Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[Crocket]

oh gee. well, wrap it up then. he outplayed many in training camp.... where vets notoriously aren't going hard or vs a bunch of non-NHLers. i don't think i've seen a training camp overemphasized as much as his. but i guess when your NHL showings as of late have been poor that's all you can hang your hat on.

we talkin' about practice training camp, not the game.

how about his actual NHL game-play against other NHL players at full-speed? you know when there's legit 2 points on the line? he had a couple good games last year and got worse and worse until he could not further be trusted. and he was a giveaway machine himself. the team has been trying to tell us what they thought of him or the other D prospects for years now but no one wants to believe them, maybe just maaaaybe the prospects aren't as good as HF thinks.

maybe he made major improvements this year. no idea since he unfortunately got hurt. however, fortunate for us: this team is probably the top defensive team in the NHL and had an illustrious GA streak. the team-defense overall has been unreal this year w/ all 3 pairings playing well, something i don't think many would've imagined given the Maurice era.

edit (felt i was a bit to negative lol):
look i don't think he's complete trash, there's been other factors that also contribute to lack of consistency (the starts and stops, sitting in the PB or missing out on game-action for extended periods of time). he's had good showings but overall i don't think he's been a "must have in the line-up" territory especially the way the team has been playing. a few years ago though - maybe they could have played him more. i had high hopes for heinola as a top-4D 3-4 years ago. his ahl & liiga numbers were always great and I even put him ahead of samberg at the time... however, that's ahl, in the nhl it's been a completely different story.

Preseason games are one thing for sure, but by all accounts he cracked the lineup, Bones really liked him last year too. He's just too good for the AHL, and ready for the NHL and the coaches think so, simple as that.

 

[Gm0ney]

Ya, he's carried by being on a good line on a really good team. He's good overall, but he's maybe not top pair guy.


It was stated he went down for conditioning. The plan is to bring him up for sure. He was with his dad on the father son trip, he made the team effectively.

Nobody's carrying him on the PK...he's just a solid defensive defenseman and the way the Jets split their d pairs into Defense/Offense I'm not sure there's a much better defensive 1-2-3 than DeMelo, Dillon and Samberg.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I don't think Savard is an upgrade on anyone in the lineup.

The Jets split their D pairs into a Defensive defenseman and an Offensive Defenseman. Pionk's probably the worst at straight up defending,

DeMelo - Morrissy
Dillon - Pionk
Samberg - Schmidt

Then we've got Heinola to replace an offensive guy, and Stanley...? to replace a defensive guy. Maybe Savard's an upgrade on Stanley...but barely. Tanev might do the trick - but what's he going to cost?

If that's as good as Savard is, then I am not interested. At least not unless we have a rash of injuries. If all we want is an additional depth guy they would come cheaper than Savard.

 

[RabidOne]

I've said in the last few weeks, Savard could be a target for the Jets depending how other trades come through or not. Meaning Savard might not be my top 2-3 target but he would potentially be on the list not unlike Monahan as a plan B or plan C type of trade. But it comes down to price for both, neither are stars, neither are game breakers, both are complimentary pieces further down a cup contenders roster.

Main boards Habs fans keep saying for Monahan = 2rd+ or late 1st

Habs board I've seen posts from them in the last couple days saying 1st & A prospect, Jets 1st & Chad L, etc

Habs fans on Savard on the main boards and Habs board all seem to think Savard will get a 1st or 1st+.

IMO a 1st is more then I would want to pay for Savard, I would be hard pressed to be happy with a 2nd+ for Monahan never mind more.

I would be more comfortable with paying a 2nd for Savard and 3rd+ for Monahan, but I doubt Habs would agree which is ok.

Habs fans also thought they were getting PLD in Free agency.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Ya, he's carried by being on a good line on a really good team. He's good overall, but he's maybe not top pair guy.


It was stated he went down for conditioning. The plan is to bring him up for sure. He was with his dad on the father son trip, he made the team effectively.

Not the way I remember it. Kupari was sent down for conditioning. Played 1 game and was recalled due to other injury. Heinola was simply sent down. Maybe for a few games. Maybe more. Maybe just until the roster expands or could be for the season. Certainly, he would be the first callup if there is an injury.

Maybe something was aid about conditioning. If so, I missed it. But either way he was not officially sent down for a conditioning stint. Being waiver exempt there was no need to go that route.

