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Yeah I don't think you should just have him give it up, but have it taken from him like they did when Warrior beat Hogan because he "wasn't allowed" to have both titles
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Yeah I don't think you should just have him give it up, but have it taken from him like they did when Warrior beat Hogan because he "wasn't allowed" to have both titles
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The IC title has never really recovered from Austin tossing it in the river and giving it up voluntarily to chase the WWF title.
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He had Dragunov tap him out after a long title reign, there’s ways you can make people be fine even if they lose. Especially if they’re gonna win anyways. But I’d rather just have him go in with the title.
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Would need to be a good story. No idea what that is, but that's not my job. You COULD do a title vs. title match, but I'd like to see the IC title get its own showcase and feud/story. That was all I'm saying.
If you really want to make it worthless, put the title on someone and then have nothing for them...like Theory.
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Not until Gunther made it relevant again. That's why I want the IC title to be defended in some way at WM. Hopefully with a good story.
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It absolutely has to be defended at WM. I always thought it was a terrible look for the secondary titles to not make the cut at WM, especially if it's two nights. Hurts the titles prestige and credibility.
Gunther has elevated that title and it appears HHH is going to use it they way they did back in the day by the IC champ being groomed to be the next guy to join the main event scene and dropping it to the guy behind him.
I think they'll do Jey vs. Jimmy at WM and Gunther will successfully defend his title against an opponent TBD then drop it to Jey at Summerslam. Then Gunther moves up to the main event WH title picture.
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Then we agree. This is all I'm getting at. The conversation just started when discussing Gunther vs. Rollins and if it's a title vs. title. I was just saying that I'd rather the IC title showcased and defended. I want a solid story and match to continue to elevate the title in a similar way the Michaels/Razor ladder match did.
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He wins world title night 1, on night 2 it opens with a 6 pack ladder match due to Adam Pierce vacating it ?
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A lot of smoke around Okada going to AEW. Supposedly his relationship with the bucks is a major part of the decision.
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I'm not 100% against Gunther vacating the IC title but it shouldn't be Gunther voluntarily doing it. If they do it, there has to be some kind of storyline where he is forced to vacate it and it shouldn't be as simple as he is getting a world title shot or he won the world title.
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I'm only ok with it if it's forced after he won the world title.
Otherwise he should be losing the belt in a match. I'm not sure why people think him losing the belt is going to hurt him.
Wrestlers have lost mid card belts and moved up the card since the stone age.
This would effectively piss away everything he's done to elevate that belt.
Wasn't all that long ago that Rollins held (And defended in one night) a main belt and the US title. But even bigger money is to have Gunther eat a pin to somebody they're pushing as a future main event star, and then you can sell a rematch 6 months to a year down the road as WHC Gunther vs. the only guy who has pinned him on the main roster.
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I dont disagree...it was just a way to do it without him pulling a Samoa Joe
Unless something has come out, I'm not even sure they've decided on Gunther for Seth yet. It's certainly the easiest route considering Seth and Gunther both lost their Mania opponents, but I honestly expect they lean toward Drew.
I think Drew was the initial Mania plan for Seth before they got Punk. (Which would explain his storming out at SS) Sami was probably the plan afterward. You could always just walk back the plan and put Seth and Drew together.
Leaves Gunther in a questionable spot where I think the "hardcore" fans would accept Gable vs. Gunther at Mania, and we know they'd have a great match, but the company may not want Gable as the guy that dethrones Gunther.
People think Drew can't take the belt off Seth because of his contract status, but I kinda think it's a non-issue. I'd expect that there's one of three issues with Drew's contract status. He wants more money. He's pissed off with how he's been used. Or he's just burned out and needs time off. Can't fix the last one. But more money is easy, and he can't be mad about the way he's being used if they put the belt on him. Even if he doesn't want to sign long term, you can offer the guy extra money to stick around until they take the title off him.
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You don't want Gunther eating a pin for the IC belt while he is WHC. He needs to eat a pin for that belt beforehand or it needs to be taken off him after he becomes WHC.
Which is why he probably is not the right choice to wrestle Seth at Mania. Drew or Sami are easier choices and you can crown Gunther down the road.
Which is why he probably is not the right choice to wrestle Seth at Mania. Drew or Sami are easier choices and you can crown Gunther down the road.
He wouldn't be the WHC while while he's eating a pin for the IC. That's why I don't think he's getting the WHC.
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