fits in with the guys.

As I like to say, a late first round pick is the equivalent to a second round pick in the 80s-90s.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

You must be a fun guy at parties.

Only time will tell that. I bet the players are happy

No kidding. Players are probably stoked.

Can you imagine Chevy doing nothing and talking to helle about it.

“I know we said cup now - but like, it’s a 30th pick in the weakest draft in years. If we keep that it could be the next Brayden point and he’ll be helping this team to a cup as early as 3 to 4 years from now!”

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Lots of guys here were wrong about him not getting a 1st

Maybe they're also wrong about Monahan

Hopefully there are some posters here who will eat a double serving of crow

Hope he makes it necessary!

IDK if anybody really thought he wouldn't get a 1st from somebody at TD time. Just wanted it to be someone else or said he wasn't worth it.

I started out thinking he would be not bad but was persuaded by people taking a little deeper look at him that it would be a bad idea.

If we were going to spend our 1st (and hopefully 3rd) I would rather have paid more to get Lindholm. But time will tell. Monahan may be a success and Lindholm a bust. Who knows?

 

[10Ducky10]

How is Monahan defensively.
I can't see Bones wanting Monahan on his 4th line never mind 2nd line.

 

[Jet]

How is Monahan defensively.
I can't see Bones wanting Monahan on his 4th line never mind 2nd line.

I don't believe for a second that Chevy didn't consult with Bones before doing this.

Like I said in another post, if Rick can get brighteyes and KFC playing D he can certainly get Monahan to.

 

[fmrdh]

People will nitpick about the deal and I get it.

At the end of the day, we didn't get Lindholm and I am OK with that. We added a player who will fit into the roster right now and hopefully help the team win the division. I am sure the players are happy to have him and happy that management is trying to win now. Monahan seems like a heart and soul type player and he has more points this season than Lindholm does.

We have lots of prospects, is it really a loss trading out a pick in the 25-32 range when we already have Montreal's 2nd which will probably be 32-45?

 

[DRW204]

Mmm he's definitely our second best center. 35 in 49 games is solid for a 2C on a bottom team. Let's see how he adapts to our system and playing with better players.

He wasn't a player I thought of, but I'm hoping for the best.

I think it's important to look at how he got those points tho. 15 pp points on 4mins a night.

Will he see that same usage here, if so, who are you taking off pp1?

In 5v5 pts he and Lowry are basically equal in totals and rates, with Namestnikov slightly ahead of both. And then consider each of their defensive games (Monahan totally could improve here vs what he's shown in MTL)

 

[Joe Hallenback]

How is Monahan defensively.
I can't see Bones wanting Monahan on his 4th line never mind 2nd line.

He was once upon a time a really good defensive center who was a solid 50 to 60 point center who signed a deal got hurt and then got ran out of town. Now he ends up on a awful Montreal team and has a bit of a resurgent year offensively. If he is playing with Ehlers/Perfetti his defensive numbers will go up. Those guys make everyone's numbers go up

 

[Jet]

People will nitpick about the deal and I get it.

At the end of the day, we didn't get Lindholm and I am OK with that. We added a player who will fit into the roster right now and hopefully help the team win the division. I am sure the players are happy to have him and happy that management is trying to win now. Monahan seems like a heart and soul type player and he has more points this season than Lindholm does.

We have lots of prospects, is it really a loss trading out a pick in the 25-32 range when we already have Montreal's 2nd which will probably be 32-45?

Love common sense posts.

 

[gojetsgo]

listening the the jeff marek show him and friedman sat down with boness and said that he talked about getting players in early to get them acclimated and get the most practice time with the players so I wonder if we make more early moves or wait until the deadline

 

[Keystone]

I think it's important to look at how he got those points tho. 15 pp points on 4mins a night.

Will he see that same usage here, if so, who are you taking off pp1?

In 5v5 pts he and Lowry are basically equal in totals and rates, with Namestnikov slightly ahead of both. And then consider each of their defensive games (Monahan totally could improve here vs what he's shown in MTL)

I’ve seen about 6-8 candidates that could come off the PP.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Why do you argue semantics so much? The difference between 30 and 33 is negligible

I don't think I argue semantics all that much. This pretending that draft picks are something they are not appears here often. I don't think I have bothered bringing it up before. Certainly no where near as often as I see it. But what people sometimes say is just wrong. Words matter.

Why do people want to pretend that a 1st is actually a 2nd and a 2nd is actually a 1st?

It is not about the difference between 30 and 33 (or 28 and 42, which might be our 1st compared to Mtl's 2nd). It is about people wanting to pretend that things are something they are not just because they are close to being something they are not.

It is so simple. Just call it what it is.

I'm calling it not worried about it at all.

Good, I wouldn't want you worrying.

I wouldn't have mentioned it if it was a rare occurrence. But you are far from the only one. I see it here all the time.

 

[Whileee]

Not very enthusiastic about the Monahan deal, but...

- Jets have a rich prospect pool and a high 2nd, so they can afford it better than previous seasons.

- The way Bowness deploys and focuses on face-offs, this seems likely to boost ice-time for Ehlers and Perfetti. If so, that's a good result.

- Monahan's cap hit is much lower than Henrique and some others, so the Jets didn't pay a premium for retention and they still have room to strengthen their D without overpaying for high retention.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I don't believe for a second that Chevy didn't consult with Bones before doing this.

Like I said in another post, if Rick can get brighteyes and KFC playing D he can certainly get Monahan to.

Good point.

I don't like this deal today. But I might love in a couple of weeks, or months.

I was hoping for something better but now that it is done I'm cheering for Monahan. He will be playing for next year's contract so Go Sean Go!

 

[DRW204]

I don't think Monahan is an upgrade on Namestnikov. In fact, Namestnikov is producing points at a higher rate at 5v5 than Monahan, and is way better defensively. Jets can find wingers to produce offense with Namestnikov, and he can support them with strong D.

If the Jets are going to go for an upgrade at C, they need to aim higher than Monahan, I think.

This is a good summary imo. Then consider Lowry isn't far off Namestnikov either.

Monahan may help the pp, but I really don't see the pp a player issue. Add monahan to the pp with its continued lack of movement or tempo, I don't think it'll help?

 

[jgimp]

How is Monahan defensively.
I can't see Bones wanting Monahan on his 4th line never mind 2nd line.

Not great. Good on faceoffs so if can win you a few extra defensive zone draws he helps that way. 5v5 kinda sucks. If we could get our PP fixed he would probably help there, maybe bump Lowry off it

 

[TheJadePipe]

Chef - Connor- Vilardi
Mono - Ehlers - Perf
Lows - Nino - Names
Kup - Barron - Apples

Look big/strong down the middle.

 

[surixon]

I don't believe for a second that Chevy didn't consult with Bones before doing this.

Like I said in another post, if Rick can get brighteyes and KFC playing D he can certainly get Monahan to.

Yup, you don't make a move like this without input.

I think he'll be fine if he's playes with wingers who can drive play.

 

[surixon]

listening the the jeff marek show him and friedman sat down with boness and said that he talked about getting players in early to get them acclimated and get the most practice time with the players so I wonder if we make more early moves or wait until the deadline

Depends how much cap space we will need for the player they want to acquire imo.

 

[10Ducky10]

Chef - Connor- Vilardi
Mono - Ehlers - Perf
Lows - Nino - Names
Kup - Barron - Apples

Look big/strong down the middle.

Iafallo?