 

[Jets 31]

First thing the Jets need is a good number 2 center that can create offense. Then you look at maybe adding a defenseman .

 

[10Ducky10]

First thing the Jets need is a good number 2 center that can create offense. Then you look at maybe adding a defenseman .

Lindholm and Larsson would be a dream.

KFC Scheif Ehlers
Perfetti Lindholm Volare
Nino Lowry Apples
Barron Names Kup
Gus?

JMo Larsson
Dilly Pionk
Sammy DD
Heinola/Schmidt

 

[Jets 31]

Lindholm and Larsson would be a dream.

KFC Scheif Ehlers
Perfetti Lindholm Volare
Nino Lowry Apples
Barron Names Kup
Gus?

JMo Larsson
Dilly Pionk
Sammy DD
Heinola/Schmidt

Ya looks pretty good, go wake Chevy up and tell him that you have done his job for him.

 

[Jets 31]

Another trade might be getting Henrique and Vatrano from the Ducks, they might be sellers this season.

 

[Thechozen1]

I’d be good with a dept add to the defense like Lyubushkin or Peeke. Both should cost less than Savard. Maybe Justin Schultz if we’re looking for more of a puck mover.

As for centre, I don’t think there’s a long term solution in the cards at the TDL. I think players Chevy might target are Henrique or Wennberg.

Any chance the likes of Dylan Strome or Brock Nelson shake loose?

 

[Wpgpage]

I was reading Garretts Monday article and he was talking about Bones segment on 32 thoughts, specifically about Cole Perfetti's ice time. He brings up a very good point with all the talk of the Jets adding a 2nd line center Bones hasn't really in the past deployed a 1st, 2nd, 3rd line structure.

In 19/20 with DAL he used his top line fairly heavily and then his 2nd and 3rd at basically identical rates at 5on5. In fact the 3rd line of Faksa/Dickinson/Comeau got more ice time then either of the wingers that played on the "2nd line". In the following two years the top talent basically whomever was playing with Robertson getting more and more ice time and the rest of the middle 6 forwards again getting very similar minutes.

Last year was a little more spread out across all players with the exception of Conner and Scheif who were about 16. This year with a roster that more closely resembles the roster he had in Dallas we are back to looking a lot like the 19/20 DAL roster.

A very long winded way of saying that given his usage I am not sure if going out and spending a ton of assets to get a premium player at the 2C position is going to be the best move if that payer is realistically only going to get 13-14 minutes of 5V5 TOI and 2nd PP time. I would like to say that given the usage an upgrade on Appleton might be more impactful but given how much Bones seems to love Apples even if they bring someone in I don't know that they would play above Apples.

 

[Flair Hay]

I was reading Garretts Monday article and he was talking about Bones segment on 32 thoughts, specifically about Cole Perfetti's ice time. He brings up a very good point with all the talk of the Jets adding a 2nd line center Bones hasn't really in the past deployed a 1st, 2nd, 3rd line structure.

In 19/20 with DAL he used his top line fairly heavily and then his 2nd and 3rd at basically identical rates at 5on5. In fact the 3rd line of Faksa/Dickinson/Comeau got more ice time then either of the wingers that played on the "2nd line". In the following two years the top talent basically whomever was playing with Robertson getting more and more ice time and the rest of the middle 6 forwards again getting very similar minutes.

Last year was a little more spread out across all players with the exception of Conner and Scheif who were about 16. This year with a roster that more closely resembles the roster he had in Dallas we are back to looking a lot like the 19/20 DAL roster.

A very long winded way of saying that given his usage I am not sure if going out and spending a ton of assets to get a premium player at the 2C position is going to be the best move if that payer is realistically only going to get 13-14 minutes of 5V5 TOI and 2nd PP time. I would like to say that given the usage an upgrade on Appleton might be more impactful but given how much Bones seems to love Apples even if they bring someone in I don't know that they would play above Apples.

This is really insightful, thank you for sharing.

I think being able to bump Namestnikov down to the 4th with Barron and Iafallo would be another plus to bringing in a 2C.

More mins for the Perfetti Ehlers line and 4th line and = more energy for everyone else.

That's the benefit I see to make it worth doing.

Very cool to get that synopsis of Bowness tendencies.

 

[TheJadePipe]

Morgan Frost and Sean Walker ?

