Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[DRW204]

Correct me if I'm wrong... Chevy has traded 2 prospects during his tenure for NHL help? Kasdorf and Foley? I don't think he's moving any of the recent 1st rd guys.

 

[Finnflash]

In my opinion Chevy is risk averse. Monaghan is a risky player to get.
Even if it was a cheap trade for him I don’t think Chevy does it.

Chevy would just wait and sign him when he is an ufa. Lol.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

If there was an extension in place and they wanted McG would you do it?

There couldn't be an extension until the off-season. With the kind of season he is having the extension could get expensive. Not sure I would want to trade such a promising prospect who hasn't even started his ELC yet for that expensive a contract. I don't know if we would be able to fit it into our cap structure.

I wouldn't want to say no to that quality of a player. But I really don't want to loose McGroarty either. I would pay a lot to get Mittelstadt but I think McG has potential to outperform his draft position by quite a bit. I might be expecting too much from him, but I think I would say no. McG really is untouchable for me.

Edit: Good question, BTW. Made me think.

I don't know Mittelstadt well enough to be able to decide exactly what I would or would not pay for him. He is on pace for 20 G, 70pt season. But what about his play at C? What about his defensive play?

Do we have anyone who can fill in the picture? Eye test? Underlying stats?

 

[JetsFan815]

I did a crazy thing last week and actually *gasp* watched a Habs game to eye-test Monahan.

Stats aside (this isn't a comment on that), I found his skating to be a little iffy but no worse than Vilardi. His hockey IQ was good

I'm not sure if he's a fit for our system, but he wouldn't be any worse than perfetti or vilardi if he bought in

Anyway, I don't think he's as bad as the stat-watchers in here think, nor is he as good as delusional Habs fans think. I'd take him, but ideally for our 2nd plus someone like rashevsky.

The problem with watching just one or two games is that it can give you a skewed perspective. If one had just watched the St Louis/Nashville games earlier in the season one would have though Iafallo was a legit top line player whereas just watching him in the Leafs game you'd wonder if he even belongs on the 4th. Stats give more context and a more holistic view.

Your proposal of 2nd + Rashevsky is a massive overpayment for Monahan imo (esp since the 2nd we own is a top 40 pick not a typical late 2nd that most contenders have). I value Monahan as a downgrade on Vlad and his true place on a healthy Jets lineup to be that of a 4th line C. I don't believe he moves the needle for the Jets in any way, in fact with some of his defensive play I see a chance that he get Kevin Hayes'd by Bones if the Jets pay a big price for him. With that value in mind a 1st or a 2nd round pick is a waste of assets on him. The only way I'd consider moving a 2nd for him is if Habs add in Johnny Kovacevic.

I prefer Henrique over Monahan as he does slightly move the needle, can be an upgrade on Vlad and even if he doesn't work out on that 2nd line he can be effective in other roles (like a winger on the Lowry line for example)

I'm not 100% anti Monahan, it really comes down to fit (like to say) and role.

If he's not replacing Names (which is debatable), is he a fit to take Apples spot? Can he handle the defensive responsibilities on that line?

I like having depth, I think the question is, if everyone is healthy, where does he play?

I am down for an upgrade on Appleton but the market for an Appleton upgrade is much bigger and we don't have to think about someone like Monahan for that role. That would be trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. If the Jets want a winger to bolster the Lowry line (and I am all for that) there are a lot more players available than the C market.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

you heard him boys, two top 40 picks should be enough to get monahan... this is going to go over well, thanks for stoping by...

I said the Jets 2nd which should be 55th or worse. Habs 2nd is too high. And it could be a conditional pick. Habs get the 2nd if Monahan plays so many playoff games. But unless more centres hit the market someone is likely going to panic and pay more. Maybe in a trade with more pieces.

 

[gojetsgo]

I said the Jets 2nd which should be 55th or worse. Habs 2nd is too high. And it could be a conditional pick. Habs get the 2nd if Monahan plays so many playoff games. But unless more centres hit the market someone is likely going to panic and pay more. Maybe in a trade with more pieces.

we don't have a 2nd... who know where our 2nd will be next year

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

In my opinion Chevy is risk averse. Monaghan is a risky player to get.
Even if it was a cheap trade for him I don’t think Chevy does it.

Chevy would just wait and sign him when he is an ufa. Lol.

He might get him. He wants togo a contender this year. As a UFA he should be looking for the best payday if he makes it through the season. But he might take a somewhat lesser payday to go to a contender.

