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So, does Chisholm clear? I'm leaning towards no.

I've never gotten too worked up about guys we put on waivers, and rightfully so as most of them are just tweeners but I get the sense that the Jets are going to regret not dealing Stanley instead (even for a late round pick).

I think there's a pretty decent player there.
 

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For me the bigger question is why is Chevy clearing up a roster spot? Chisholm has been on the team all season and makes NHL minimum. They could have sent Totinato back down with the same cap savings over the All Star break, if that was the intension.?
 
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For me the bigger question is why is Chevy clearing up a roster spot? Chisholm has been on the team all season and makes NHL minimum. They could have sent Totinato back down with the same cap savings over the All Star break, if that was the intension.?

I'm guessing:

1) banking a week of cap space when we will need to waive someone, and

2) Bowness wants Stanley, Toninato and AJF over Chisholm

That's my best guess
 
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For me the bigger question is why is Chevy clearing up a roster spot? Chisholm has been on the team all season and makes NHL minimum. They could have sent Totinato back down with the same cap savings over the All Star break, if that was the intension.?
I think they always knew this was likely gonna happen and they have determined this is the best opportunity to sneak him through as other teams have time to get healthy over the break.
I agree that this is the waiver they might regret. I really like what Chisholm can do as opposed to Stanley at least.
 
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Seems odd to me unless he has a trade in the works.
Yeah to me this is a more interesting discussion point over Stanley Vs. Chisholm, neither of which IMO has a long term future with the organization. Maybe Stanley is included in a trade that includes a Dman coming back and then Heinola becomes #8 after the All Star break?
 
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Or Heinola is getting brought up. Or Gus and schief and a fully healthy team and would rather waive chis then axl.
This would be the worst possible outcome. They have already indicated that they aren't willing to give ice time to the prospects, so the least they could do is to keep them logging big minutes in the A before trading them ASAP. Bringing Heinola up to sit at the pressbox does nothing good for either the team or the player.
 

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This would be the worst possible outcome. They have already indicated that they aren't willing to give ice time to the prospects, so the least they could do is to keep them logging big minutes in the A before trading them ASAP. Bringing Heinola up to sit at the pressbox does nothing good for either the team or the player.

Ya, the Jets need to get back to the Thrashers model. Draft them, put them in the NHL, prosper. It’s really that simple…
 

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This would be the worst possible outcome. They have already indicated that they aren't willing to give ice time to the prospects, so the least they could do is to keep them logging big minutes in the A before trading them ASAP. Bringing Heinola up to sit at the pressbox does nothing good for either the team or the player.
What are you talking about?

You have no idea what they are planning and the 'they have indicated that they aren't willing to give ice time to prospects' trope is nonsense.

Just another tired meme people trot out around here.

Let's wait and see what the plan is. If they bring up Heinola, they are likely going to play him somehow.
 

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What are you talking about?

You have no idea what they are planning and the 'they have indicated that they aren't willing to give ice time to prospects' trope is nonsense.

Just another tired meme people trot out around here.

Let's wait and see what the plan is. If they bring up Heinola, they are likely going to play him somehow.
Their plans for Heinola are pretty clear, actually. It takes some pattern recognition, but perhaps you'll get there at some point.

The Jets draft prospects. Some of them are "their guys". These are the Rutgers, Perfettis, Sambergs, Stanleys, Connors and what have you. They get as many shots as they could ever ask for. People here scream at me for suggesting that our prospects shouldn't get roster spots above the fourth line for nothing, but it was totally OK to see Perfetti and Connor get top 6 ice time with no track record of anything. These guys become NHLers, because heck, it's pretty difficult not to when you get what you need.

The rest - imagine Vesalainen, Niku, Chisholm, Heinola, Petan - are "not their guys". They don't get shots, and if/when they get them, they are short in nature and end abruptly. The organisation never trusts them. As a result, they miss out on getting NHL experience during the years where you need to get it as a prospect to carve out a healthy career there. They get to their 25s with barely any games under their belt, because they have been stuck with an organisation who doesn't give them anything. When they finally escape, it's probably too little, too late - tough to make it in anywhere else, when you have been deprived of chances when it mattered. At 25, they start asking "why haven't you made it yet", not just "can you make it".

For some reason, calling these "not their guys" what they are gets a negative reaction around here, even though these boards as a whole are pretty good at identifying the prospects who belong to the first group. I imagine this is because it requires less thought to say "he bust, he bad" than to think about why certain types of our prospects predictably don't become much of anything. The busts haven't exactly fit just one mould as skaters, mind you.

