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TLEH said:
I see that more prospect people still haven't adjusted to the KHL changing rapidly. Nikishin is a good prospect.. how good is really hard to tell right now.


5. Lucas Raymond, LW (Red Wings, No. 4)
6. Jack Quinn, RW (Sabres, No. 8)
7. Dawson Mercer, C (Devils, No. 18)
8. Alexis Lafrenière, LW (Rangers, No. 1)
9. Quinton Byfield, C (Kings, No. 2)
10. Jamie Drysdale, D (Ducks, No. 6)
11. Seth Jarvis, RW (Hurricanes, No. 13)


Taking him over some of the names above is nothing less than a joke.
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Nikishin is an ELITE prospect. It's not like he's in the KHL because he sucks or whatever. I have no problem taking him over the bulk of those guys who are equally, if not more, unproven.
 
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Seth Jones and his $9.5 should not be on our#1pp...his pintvshotvstinks and tge failed keep ins and loses ofvtge puck to checkersvon him is bad for our PP1 too..
The thing is...given his status as our "#1D" and his veteran statistics,If Korchinski replaces him
as qb on the pint for PP1 ,maybe he pouts and plays with less effort...making his overall game worse?

But still if our PP1 remains poor then something has to be changed...
 
WarriorofTime said:
Nikishin is an ELITE prospect. It's not like he's in the KHL because he sucks or whatever. I have no problem taking him over the bulk of those guys who are equally, if not more, unproven.
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He’s not in the KHL because he sucks, but he is dominating at the level he is because the KHL isn’t what it used to be. I know you disagree on the quality of the KHL so no point in going back and forth on it.
 
TLEH said:
He’s not in the KHL because he sucks, but he is dominating at the level he is because the KHL isn’t what it used to be. I know you disagree on the quality of the KHL so no point in going back and forth on it.
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True, ultimately doesn't matter, he's not our prospect, but I'm high on Nikishin.
 
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TLEH said:
He’s not in the KHL because he sucks, but he is dominating at the level he is because the KHL isn’t what it used to be. I know you disagree on the quality of the KHL so no point in going back and forth on it.
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Why is it only him dominating there among the top prospects then and not the other top prospect guys?
 
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Caser said:
Why is it only him dominating there among the top prospects then and not the other top prospect guys?
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I’m not arguing that he isn’t the best D in the KHL. I’m arguing that what he is doing in the KHL doesn’t make him an elite D as soon as he comes over. Which I’ve seen thrown around a lot.

I think it’s a lot more likely that the KHL as a league is less competitive as a whole, rather than things like this.



But I’ll defer to you because you have seen one million times more KHL than me.
 
TLEH said:
I’m not arguing that he isn’t the best D in the KHL. I’m arguing that what he is doing in the KHL doesn’t make him an elite D as soon as he comes over. Which I’ve seen thrown around a lot.

I think it’s a lot more likely that the KHL as a league is less competitive as a whole, rather than things like this.



But I’ll defer to you because you have seen one million times more KHL than me.
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I just meant that if we are assuming that the KHL level has declined so much, then even our good friend Artur Kayumov should've been posting some crazy stats, as he got the skillset and is already experienced enough, but somehow it doesn't work that way for him.

As for Michkov he isn't dominating like at all and looked pretty meh in the recent games, but his hockey awareness is enough to collect the points even in that kind of scenario, as for him mostly all it takes is to be at the right time at the right spot.
 
Caser said:
I just meant that if we are assuming that the KHL level has declined so much, then even our good friend Artur Kayumov should've been posting some crazy stats, as he got the skillset and is already experienced enough, but somehow it doesn't work that way for him.

As for Michkov he isn't dominating like at all and looked pretty meh in the recent games, but his hockey awareness is enough to collect the points even in that kind of scenario, as for him mostly all it takes is to be at the right time at the right spot.
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Well on the opposite end someone like Goldobin is going bonkers. Morozov couldn't score in the AHL and now he's near the top. Only time will tell I guess. I am skeptical.

I don't mean like over one or two seasons the KHL has gone from 2nd best league to a 6th or 7th best. But I do think that a lot of these predictive "z-score" type models aren't accurately representing the current strength of the league.
 
TLEH said:
Well on the opposite end someone like Goldobin is going bonkers. Only time will tell I guess. I am skeptical.

I don't mean like over one or two seasons the KHL has gone from 2nd best league to a 6th or 7th best. But I do think that a lot of these predictive "z-score" type models aren't accurately representing the current strength of the league.
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I don't know why Goldobin should be any indication here, as he is the typical player who would succeed in the KHL (and in the AHL before that) and not in the NHL. I mean, in the better KHL days Nigel Dawes was pretty much more successful than Kovalchuk and Datsyuk - it's just how the KHL is.

To be fair all of those models suck (as does the statwatching as such), just some suck worse and some less worse. Should be noted though that those are trying to predict the stat translation to the NHL, but that translation isn't the same as league's competitiveness. Shipachyov was always contributing to the KHL's strength as the league, but we all know how his NHL career was, so by any model he will take the KHL down significantly, however in reality his presence was good for the KHL.
 