 

[Hunter368]

That poster was me. And it was Monahan plus Harris. Haven't followed this draft closely but analysts have said it drops off after around 20 players. A late 1st is not going to be enough to get a player of value. Barlow, McGroarty, Lucius should all be ahead of Lambert. A 1st and the Jets 2nd would be reasonable for Monahan assuming the Jets even need a centre or a centre/winger.
At some point a team that's a contender has to be unafraid to lose a trade to get a missing piece or two. I doubt Monahan is that for the Jets. For a team missing 2 centres (Rangers) he could be one of them.

Regardless what Monahan returns from whatever team, dont expect Lambert & 1st from the Jets, Harris has very low value at this stage So he adds nothing. Zero chance Jets give up that huge return for a guy like Monahan.

Friendly reminder where you’re posting here, this is not the Habs boards or main boards.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

we don't have a 2nd... who know where our 2nd will be next year

Ah OK then that won't work.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Regardless what Monahan returns from whatever team, dont expect Lambert & 1st from the Jets, Harris has very low value at this stage So he adds nothing. Zero chance Jets give up that huge return for a guy like Monahan.

Friendly reminder where you’re posting here, this is not the Habs boards or main boards.

I know. As I said I don't see why the Jets would want Monahan. Just wanted to say that, like the Lightning, Chevy needs to be ready to overpay (without emptying the cupboard) if he thinks he is getting a missing piece to a Cup. Especially since he has one of the few good goaltenders in existence.

 

[Hunter368]

I know. As I said I don't see why the Jets would want Monahan. Just wanted to say that, like the Lightning, Chevy needs to be ready to overpay (without emptying the cupboard) if he thinks he is getting a missing piece to a Cup. Especially since he has one of the few good goaltenders in existence.

Chevy has no problem paying high price, but it’s always been for quality, Monahan has zero shelf life with his injuries. He won’t be paying huge over payment for guy who has zero future on the Jets and 1st & Lambert is a huge over payment. It’s an over payment especially considering the Jets depend highly on draft & development that’s why it (Lambert & 1st) won't happen in a million years for Monahan.

 

[TheJadePipe]

Wondering what who we can target at 2C/ and RD if we downgrade from position of stranghth,
Meaning we are willing to trade 1st round pick, Chaz, Lambert, What if we are also willing to trade LB? A lot of teams in the hunt would love him right now..
Assuming we are pretty certain to make it to the playoffs, and we are pretty certain Helly will play all those games, Why not dump our 1B goaltender who will be on the bench and get a solid 2C and maybe a RHD who will be on the ice for our playoff run ?Helly has proven to be very durable, and if he goes down I don’t think we advance anyways

 

[Weezeric]

I can’t imagine Monahan getting more than Lindholm, which a 1st and Lambert would be.

 

[KingBogo]

Wondering what who we can target at 2C/ and RD if we downgrade from position of stranghth,
Meaning we are willing to trade 1st round pick, Chaz, Lambert, What if we are also willing to trade LB? A lot of teams in the hunt would love him right now..
Assuming we are pretty certain to make it to the playoffs, and we are pretty certain Helly will play all those games, Why not dump our 1B goaltender who will be on the bench and get a solid 2C and maybe a RHD who will be on the ice for our playoff run ?Helly has proven to be very durable, and if he goes down I don’t think we advance anyways

LB allows you to manage Helly’s work load down the stretch? How much is a rested Helly worth over a over worked Helly going into the playoffs?

Chevy has no problem paying high price, but it’s always been for quality, Monahan has zero shelf life with his injuries. He won’t be paying huge over payment for guy who has zero future on the Jets and 1st & Lambert is a huge over payment. It’s an over payment especially considering the Jets depend highly on draft & development that’s why it (Lambert & 1st) won't happen in a million years for Monahan.

I wouldn’t trade a 1st or Lambert for Monahan never mind both.

 

[gojetsgo]

Wondering what who we can target at 2C/ and RD if we downgrade from position of stranghth,
Meaning we are willing to trade 1st round pick, Chaz, Lambert, What if we are also willing to trade LB? A lot of teams in the hunt would love him right now..
Assuming we are pretty certain to make it to the playoffs, and we are pretty certain Helly will play all those games, Why not dump our 1B goaltender who will be on the bench and get a solid 2C and maybe a RHD who will be on the ice for our playoff run ?Helly has proven to be very durable, and if he goes down I don’t think we advance anyways

we need lb to keep helle rested for the playoffs and god forbid gets injured(knock on wood)
also the only teams going after lb would be playoff teams so they wouldn't be offering roster players for him

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Kinda liking the idea of Giroux, those that mentioned him. Give us a two year run with him.

