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Stephen said:
I seem to recall the CBJ game and Montreal games early in the year was frustrating. He may have gotten a bunch of points but that sloppy puck management was creeping into his game and we saw a lot of soft plays and bad turnovers.
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If that was happening I can not remember it exactly, because in their 2nd game against Columbus last season Marner had 2 goals and 1 assist.
 
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Gary Nylund said:
Thanks I guess but like I said, I'm not really interested in comparing Marner's performances this season vs last and also, I'm far more interested in playoff performance this season. And that goes for all our players, not just Marner.
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I'm interested in both
 
Marner has always put points on the board, whether he’s playing good or bad. The difference between last year and this year is that he’s been more engaged consistently. He’s s going more to the net and digging pucks out from the corners even though he’s still not really using his body that much. He isn’t trying to be too pretty with the puck and trying to throw a fancy cross ice pass constantly when the opposing team is set up defensively, etc. Let’s hope he continues his strong play.
 
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DarkKnight said:
Probably the most memorable playoff moment for some time. Heart of a lion, on and off the ice.
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Here's another memorable moment - when he said he wasn't physically engaged for the 1st game of the playins against CLB last season. I'm still shaking my head at that, I have no idea how after losing in the playoffs 3 years in a row he's not more ready than at any other point in his entire hockey life to play that game. Heart of a Lion? OK if you say so, maybe some games but not every night. And when you're one of the highest paid players in the world, have talent to burn, are one of the leaders on the team and aren't ready to play your best in a situation like that ... expect criticism.
 
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Notsince67 said:
I'm interested in both
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I assume you mean both regular season and playoffs? I am too, just MORE interested in playoffs. Much more. And my interest in the regular season is MOSTLY as a barometer of what we might expect once the playoffs start. It's almost like one big pre-season to me.
 
Gary Nylund said:
Here's another memorable moment - when he said he wasn't physically engaged for the 1st game of the playins against CLB last season. I'm still shaking my head at that, I have no idea how after losing in the playoffs 3 years in a row he's not more ready than at any other point in his entire hockey life to play that game. Heart of a Lion? OK if you say so, maybe some games but not every night. And when you're one of the highest paid players in the world, have talent to burn, are one of the leaders on the team and aren't ready to play your best in a situation like that ... expect criticism.
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Oh bolded, how impactful. Enjoy slicing the kid up at every turn, I don’t take it seriously. Cheers.
 
DarkKnight said:
Oh bolded, how impactful. Enjoy slicing the kid up at every turn, I don’t take it seriously. Cheers.
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:laugh::laugh:

He wasn't ready to play the first playoff game that we'd been waiting for for over a year, that's a fact that he himself brought to our attention. Good for him I guess for admitting it but the only way that memory will fade into nothingness is by washing it away with playoff success which hasn't happened yet and no, scoring 10 points in the first 7 regular season games or whatever doesn't quite do the trick. You can pretend this never happened or pretend it's not worthy of mention and instead, say he has the heart of a lion because he blocked a shot, that's your choice.

Only yesterday I said that I don't disagree that Marner is roughly the 11th best forward in the league and that he's perhaps the best playmaker in Maple Leaf history. The only thing I said that could even remotely be considered negative was that he's overpaid (which almost everyone agrees with) and I even softened that by saying "he's not overpaid by too much".

If that to you is "slicing the kid up at every turn" then I don't even know what to say to that. I'm tempted to use the word "snowflake" which I've never done as I hate that term so ... I don't know what to say to you. Maybe this - Marner's an awesome player but he is overpaid, expectations are sky high (as they should be with that cap hit) and he's not exempt from criticism.

Cheers.
 
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Gary Nylund said:
:laugh::laugh:

He wasn't ready to play the first playoff game that we'd been waiting for for over a year, that's a fact that he himself brought to our attention. Good for him I guess for admitting it but the only way that memory will fade into nothingness is by washing it away with playoff success which hasn't happened yet and no, scoring 10 points in the first 7 regular season games or whatever doesn't quite do the trick. You can pretend this never happened or pretend it's not worthy of mention and instead, say he has the heart of a lion because he blocked a shot, that's your choice.

Only yesterday I said that I don't disagree that Marner is roughly the 11th best forward in the league and that he's perhaps the best playmaker in Maple Leaf history. The only thing I said that could even remotely be considered negative was that he's overpaid (which almost everyone agrees with) and I even softened that by saying "he's not overpaid by too much".