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Hattrick Kane said:
theathletic.com

Re-drafting the NHL class of 2019: Hughes still goes No. 1, Parssinen skyrockets

Corey Pronman re-ranks the top prospects from the NHL Draft class of 2019.
theathletic.com theathletic.com

For you to read and laugh at. Vlasic doesn’t crack the top 32, but some minor leaguers ahead of him for reasons.
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Care to drop in the order for those of us with no subscription? Roughly a week into the NHL season is such an odd time to release these re-draft things. Kinda feels like the sort of thing that should be done either before the season or mid-season, as who knows how much reaction we should be giving to early starts. Hard to justify leaving a defenseman playing 19 and a half minutes at first pair even strength and holding his own on a team without much support out of the top 32, in any sample, though. But he's like 38th in NHL games played in his draft class, and coming into the season it'd be pretty easy to do so after the top 15 or so obvious ones.
 
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WarriorofTime said:
Care to drop in the order for those of us with no subscription? Roughly a week into the NHL season is such an odd time to release these re-draft things. Kinda feels like the sort of thing that should be done either before the season or mid-season, as who knows how much reaction we should be giving to early starts. Hard to justify leaving a defenseman playing 19 and a half minutes at first pair even strength and holding his own on a team without much support out of the top 32, in any sample, though. But he's like 38th in NHL games played in his draft class, and coming into the season it'd be pretty easy to do so after the top 15 or so obvious ones.
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  1. Jack Hughes, C (Devils, No. 1)
  2. Dylan Cozens, C (Sabres, No. 7)
  3. Trevor Zegras, C (Ducks, No. 9)
  4. Cole Caufield, RW (Canadiens, No. 15)
  5. Moritz Seider, D (Red Wings, No. 6)
  6. Matt Boldy, LW (Wild, No. 12)
  7. Bowen Byram, D (Avalanche, No. 4)
  8. Kaapo Kakko, RW (Rangers, No. 2)
  9. Shane Pinto, C (Senators, No. 32)
  10. Kirby Dach, C (Blackhawks, No. 3)
  11. Philip Broberg, D (Oilers, No. 8)
  12. Thomas Harley, D (Stars, No. 18)
  13. Arthur Kaliyev, RW (Kings, No. 33)
  14. Juuso Parssinen, LW (Predators, No. 210)
  15. Spencer Knight, G (Panthers, No. 13)
  16. Alex Newhook, C (Avalanche, No. 16)
  17. Philip Tomasino, RW (Predators, No. 24)
  18. Mads Sogaard, G (Senators, No. 37)
  19. Matias Maccelli, LW (Coyotes, No. 98)
  20. Peyton Krebs, LW (Golden Knights, No. 17)
  21. Nolan Foote, LW (Lightning, No. 27)
  22. Elmer Soderblom, LW (Red Wings, No. 159)
  23. Jackson LaCombe, D (Ducks, No. 39)
  24. Jordan Spence, D (Kings, No. 94)
  25. Arseny Gritsyuk, RW (Devils, No. 129)
  26. Vasily Podkolzin, RW (Canucks, No. 10)
  27. Dustin Wolf, G (Flames, No. 214)
  28. Arturs Silovs, G (Canucks, No. 156)
  29. Connor McMichael, C (Capitals, No. 25)
  30. Samuel Bolduc, D (Islanders, No. 57)
  31. Jakob Pelletier, LW (Flames, No. 26)
  32. Mark Kastelic, C (Senators, No. 125)
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Thank you. Yeah, definitely a lot of what feels like Pronman's idiosyncratic preferences there in the back half of the top 32. Very odd to see Dustin Wolf of Calgary ranked so low. I routinely see him rated as the best goaltender prospect in the world. Only reason he is not in the NHL is contracts and Calgary not wanting to waive who they consider to be a high-end backup in Vladar.
 
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If Vlasic plays like he did in Toronto, he will be top 10 on this list in short order. That player was dominant.

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CallMeShaft said:
It was more than Musto.

The majority here felt that Vlasic played soft, despite his size. Some had compared him to Dylan Strome, who ironically, is loved by Musto.
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Strome level soft was a big extreme whoever said that. But he did play soft.. till recently (I'll gladly admit I was one of them who questioned him in that regard. Hell, I still don't think he uses his size enough but MUCH better than he was before). But the people who questioned his skating were way off. I always thought he was a very good skater for his size. He does have an unorthodox 10-2 skating style, but he does use it effectively with his reach so amazingly.
 
Wyatt Kaiser finishing 6th and Alex Vlasic finishing 14th in this board's offseason prospect poll was a huge whiff. Most stuff I'd seen had them flipped.
 
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The reality is no definitive conclusions can be made about Vlasic one way or the other at this point in time.

I've seen plenty of players that have a promising start and then they fizzle out and revert back to what they really are.

Maybe that's Vlasic. Maybe it isn't.

Nobody should be jumping the gun after a couple of games.
 
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Kevin Musto said:
The reality is no definitive conclusions can be made about Vlasic one way or the other at this point in time.

I've seen plenty of players that have a promising start and then they fizzle out and revert back to what they really are.

Maybe that's Vlasic. Maybe it isn't.

Nobody should be jumping the gun after a couple of games.
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I don't think anyone is making any definitive conclusions after 4 games, but he has certainly showed that he can play at this level. Now it is up to him to keep that up (and hopefully improve).
One thing I will say is that his strong points (skating, stick, positioning, defensive awareness) are all things that should be able to be maintained. His game doesn't depend on putting up points or flashy plays that can run hot and cold.
 
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