He hasn't played C in years. Anybody remember why he stopped?

 

[Hunter368]

LB allows you to manage Helly’s work load down the stretch? How much is a rested Helly worth over a over worked Helly going into the playoffs?


I wouldn’t trade a 1st or Lambert for Monahan never mind both.

Agreed

My max offer, even if I felt I had to try to get a centre which I don't think we HAVE to, would be 2025 2nd + a meh prospect. If that didn't do it no problem in the least, Names has done a solid job there considering his two way game is better then Monahan's.

For me to give up a huge cost (ex: Lambert & 1st or similar or more) then who ever coming back better be much better then Monahan AND either term or potentially willing to resign.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I still don't see why they'd trade a young player that fits their core groups window.

They wouldn't for futures. But considering the depth of young C's they have they might use him to get some high quality veteran help.

My guess is that what they would really want would be a proven goalie, not too old. We don't have that.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Not sure why people are calling Kuzmenko a low value return? The guy isn't 28 y/o until later this month and is coming off a 39 G 35 A 74 P season. The Jets sure could use a "low value" player like that for our top 6 who can push 40 goals with a decent cap hit. Much better roster player than is usually part of these type of rental deals. And Bruzustewicz is a hell of a nice prospect to pick up. A 19 y/o RHD who is leading the OHL in defenseman scoring with 69 points in 47 games. I'm guessing most GMs would prefer him over Solamonnson in a trade. And the 1st is a 1st, plus a couple other pieces. No way Chevy could match that for a rental.

He's coming off a 39 G season and pacing for 14 this year on a very high scoring team.

He he still has value but he was a cap dump from the Van POV. I doubt Flames see him as a game changer.

I just wonder why he agreed to waive. There isn't much Flames are allowed to offer him. Maybe Canucks threatened him.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I would love him on the team, but I just don't see it happening.

Yup. I think it would take one of our top core players.

 

[JetsFan815]

Correct me if I'm wrong... Chevy has traded 2 prospects during his tenure for NHL help? Kasdorf and Foley? I don't think he's moving any of the recent 1st rd guys.

Karl Klingberg for Lee Stempniak is the only other one that comes to mind.

I just wonder why he agreed to waive. There isn't much Flames are allowed to offer him. Maybe Canucks threatened him.

Coach hates him and has healthy scratched him in a bunch of games, he is still young and is likely playing for his next contract. Staying in Vancouver was doing him no good in terms of getting a good deal on his next contract.

 

[DRW204]

Karl Klingberg for Lee Stempniak is the only other one that comes to mind.



Coach hates him and has healthy scratched him in a bunch of games, he is still young and is likely playing for his next contract. Staying in Vancouver was doing him no good in terms of getting a good deal on his next contract.

Wasn't a Jets pick, but I'll count it

 

[gojetsgo]

Correct me if I'm wrong... Chevy has traded 2 prospects during his tenure for NHL help? Kasdorf and Foley? I don't think he's moving any of the recent 1st rd guys.

nathan smith but he wasn't going to sign here

 

[Thechozen1]

For the Jets it will be interesting to see their strategy.

From a big game perspective for 2C, there isn't anything available "that we know for sure is available" that really moves the needle. Not saying that Names is amazing, but he's done a decent job this year and there doesn't seem like there are definite upgrades on him.

That being said, from a big game perspective if they are interested in the 2C position, one of those "not sure if available" guys would be good fits IMO. The Nelson, Jenner, Mitts, Norris, etc types.

But if nothing in that area materializes, maybe an upgrade on Appleton would be a nice target? I know Bones likes him, but if you could upgrade Apples with Nino and Lowry and move Apples to the 4th, I would think that would be a nice improvement. That player would need to be strong defensively but have more offense to contribute than Apples. Haven't looked to see what those options might be.


I'm not 100% anti Monahan, it really comes down to fit (like to say) and role.

If he's not replacing Names (which is debatable), is he a fit to take Apples spot? Can he handle the defensive responsibilities on that line?

I like having depth, I think the question is, if everyone is healthy, where does he play?

Sounds like you’re describing Vatrano. DAMN! He would turn that Lowry/Nino line into a serious threat!!!!!

 

[snowkiddin]

Karl Klingberg for Lee Stempniak is the only other one that comes to mind.

Danick Paquette for Eric Fehr and Angelo Esposito for Kenndal McArdle were underrated prospect-for-roster-player moves by Chevy.