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What to do with Mo

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Wafflewhipper said:
Rielly’s game is bad. This guy can’t process the game. Everything he does is chasing. I don’t think he has a clue defensively because he does nothing with repetitiousness. He runs around here, chases out there,follows puck carriers so he is way out of position. It’s gross.
I’ll just say it for everyone. Morgan Rielly has regressed, he’s slowed and he doesn’t have a positive effect on the game other than offense. Completely the same as Barrie. Time to get rid of him
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I don't know if some of what you are saying is true, with regression. I think people are finally seeing him for what he really is, and always has been.

Put him with a Hainsey, a prime Tanev, other other strong defensive guy and he'd be really good. Finding that guy, just isn't easy. Strange as this might seem... the guy we have who could one day be a good partner, is Liljegren... I just don't think he's there yet... But, ideally, you'd have a bigger, more physical guy.

If that babysitter can't be find, I fully agree that it's time to move on.
 
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Wafflewhipper said:
Rielly’s game is bad. This guy can’t process the game. Everything he does is chasing. I don’t think he has a clue defensively because he does nothing with repetitiousness. He runs around here, chases out there,follows puck carriers so he is way out of position. It’s gross.
I’ll just say it for everyone. Morgan Rielly has regressed, he’s slowed and he doesn’t have a positive effect on the game other than offense. Completely the same as Barrie. Time to get rid of him
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Not regressed - he has declined. Regressing would actually be driving up his play at this point. At least offensively, he's usually more dangerous than he has been this season. Most of his points are points any D man would get playing on our power play.
 
Fogelhund said:
I don't know if some of what you are saying is true, with regression. I think people are finally seeing him for what he really is, and always has been.

Put him with a Hainsey, a prime Tanev, other other strong defensive guy and he'd be really good. Finding that guy, just isn't easy. Strange as this might seem... the guy we have who could one day be a good partner, is Liljegren... I just don't think he's there yet... But, ideally, you'd have a bigger, more physical guy.

If that babysitter can't be find, I fully agree that it's time to move on.
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I agree, and I would personally like to see:

Muzzin - Holl
Dermott - Brodie
Rielly - Bogosian
 
Fogelhund said:
I don't know if some of what you are saying is true, with regression. I think people are finally seeing him for what he really is, and always has been.

Put him with a Hainsey, a prime Tanev, other other strong defensive guy and he'd be really good. Finding that guy, just isn't easy. Strange as this might seem... the guy we have who could one day be a good partner, is Liljegren... I just don't think he's there yet... But, ideally, you'd have a bigger, more physical guy.

If that babysitter can't be find, I fully agree that it's time to move on.
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Did you just seriously suggest that Morgan Rielly was a product of RON fricken HAINSEY ????
 
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Overdrive showing projected lineup for Team Canada. They have Rielly penned in on defence. Discuss ... :DD
 
Gary Nylund said:
Overdrive showing projected lineup for Team Canada. They have Rielly penned in on defence. Discuss ... :DD
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He’s not playing like the defensemen that are depended on the most. 24:00 minutes a game is showing to be to much for him. He doesn’t have the pace for it. 20 minutes per for the next while would be worth a look. He’s a give away machine.
Less minutes might be a cure. Never know for sure but wouldn’t hurt. Give Lehtonen some games and rest Rielly.
 
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Fogelhund said:
I don't know if some of what you are saying is true, with regression. I think people are finally seeing him for what he really is, and always has been.

Put him with a Hainsey, a prime Tanev, other other strong defensive guy and he'd be really good. Finding that guy, just isn't easy. Strange as this might seem... the guy we have who could one day be a good partner, is Liljegren... I just don't think he's there yet... But, ideally, you'd have a bigger, more physical guy.

If that babysitter can't be find, I fully agree that it's time to move on.
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Finding Ron Hainsey is the easiest thing you can do. I never understood the idea Hainsey somehow helped Rielly. Hainsey looked finished and is now done right after leaving Rielly.
 
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RogerR said:
Finding Ron Hainsey is the easiest thing you can do. I never understood the idea Hainsey somehow helped Rielly. Hainsey looked finished and is now right after leaving Rielly.
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Hainsey helped Rielly in thr sense that he didn't need to be baby sat like unfortunately some of his other earlier partners. But I think some people mistakenly think Hainsey was doing the heavy lifting, which wasn't true, he just wasn't a boat anchor.
 
