All Purpose Morgan Rielly Discussion

[mclaren55]

Why do people keep saying this? Read the damn thread, most of the analysis posted includes 2-3 years of play. Rielly's struggles defensively aren't a "10 game problem". 4 years ago he could outscore his defensive woes, but he can't anymore.

He certainly can't be asked to be a rock solid defender, in which case he's definitely not a #1 and that is something that should be taken into account with his contract looming. How much are we willing to pay for that?

2-3 years of play, gotcha. So where are you starting, 2018? His almost Norris year? Or last year, where he was fighting an injury the whole time?

This is why we can't have nice things people.

In his last 139 games (2 "full" seasons plus 2021) he has 24 goals and 82 assists, for a total of 106 points. Yea guys, lets get rid of him.... Are you all smoking crack?

 

[Critical13]

2-3 years of play, gotcha. So where are you starting, 2018? His almost Norris year? Or last year, where he was fighting an injury the whole time?

This is why we can't have nice things people.

In his last 139 games (2 "full" seasons plus 2021) he has 24 goals and 82 assists, for a total of 106 points. Yea guys, lets get rid of him.... Are you all smoking crack?

So how much will you offer him when his contract is up?

 

[JT AM da real deal]

So how much will you offer him when his contract is up?

Da big issue is when will Rielly lose his differentiating advantage --- speed. He does not have a defensive game to fall back on. Once his speed is gone he will be out of league quickly. We have to be very careful on Rielly's term. His AVV I would not go past 5M he makes today. Term i would say 4 more years. He still has value especially if we can find him da right partner.

 

[mclaren55]

So how much will you offer him when his contract is up?

I'm not a GM, I don't know what he is worth. If you had a gun to my head, 7m x 6 I would be comfortable with. He would be 32 when the contract ends, and 7mil for an almost PPG player on the blue line is cheap.

 

[meefer]

So how much will you offer him when his contract is up?

Based on your criticisms of him, in a flat cap market how could he be worth any more than what he is currently making? I have no idea what he will be worth next year as I've not seen his body of work til that date. Meanwhile, I've no problem suggesting the team investigate with his agent what it will take to re-sign with the team. Here, I'll defer to former GM Lou Lam, 'if you've got time to make a decision, use it.'

 

[Critical13]

I'm not a GM, I don't know what he is worth. If you had a gun to my head, 7m x 6 I would be comfortable with. He would be 32 when the contract ends, and 7mil for an almost PPG player on the blue line is cheap.

You and I have very different ideas of almost PPG and the value of defence, then. Explains why our opinions on Rielly would be miles apart.

Good luck keeping Hyman if you hand Rielly 7m.

 

[Critical13]

Based on your criticisms of him, in a flat cap market how could he be worth any more than what he is currently making? I have no idea what he will be worth next year as I've not seen his body of work til that date. Meanwhile, I've no problem suggesting the team investigate with his agent what it will take to re-sign with the team. Here, I'll defer to former GM Lou Lam, 'if you've got time to make a decision, use it.'

We do have time, but I do think if we're going to move him, it would be prudent to do it before the expansion draft, with a full year of term left. That makes this year's play key.

 

[Buds17]

I believe this to be a pretty accurate post, and look forward to the responses.

We don't need to make a move now, that much is for sure... but, we've got decisions to make. A flat cap for 3-4 more years, Rielly needs a new contract and likely a raise, and we risk losing players to the expansion draft. Our depth is in question already, so to sign Rielly for $7 mil, $ 8 mil is a huge commitment, with that flat cap. It's got to be the right decision, and we need to look objectively at such a decision. Is he the guy you commit that much to, in this environment? Is he the guy we lose a Dermott or a Holl over, in expansion? If he continues to play in the manner he has so far this year, I'd say it's time to move on (and he's played poorly defensively for years). If somehow Brodie and Rielly find great chemistry, then we have to resign him. Constructive discussion is important.

