BHawks77
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Maybe you should keep that in mind when you judge players that you like and dont like. You are very quick to make definite statements about players.
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Maybe you should keep that in mind when you judge players that you like and dont like. You are very quick to make definite statements about players.
Larmer83
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As a reminder, progress for prospects is not linear. Especially dmen.
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You mean like you jumped the gun when you proclaimed him not to be NHL caliber?
And yes, I'll go back and dig up your posts, if you want to deny saying it.
Kevin Musto
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I don't deny anything.
But his level of play hasn't been sustained over months. Until that happens, he's not an NHL caliber defenseman.
And if that happens, I'll be the first to admit that I was wrong.
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Way too early to say we whiffed on anything.
But stuff like this happens all the time, back in 2014 we had Jeremy Morin, Adam Clendening and Klas Dahlbeck rated above Philip Danault.
BHawks77
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Still cant say that maybe you were wrong about Vlasic. He is a NHL dman now and looks good while doing it. Sure no one can say for certain that he can continue the hot play but still he is doing it the NHL even in the first pair of all the places.
Remember Ian Mitchel. You were so sure he would be sure fire NHL dman. He didnt have to show it on the big league because you were so sure!! How did that end up!?
Remember when you thought Blackhawks should sign Strome to 8 mil contract because he was generational. Small detail was missing though he never sustained months worth of elite play in the NHL. Not even close like you are now asking of Vlasic... to even say he might belong in the NHL.
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Vlasic has always been better than this board, Musto mainly, but the consensus, has given him credit for. He was a USNDTP kid, a decently high draft pick, played for a high profile university, likely would have made a strong WJC team had he not been ruled out for COVID protocol (along with the other BU kids, Commesso and Robert Mastrosimone), he played top pair in the AHL in his first full pro season and he played it well. He's been consistently pretty well regarded by most people throughout that time.
Now that I said that he will likely get burned badly Colorado's stacked top unit. But I digress.
Now that I said that he will likely get burned badly Colorado's stacked top unit. But I digress.
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Larmer83
I'm taking the high road moving forward.
Here's a question and I'll use your post as a template.
Kaiser was not a USNDTP kid but made the jump to a high profile university from high school. He was on the cancelled WJC team as a second pairing dman behind Sanderson and Hughes and the make-up WJC behind Hughes and Faber. His play in prospect portion of camp and the preseason games was such that he made the big club. He was pretty well regarded by most people up to that point.
He's played the right side with Tinordi and the left side with Zaitsev. The partners and switching is not an easy ask.
For his long-term development, is it not best for him to play top pair minutes in the AHL in his first full pro season?
TLEH
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Mitchell hasn’t played a game anywhere near as good as Vlasic did last game in all of his 82.
And I was a Mitchell guy.
Kevin Musto
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That's besides the point.
BHawks77 is claiming Vlasic is a surefire NHLer, meanwhile Ian Mitchell is not.
At this point in their careers, Ian Mitchell has a more substantial resume.
Vlasic playing one outstanding game doesn't change that.
ColbyChaos
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Being an injury fill in the last 3 years and never being able to stick in the lineup isn’t as great of an endorsement for Mitchell you’re making it out to be.
Does Mitchell even have ONE outstanding game?
WarriorofTime
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I mean he’s two years older and now a healthy scratch 7th defenseman, but sure. I suppose Daniel Carcillo has a more substantial than Connor Bedard as well.
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Vlasic has been outstanding the entire season so far. Sure, small sample size but this stretch is better than any stretch Mitchell ever had in the NHL.
Kevin Musto
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Players have great small stretches of play all the time.
Kahun had 4 points in his first 5 games. Few years later and he's not in the league anymore.
Just have to see how things play out.
Chelios
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This is actually a completely reasonable statement. It’s just funny coming from someone who refuses to apply it to players he doesn’t like.
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Not disputing that. But again, Mitchell never has had ANY stretch in his career the way Vlasic has had to start the year.
If Vlasic keeps pjayongvtbus well he shoudd be a candidate for MVP...because miracle of morales S.Jones is +6 ...that he can help S Jones get positive in plus/minus attests to how much Vlasic has helped Jones not to get embarrassed as myriads of pucks flew into our net when S Jones was on in thepreviousx3 seasons he has been a Blackhawks player.
Vlasic s a miracle worker because no othercdpartner for S Jones was able to save him from his mistakes or failures.....But now Vlasic is
stabilizing the pairing...getting pucks out from his side when he gets tge chance to handle it..
Resukt is less tome spent in our zone chasing opps with the puck and less scoreszagaibst S Jones on his shifts.That Vladic has had such a meritorious inoact is amazing and appreciated.. It still does nnot mmake S Jones worth $9.5.m....but at least whatever level S Jones is at now is not just a 95 cebt value like before..so.. congrats Vlasic for this miracle...but Will this last?
I am sure Vksdic will not falter but S.Jones eventually may drag him back down because I have a head time believing S.Jones will not revert back to incompetence in defending.
Thisvis a litbpifboressure on Vlasic to cover for Jones when Jones eventually goes back to poor pkay.
Vlasic s a miracle worker because no othercdpartner for S Jones was able to save him from his mistakes or failures.....But now Vlasic is
stabilizing the pairing...getting pucks out from his side when he gets tge chance to handle it..
Resukt is less tome spent in our zone chasing opps with the puck and less scoreszagaibst S Jones on his shifts.That Vladic has had such a meritorious inoact is amazing and appreciated.. It still does nnot mmake S Jones worth $9.5.m....but at least whatever level S Jones is at now is not just a 95 cebt value like before..so.. congrats Vlasic for this miracle...but Will this last?
I am sure Vksdic will not falter but S.Jones eventually may drag him back down because I have a head time believing S.Jones will not revert back to incompetence in defending.
Thisvis a litbpifboressure on Vlasic to cover for Jones when Jones eventually goes back to poor pkay.
Kevin Musto
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Right, but I can find players that had great stretches that amounted to nothing (Ryan Poehling's debut hat trick) and I can point to players that have never had elite stretches but have still had long careers (Connor Murphy).
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He is using this reasonable statement to tear down a player he doesn’t like. Therefore the statement becomes unreasonable.
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Kevin Musto
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There are numerous posts of you tearing down Vlasic.
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