Wafflewhipper said:
He’s not playing like the defensemen that are depended on the most. 24:00 minutes a game is showing to be to much for him. He doesn’t have the pace for it. 20 minutes per for the next while would be worth a look. He’s a give away machine.
Less minutes might be a cure. Never know for sure but wouldn’t hurt. Give Lehtonen some games and rest Rielly.
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Team Canada is obviously different from the NHL (shorter duration, no cap to affect the quality of teammates). For the Leafs, Rielly is still their biggest minutes man and point producer from the blueline. Lehtonen is a #6D that plays part-time. If Lehtonen's playing time is to be increased, there are likely to be other, better ways to accomplish that than by resting/relaxing the minutes of the #1D to a significant enough (~4 min) degree.
 
RogerR said:
Finding Ron Hainsey is the easiest thing you can do. I never understood the idea Hainsey somehow helped Rielly. Hainsey looked finished and is now done right after leaving Rielly.
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If Finding a Hainsey is the easiest thing to do, how exactly has it been so hard to find him the right partner since? Hainsey just covered up for Rielly, and focused on playing D. It let Rielly be Rielly.
 
zeke said:
Did you just seriously suggest that Morgan Rielly was a product of RON fricken HAINSEY ????
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:laugh::laugh:

I know you understand the game, better than to think that. Finding the right partner, and chemistry, that allows players to be what they can, is not what you are thinking I suggested. Hainsey just provided good enough D, that Rielly could excel. Rielly wasn't a product of Hainsey, but that pairing let him be the best we've seen, in a Leafs uniform. The best I've seen him, was with Tanev. Hainey and Tanev, provided good enough D, that Rielly could focus on what he is best at... it's that simple. Put a guy with Rielly who isn't as good defensively as those two, and you end up with a guy in Rielly, who doesn't excel. Seriously, when do you think Rielly has been at his best, and why was that?
 
Fogelhund said:
If Finding a Hainsey is the easiest thing to do, how exactly has it been so hard to find him the right partner since? Hainsey just covered up for Rielly, and focused on playing D. It let Rielly be Rielly.
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Was it that or Rielly was healthy and hit his peak? It's on him not his partner. Guy had the worst partner of any of the top D 2 years ago.
 
Fogelhund said:
:laugh::laugh:

I know you understand the game, better than to think that. Finding the right partner, and chemistry, that allows players to be what they can, is not what you are thinking I suggested. Hainsey just provided good enough D, that Rielly could excel. Rielly wasn't a product of Hainsey, but that pairing let him be the best we've seen, in a Leafs uniform. The best I've seen him, was with Tanev. Hainey and Tanev, provided good enough D, that Rielly could focus on what he is best at... it's that simple. Put a guy with Rielly who isn't as good defensively as those two, and you end up with a guy in Rielly, who doesn't excel. Seriously, when do you think Rielly has been at his best, and why was that?
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So why didn't we sign Tanev if he's so perfect for Rielly? Half a million less than Brodie.
 
Critical91 said:
Agreed. I am not certain we should wait for Seatlle to take one of Dermott or Holl so we can protect him for 1 year and then let him walk as a UFA.

I really want to at least see what we look like with someone else beside Brodie. Dermott-Brodie sounds like a good pairing.
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you would actually let Reilly walk as a UFA ? I like dermott, but do you Think he should be a top 2 player?

Keefe won’t even play dermott on the top 6 on a nightly basis, and you want him playing top pair?

reilly is really underestimated from what he does for the leafs. Do you not recall last January when him and muzzin were missing from the lineup?
 
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CantLoseWithMatthews said:
yes, Rielly is definitely unique on the PP in the sense that he makes it worse. They get more shot attempts, shots, goals, expected goals, scoring chances, and high danger chances when he's not on the ice. He makes terrible decisions out there
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The only defenseman that I have ever seen on the PP this year were Reilly , Brodie and lehtonen .

So who is getting all these high danger chances when he is not on the ice? Brodie has 4 assists and none on the pp

it’s weird that a PP is ranked top 5 with Reilly. Maybe we should try bogo there? Muzzin? Holl? Play 5 forwards? What are you suggesting
 
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Players have. to be have enough pop in their game to deserve the minutes they play. I’m not sure i could come up with a solid discussion why Reilly needs less minutes. So i take that back. I’ll stick to what I’m seeing and not coming up with answers ha.
He needs to play with a bit more confidence with the puck. Thats my final though on Morgs
 
Wafflewhipper said:
He’s not playing like the defensemen that are depended on the most. 24:00 minutes a game is showing to be to much for him. He doesn’t have the pace for it. 20 minutes per for the next while would be worth a look. He’s a give away machine.
Less minutes might be a cure. Never know for sure but wouldn’t hurt. Give Lehtonen some games and rest Rielly.
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I actually agree that Rielly should be in the 20 minute area. I'd like to see them move around the D pairings to give Rielly the big D partner that he needs. In the least, it may average out the Defense TOI
 
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