Definitely no need to make a move now. There's still time to determine whether or not he will even be re-signed. Beyond that, he's especially playing above Dermott in the lineup. I'd be surprised if Dermott is prioritized over Rielly come expansion time. Holl is at least the much closer comparison, but still...

The future is important. So too though is the present. Hyman and Mikheyev were retained over Kapanen and Johnsson this past offseason when the former two players combine for less term left on their deals in comparison to the latter two. No blueliner on the team to this point has been able to usurp Rielly in TOI/G or offensive production. I'd obviously like to see an improvement defensively. Highlighting what he isn't shouldn't take away from all that he is though. He's still an important part of the plans right now IMO.

 

[Fogelhund]

Highlighting what he isn't shouldn't take away from all that he is though. He's still an important part of the plans right now IMO.

That's the key right here... What he is, has to be sufficient to make up for what he isn't. Last year, and this year it hasn't. Injury last year, and a weird season this year... so he's got some time, and he's been good enough that there needs to be some patience.. but....

 

[cannucky]

2-3 years of play, gotcha. So where are you starting, 2018? His almost Norris year? Or last year, where he was fighting an injury the whole time?

This is why we can't have nice things people.

In his last 139 games (2 "full" seasons plus 2021) he has 24 goals and 82 assists, for a total of 106 points. Yea guys, lets get rid of him.... Are you all smoking crack?

The question is Are You ! You conveniently add his 1 good year in to mask 2 other bad years , How about we look at his 7 years of playing for the Leafs ? He's played 527 games with 277 points and a -44 or how about we equalize his stats by tossing his best and worst years ? Then he played 368 games over 5 years with 178 points and - 51 . He has always been a 4th winger cherry picking from the back end while being raging dumpster fire on actual Defense , when he isn't over committing in the O zone and watching the opponent counter attack in transition he is getting walked more than an incontinent dog . How many points you think Nylander or Marner would put up over 7 years if they could play that role ? Should have traded him 2 years ago before the rest of the league saw what McJesus did to him 1 v 1 .

PS McJesus hasn't been able to pull that move on anybody else .

 

[Buds17]

That's the key right here... What he is, has to be sufficient to make up for what he isn't. Last year, and this year it hasn't. Injury last year, and a weird season this year... so he's got some time, and he's been good enough that there needs to be some patience.. but....

I think the injury demonstrated just how much he was missed. The same applies for Muzzin. As rough as the -4 rating is, he's still the ice time leader. Furthermore, the only players with more points than him are the ones for which we'd expect that to be the case (the big 4).

 

[moon111]

If you take all of the Leaf's playoffs from 2001-02 to now, the best +/- for any Leaf defender in that time period is Ron Hainsey.

I am shocked to see people think Rielly's defensive woes are something new. You watch good defensive teams, they'll work like a
cohesive unit in their end. Rielly usually doesn't have a clue where anyone is. He's totally focused on where the puck is. His best
defensive effort comes from trying to intercept a pass to an open opponent who he should have covered.

 

[cannucky]

Every year we get to the end and say we need to improve our D . Every following year we assign Reilly a new babysitter then blame that guy for Reilly's inability to play D , talk about an insane loop of logic . 7 years is a big enough sample to say See Ya don't let the door hit you in the ... on the way out .

 

[mclaren55]

The question is Are You ! You conveniently add his 1 good year in to mask 2 other bad years , How about we look at his 7 years of playing for the Leafs ? He's played 527 games with 277 points and a -44 or how about we equalize his stats by tossing his best and worst years ? Then he played 368 games over 5 years with 178 points and - 51 . He has always been a 4th winger cherry picking from the back end while being raging dumpster fire on actual Defense , when he isn't over committing in the O zone and watching the opponent counter attack in transition he is getting walked more than an incontinent dog . How many points you think Nylander or Marner would put up over 7 years if they could play that role ? Should have traded him 2 years ago before the rest of the league saw what McJesus did to him 1 v 1 .

PS McJesus hasn't been able to pull that move on anybody else .

Reading comprehension, you need it.

I asked “what 2–3 years”, and assumed that was the sample the person in which I was conversing with was referring to. I didn’t cherry pick, I assumed.