In all likelihood, you refuse to understand this - or perhaps we need to wait for another couple of promising prospects bust in awfully similar conditions.
 
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Their plans for Heinola are pretty clear, actually. It takes some pattern recognition, but perhaps you'll get there at some point.

The Jets draft prospects. Some of them are "their guys". These are the Rutgers, Perfettis, Sambergs, Stanleys, Connors and what have you. They get as many shots as they could ever ask for. People here scream at me for suggesting that our prospects shouldn't get roster spots above the fourth line for nothing, but it was totally OK to see Perfetti and Connor get top 6 ice time with no track record of anything. These guys become NHLers, because heck, it's pretty difficult not to when you get what you need.

The rest - imagine Vesalainen, Niku, Chisholm, Heinola, Petan - are "not their guys". They don't get shots, and if/when they get them, they are short in nature and end abruptly. The organisation never trusts them. As a result, they miss out on getting NHL experience during the years where you need to get it as a prospect to carve out a healthy career there. They get to their 25s with barely any games under their belt, because they have been stuck with an organisation who doesn't give them anything. When they finally escape, it's probably too little, too late - tough to make it in anywhere else, when you have been deprived of chances when it mattered. At 25, they start asking "why haven't you made it yet", not just "can you make it".

For some reason, calling these "not their guys" what they are gets a negative reaction around here, even though these boards as a whole are pretty good at identifying the prospects who belong to the first group. I imagine this is because it requires less thought to say "he bust, he bad" than to think about why certain types of our prospects predictably don't become much of anything. The busts haven't exactly fit just one mould as skaters, mind you.

In all likelihood, you refuse to understand this - or perhaps we need to wait for another couple of promising prospects bust in awfully similar conditions.
Those guys got their shots for the most part and failed. Vesalainen got nearly a full season before they admitted he wasn't an NHLer
 

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Their plans for Heinola are pretty clear, actually. It takes some pattern recognition, but perhaps you'll get there at some point.

The Jets draft prospects. Some of them are "their guys". These are the Rutgers, Perfettis, Sambergs, Stanleys, Connors and what have you. They get as many shots as they could ever ask for. People here scream at me for suggesting that our prospects shouldn't get roster spots above the fourth line for nothing, but it was totally OK to see Perfetti and Connor get top 6 ice time with no track record of anything. These guys become NHLers, because heck, it's pretty difficult not to when you get what you need.

The rest - imagine Vesalainen, Niku, Chisholm, Heinola, Petan - are "not their guys". They don't get shots, and if/when they get them, they are short in nature and end abruptly. The organisation never trusts them. As a result, they miss out on getting NHL experience during the years where you need to get it as a prospect to carve out a healthy career there. They get to their 25s with barely any games under their belt, because they have been stuck with an organisation who doesn't give them anything. When they finally escape, it's probably too little, too late - tough to make it in anywhere else, when you have been deprived of chances when it mattered. At 25, they start asking "why haven't you made it yet", not just "can you make it".

For some reason, calling these "not their guys" what they are gets a negative reaction around here, even though these boards as a whole are pretty good at identifying the prospects who belong to the first group. I imagine this is because it requires less thought to say "he bust, he bad" than to think about why certain types of our prospects predictably don't become much of anything. The busts haven't exactly fit just one mould as skaters, mind you.

In all likelihood, you refuse to understand this - or perhaps we need to wait for another couple of promising prospects bust in awfully similar conditions.
Bit of a gap in this theory... every team favours their top 15-20 picks - like Perfetti, Connor and Heinola range - Heinola got jacked because Maurice didn't want more than one Jomo on his roster and Chevy brought in vets to cover the gap - 100% Heinola would have been on this years roster with Bones.

As for favouring Samberg, I think he fell into the same Maurice trap as Jomo where Mo wanted vets and we bafflingly played Sibsa Bitetto over Samberg... there was a clear gap between Maurice and Chevy plans at the end.

Ves, Niku, Petan - all these guys got chances and didn't grab them... Apples did - he was not 'favoured'
 

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Their plans for Heinola are pretty clear, actually. It takes some pattern recognition, but perhaps you'll get there at some point.

The Jets draft prospects. Some of them are "their guys". These are the Rutgers, Perfettis, Sambergs, Stanleys, Connors and what have you. They get as many shots as they could ever ask for. People here scream at me for suggesting that our prospects shouldn't get roster spots above the fourth line for nothing, but it was totally OK to see Perfetti and Connor get top 6 ice time with no track record of anything. These guys become NHLers, because heck, it's pretty difficult not to when you get what you need.