 

[Wpgpage]

This is really insightful, thank you for sharing.

I think being able to bump Namestnikov down to the 4th with Barron and Iafallo would be another plus to bringing in a 2C.

More mins for the Perfetti Ehlers line and 4th line and = more energy for everyone else.

That's the benefit I see to make it worth doing.

Very cool to get that synopsis of Bowness tendencies.

Don't get me wrong I also think an upgrade makes sense both from a depth incase of injury perspective and improving the team overall.

But I think I've now moved more onto the idea that getting one of the secondary guys that's going to cost more like a 2nd or a 3rd and a B to C level prospect.

 

[MardyBum]

Morgan Frost and Sean Walker ?

Frost would be a great add with term, but I'm sure if Chevy adds a forward *faceoffs* will be a key factor for Old Man Bones.

Don't get me wrong I also think an upgrade makes sense both from a depth incase of injury perspective and improving the team overall.

But I think I've now moved more onto the idea that getting one of the secondary guys that's going to cost more like a 2nd or a 3rd and a B to C level prospect.

I think Henrique would fit that, Montreals second could be the best pick offered. Wins faceoffs so Bones will have trust to deploy him and his linemates (assuming Ehlers/Perfetti) a bit more.

 

[KingBogo]

Morgan Frost and Sean Walker ?

Why would the Flyers start selling off roster players while firmly in a playoff position?

 

[DRW204]

Morgan Frost and Sean Walker ?

Although Torts did come out and say don't be surprised if players are moved, I don't think they're going to be trading Frost for mere picks. Probably in order upgrade their roster for the PO's.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Frost would be a great add with term, but I'm sure if Chevy adds a forward *faceoffs* will be a key factor for Old Man Bones.



I think Henrique would fit that, Montreals second could be the best pick offered. Wins faceoffs so Bones will have trust to deploy him and his linemates (assuming Ehlers/Perfetti) a bit more.

If he wins faceoffs I can see him deployed in all kinds of situations not just with his linemates.

 

[MardyBum]

If he wins faceoffs I can see him deployed in all kinds of situations not just with his linemates.

Yup that dzone win you need, add as a winger for important faceoffs if Scheif or Lowry get kicked or just move them to the wing in that case

 

[Adam da bomb]

Yup that dzone win you need, add as a winger for important faceoffs if Scheif or Lowry get kicked or just move them to the wing in that case

Also important on pp and pk. Instead of starting in our own zone all the time, because all our centres cant win faceoffs so other team gets an automatic clear.

 

[gojetsgo]

Why would the Flyers start selling off roster players while firmly in a playoff position?

they don't care about the playoffs this year and are more focused on the future, briere said “We’re not trying to make trades just to make trades. If there’s something that makes sense, that we feel makes us better for the future, we’ll strongly consider [it],” he said before the season he didn't think it's going to be a quick fix and isn't afraid to use the word rebuild, it's pretty much why they have players listed as trade bait

 

[Atoyot]

Why would the Flyers start selling off roster players while firmly in a playoff position?

Might want to check the standings if you think they're firmly in a playoff position. Also they very likely just lost their starting goalie for the rest of the year.

 

[KingBogo]

Might want to check the standings if you think they're firmly in a playoff position. Also they very likely just lost their starting goalie for the rest of the year.

Call it what you will but they are in 3rd and 4 points up on the team chasing them. Are you suggesting they should give up on their season?

 

[Atoyot]

Call it what you will but they are in 3rd and 4 points up on the team chasing them. Are you suggesting they should give up on their season?

Saying they're 3rd is disingenuous. They have the 8th most points in the East, Pittsburgh is 5 points back with 4 games in hand, Jersey is 5 points back with 3 in hand. If either of those two teams or the Islanders pass Philly, they're straight out of a playoff spot even though they're technically 3rd in their division. Their starter has a career .898sv%.

 

[KingBogo]

Saying they're 3rd is disingenuous. They have the 8th most points in the East, Pittsburgh is 5 points back with 4 games in hand, Jersey is 5 points back with 3 in hand. If either of those two teams or the Islanders pass Philly, they're straight out of a playoff spot even though they're technically 3rd in their division. Their starter has a career .898sv%.

So you are suggesting then that they are going to go into sell mode because there are teams chasing them? Pretty much throws out the window any kind of competitive mindset.