Moving along, look at his quality of partners and competition over his career. This guy is slotted to be on our Olympic roster as a second pairing, yet he is a shit show and not worthy of our Leafs?

Some of you need some perspective, Rielly is far from our problem.

 

[mclaren55]

You and I have very different ideas of almost PPG and the value of defence, then. Explains why our opinions on Rielly would be miles apart.

Good luck keeping Hyman if you hand Rielly 7m.

I know, it’s too bad we have so much tied up in so few players. I love Hyman. If you are saying “Hyman or Rielly”, I’m picking the latter.

 

[TakeTheBody]

Because of salary if I have to choose between Hyman and Mo and Freddie.

1. Hyman

2. Freddie ( i guess)

3. Mo

It would be nice to keep two of the three. In my eyes Hyman is a must.

 

[Rielly4]

I mean to be honest he really isnt a perfect defender but most offensive D of his caliber aren't. Look at youngsters Hughes and Makar they arent exactly good defensively but it doesnt matter much because they are dyanmic. Same goes for Rielly, all he has to do is find the offensive confidence he had a few seasons ago. For being sucha terrific skater and offensive d man he isnt a bad defender. Hes second pair level defensively he doesnt need to be sheltered completely.

 

[Fogelhund]

By the way, decent night tonight... let's build on that.

 

[Critical13]

By the way, decent night tonight... let's build on that.

Fogel...shhhh man lol

He looked better.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

He has a lot of the traits of a franchise/#1D like the raw skill and talent, the skating ability, the athleticism/stamina, but his flaws are just too big imo.

The IQ, positioning and just overall defensive acumen and play without the puck aren’t there. They’re too much of a liability to me.

To me it just feels like if the Leafs are gonna get to where they wanna go, he’s going to need to be supplanted by someone more fit for the role. Someone who has a lot of his positive traits but who also defends better and more consistently

 

[Tmart335]

He has a lot of the traits of a franchise/#1D like the raw skill and talent, the skating ability, the athleticism/stamina, but his flaws are just too big imo.

The IQ, positioning and just overall defensive acumen and play without the puck aren’t there. They’re too much of a liability to me.

To me it just feels like if the Leafs are gonna get to where they wanna go, he’s going to need to be supplanted by someone more fit for the role. Someone who has a lot of his positive traits but who also defends better and more consistently

so who is filling the spot of number one defenseman on the leafs . Someone who is eats 20-30 minutes a night and plays top PP?

I see lots of leafs fans saying let him walk or move him. Just curious who people think will fill those minutes.

there is no one currently, on the leafs defence that can fill that role

 

[francis246]

Da big issue is when will Rielly lose his differentiating advantage --- speed. He does not have a defensive game to fall back on. Once his speed is gone he will be out of league quickly. We have to be very careful on Rielly's term. His AVV I would not go past 5M he makes today. Term i would say 4 more years. He still has value especially if we can find him da right partner.

Rielly is getting at least 7 million, if not 8. Especially after taking a team friendly second/third contract.

 

[francis246]

I know, it’s too bad we have so much tied up in so few players. I love Hyman. If you are saying “Hyman or Rielly”, I’m picking the latter.

you have to get rid of Kerfoot. Trade him for nothing like you did for Johnsson. It’s the only way. Hyman is a must sign. Our prospects/guys on ELC’s have to be ready to play now, starting next year. The cap will be too tight. Robertson and Sandin will have to make leaps

 

[cesareborgia]

Reading comprehension, you need it.

I asked “what 2–3 years”, and assumed that was the sample the person in which I was conversing with was referring to. I didn’t cherry pick, I assumed.

Moving along, look at his quality of partners and competition over his career. This guy is slotted to be on our Olympic roster as a second pairing, yet he is a shit show and not worthy of our Leafs?

Some of you need some perspective, Rielly is far from our problem.

His play from 2018 is Team Canada worthy, yes. But not his current play. Maybe taxi squad.

 

[Notsince67]

North of 87xgf%
Ready for the taxi squad.