If that to you is "slicing the kid up at every turn" then I don't even know what to say to that. I'm tempted to use the word "snowflake" which I've never done as I hate that term so ... I don't know what to say to you. Maybe this - Marner's an awesome player but he is overpaid, expectations are sky high (as they should be with that cap hit) and he's not exempt from criticism.

Cheers.
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Yup better get him for admitting it and give everyone a pass who didnt. That is what accountability in this age means.
 
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Notsince67 said:
Yup better get him for admitting it and give everyone a pass who didnt. That is what accountability in this age means.
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Nobody gets a pass but the highest paid superstars are first in the blame line and are held to a higher standard then role players, that's just the way it is. And as far as I know, he's the only one who said he wasn't ready to play when the playoffs started but that doesn't mean that others weren't ready.

Should Marner not be held accountable? Do you think he's the only player on the team subjected to criticism? Why do you think everyone else is getting a pass?
 
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Gary Nylund said:
Nobody gets a pass but the highest paid superstars are first in the blame line and are held to a higher standard then role players, that's just the way it is. And as far as I know, he's the only one who said he wasn't ready to play when the playoffs started but that doesn't mean that others weren't ready.

Should Marner not be held accountable? Do you think he's the only player on the team subjected to criticism? Why do you think everyone else is getting a pass?
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Sorry. Must have missed your post on keeping everyone else accountable. Doesnt matter that he was the single handed reason they won 2 of their games
 
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Gary Nylund said:
Here's another memorable moment - when he said he wasn't physically engaged for the 1st game of the playins against CLB last season.
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You're MASSIVELY exaggerating that comment. It didn't mean he wasn't ready to play, or didn't give it his all. He wasn't as engaged in specifically one aspect of play (physicality) that is probably his least impactful attribute in the first place, and it only happened in specifically one game, in a bubble, with no fans bringing energy, after not playing and barely being able to practice or skate for almost half of a year, in the middle of a global pandemic. A situation these players have never experienced.

You know who else wasn't as engaged as normal physically in their first game back? Like 90% of the players in the league, if you bothered to watch. The only difference is Marner took ownership of it, and now you use it against him to discredit literally anything else he does.
 
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Notsince67 said:
Sorry. Must have missed your post on keeping everyone else accountable. Doesnt matter that he was the single handed reason they won 2 of their games
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This is a thread dedicated to Marner - see thread title. I keep others accountable in other threads.

Which games are the ones he won single handedly? I call BS. This is the NHL, nobody wins games all by themselves.

Marner's a great player but how about we go easy on the hyberbole and keep it real.
 
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I think the coaches and players around the league have adjusted to Marner to the pint where it’s getting harder for him to pull off as many highlight reel calibre goals and assists. Particularly since he’s going against some top defenders now.

In turn we also see more turnovers and some sloppiness in comparison to his first few years as he’s adjusting... this is probably why some around here have been so critical which is understandable

But he is adjusting his game to make more subtle smart plays where he is still able to pick up points and produce at a high rate.

He needs to keep adjusting though and ensure he’s not too careless with the puck. Last season I think he was at times, but this year it hasn’t been as much.
 
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Lumberg said:
Here's the quote:

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Marner led the game 5x5 xgf% that game at 71.32 %
Notably bad (below 50%) for forwards over 15min were
Matthews 40.78%
Nylander 44.83
Hyman 41.25

But let's blame Marner for the game. I love the data people use to cast blame. Being accountable is the #1 driver of blame.
 
Lumberg said:
Some posters - even a hint of negativity or criticism toward a player and they're instantly there defending.
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Is this a knock on Kaberle? He doesn't shoot the puck on the PP because he's looking for the best play with the man advantage, LEAVE KABERLE ALONE.
 
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Lumberg said:
Some posters - even a hint of negativity or criticism toward a player and they're instantly there defending.
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You call this a hint lol?
I have no issue with legit criticism. To close your eyes and describe what people do around here ain't a hint. Its childish and ignorant. The problem some of you folk have is that the overwhelming evidence easily refutes your narrative exhibited through weak "what abouts". Listening to Money Mitch name calling followed by strawmen arguments and then pearl clutching that it was just mild legitimate criticism is a real bitch move.
 
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He had a bad series against Columbus, along with many other Leafs. I think we can finally move on from it. I'm sure Mitch will be better the next go around.
 
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