The rest - imagine Vesalainen, Niku, Chisholm, Heinola, Petan - are "not their guys". They don't get shots, and if/when they get them, they are short in nature and end abruptly. The organisation never trusts them. As a result, they miss out on getting NHL experience during the years where you need to get it as a prospect to carve out a healthy career there. They get to their 25s with barely any games under their belt, because they have been stuck with an organisation who doesn't give them anything. When they finally escape, it's probably too little, too late - tough to make it in anywhere else, when you have been deprived of chances when it mattered. At 25, they start asking "why haven't you made it yet", not just "can you make it".

For some reason, calling these "not their guys" what they are gets a negative reaction around here, even though these boards as a whole are pretty good at identifying the prospects who belong to the first group. I imagine this is because it requires less thought to say "he bust, he bad" than to think about why certain types of our prospects predictably don't become much of anything. The busts haven't exactly fit just one mould as skaters, mind you.

In all likelihood, you refuse to understand this - or perhaps we need to wait for another couple of promising prospects bust in awfully similar conditions.

I don't know how much I agree with this. You have to show something prior to the NHL to get a top 6 spot. Vesalainen was not showing top 6 attributes and production in the AHL. Even then the Jets desperately tried to slavage him by trying to find a role for him in the top 9. They gave him half a season with Lowry and it didn't work.

There isn't a first rounder that they haven't bent over to give an opportunity to cough Stanley cough.

Ville will get his shot if he's not dealt.

As for the non first rounders, well was Petan going to outplay anyone in our top 6 at the time? We had KC, Ehlers, Laine, and Wheeler with Scheifee and Little at C. I'm sorry but he was stuck behind much better, the same as Roslovic.

I get that everyone loves prospects here, but they actually have to be better then what we have or project better then what we have to warrant looks above better players.
 

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every prospect is bound to make the nhl and when they don't it's because the org didn't like them and didn't give them their 200+ games playing 20+ minutes a night in the top6/top4
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Or the organization ruined them, and were the reason they're not producing like star players.

Comparing perfetti, connor, samberg to the likes of petan, ves, niku/chisholm/heinola. Like really.

(will concede stanley though)
 
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Their plans for Heinola are pretty clear, actually. It takes some pattern recognition, but perhaps you'll get there at some point.

The Jets draft prospects. Some of them are "their guys". These are the Rutgers, Perfettis, Sambergs, Stanleys, Connors and what have you. They get as many shots as they could ever ask for. People here scream at me for suggesting that our prospects shouldn't get roster spots above the fourth line for nothing, but it was totally OK to see Perfetti and Connor get top 6 ice time with no track record of anything. These guys become NHLers, because heck, it's pretty difficult not to when you get what you need.

The rest - imagine Vesalainen, Niku, Chisholm, Heinola, Petan - are "not their guys". They don't get shots, and if/when they get them, they are short in nature and end abruptly. The organisation never trusts them. As a result, they miss out on getting NHL experience during the years where you need to get it as a prospect to carve out a healthy career there. They get to their 25s with barely any games under their belt, because they have been stuck with an organisation who doesn't give them anything. When they finally escape, it's probably too little, too late - tough to make it in anywhere else, when you have been deprived of chances when it mattered. At 25, they start asking "why haven't you made it yet", not just "can you make it".

For some reason, calling these "not their guys" what they are gets a negative reaction around here, even though these boards as a whole are pretty good at identifying the prospects who belong to the first group. I imagine this is because it requires less thought to say "he bust, he bad" than to think about why certain types of our prospects predictably don't become much of anything. The busts haven't exactly fit just one mould as skaters, mind you.

In all likelihood, you refuse to understand this - or perhaps we need to wait for another couple of promising prospects bust in awfully similar conditions.

If Samberg and Stanley are “their guys” and Heinola isn’t, then why does Heinola have the most games played in the NHL before turning 23? That’s without taking into account his injury this year that lost him tons of games.
 

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Or the organization ruined them, and were the reason they're not producing like star players.

Comparing perfetti, connor, samberg to the likes of petan, ves, niku/chisholm/heinola. Like really.
I guess people don't understand that some prospects get the jobs and more opportunities because they are simply better, saying samberg was favored when he went into training camp in a battle with stanley/heinola and won the job because he was the best of the 3 them and has only proved that he belongs in the nhl since is absolutely ridiculous
 
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