All Purpose Mitch Marner Talk II

[KyleDubasBoyGeniua]

Care to share ?

Suspended in the playoffs back-to-back years for the EXACT same act? Please name another NHL player who has done this.

 

[ToneDog]

Suspended in the playoffs back-to-back years for the EXACT same act? Please name another NHL player who has done this.

Thought it was more than that. You know, things like doing drugs, beating up cab drivers, girlfriends and wives, doing a teammate's wife or girlfriend, sexually abusing your teenage babysitter, DUI, etc. etc. etc.

 

[KyleDubasBoyGeniua]

Thought it was more than that. You know, things like doing drugs, beating up cab drivers, girlfriends and wives, doing a teammate's wife or girlfriend, sexually abusing your teenage babysitter, DUI, etc. etc. etc.

Yeah, you don't have to be a monster to be traded due to NHL suspensions. Not sure why you're bringing that stuff up.

It's isn't just "a suspension". He hurt his team badly 2 straight years for the exact same act.

 

[LeafsNation75]

The biggest thing with Marner is the opposition can play him like they use to play Sergei Berezin. You knew Berezin was going to shoot, just like you know Marner is going to pass. I really think Marner tried to change this up more to keep the opposition on their toes, but he just has such a weak shot.

The few times when Marner shots the puck he's been able to score goals like this. So I wouldn't say his shot isn't weak, the problem is he doesn't use it a lot.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Matthew Tkachuk has 3 goals and and 5 points in 15 playoffs gamers. What the hell are people talking about?
Marner has 21 points in 25 playoff games...
But Matthew Tkachuk is a playoff warrior?


Am I the only one that notices perception of players in other markets in just sugar coated and Leaf players just get the most crap?

Marner was the Maple Leafs best player in their 2018 playoff series against the Bruins, when he had 9 points in the seven games played.

 

[ponder]

The few times when Marner shots the puck he's been able to score goals like this. So I wouldn't say his shot isn't weak, the problem is he doesn't use it a lot.

His shot is definitely weak for a star NHL forward. Good NHL goal scorers consistently get off hard, accurate shots, even when off balance or under pressure. Marner can get OK power/accuracy when he’s got the perfect setup, but never fires rockets. And when off balance or under pressure, it’s often muffins right into the goalie’s chest.

He’s a terrific player, but a weak shooter. I’d put his shot in the bottom 10-15% among NHL forwards, and bottom 5% among NHL star forwards. His vision, hands, skating, compete level and general quickness/elusiveness make him an elite player regardless, but his shot is a big weakness (as is physical strength). He still puts up 20+ goals, because he controls the play so well and generates prime chances, but with even an average NHL shot he’d be a consistent 30+ goal scorer.

 

[LeafsNation75]

His shot is definitely weak for a star NHL forward. Good NHL goal scorers consistently get off hard, accurate shots, even when off balance or under pressure. Marner can get OK power/accuracy when he’s got the perfect setup, but never fires rockets. And when off balance or under pressure, it’s often muffins right into the goalie’s chest.

He’s a terrific player, but a weak shooter. I’d put his shot in the bottom 10-15% among NHL forwards, and bottom 5% among NHL star forwards.

If you look at that overtime goal he scored against Ottawa, it was said the three Senators penalty killing players thought Marner would pass the puck. So can the threat of him not shooting the puck be an advantage because when he does it could result in another goal like that, or is that something other teams will realize and pressure him to shot it more?

 

[LeafsNation75]

Maybe people should wait for Tkachuk to have a playoff series that isn't dogshit before anointing him some sort of playoff warrior.

Slewfooting people in the regular season is one thing, the refs protect him from any real payback. Once they put their whistles away in the playoffs, Tkachuk is neutered.

I don't see the Leafs ever trading Marner for Matthew Tkachuk. However in some hypothetical fantasy world if that happened knowing the Maple Leafs luck we would see Thkachuk do something stupid in a playoff game and it gets him suspended. So it would be like another situation we saw with Nazem Kadri in 2018 and 2019. So it's funny how the refs always seemed to put their whistles away if a Bruins player did an illegal hit on a Maple Leafs player. However when the Bruins players are on the receiving end of an illegal hit the refs always manage to see it and a suspension happens.

 

[ponder]

If you look at that overtime goal he scored against Ottawa, it was said the three Senators penalty killing players thought Marner would pass the puck. So can the threat of him not shooting the puck be an advantage because when he does it could result in another goal like that, or is that something other teams will realize and pressure him to shot it more?

I think mostly, he’s incredibly quick/shifty, and a phenomenal passer, so he’s just really hard to defend, period. Defenders often get caught with too much of a gap, so they can’t really directly pressure him, or Marner will walk them when they try to close it. So they often end up just staying back a bit and trying to cut off the pass. This gives him a lot of time/space/opportunity to shoot, and he does turn that into goals sometimes, but more often still tries to pass. This is part of what makes him turnover prone IMO - often goes for the pass even when defenders are taking away the pass and giving him the shot.

As a defender, letting Marner shoot is a compromise you have to make - letting him setup Matthews or JT for a great shot is much worse, as is letting Marner deke you and create an odd man situation. If Marner ALSO had a great shot, teams would have to try to take that away more (defend closer, try to block shooting lanes instead of passing lanes, etc.), which would open up playmaking for him even more.

 

[LeafsNation75]

I think mostly, he’s incredibly quick/shifty, and a phenomenal passer, so he’s just really hard to defend, period. Defenders often get caught with too much of a gap, so they can’t really directly pressure him, or Marner will walk them when they try to close it. So they often end up just staying back a bit and trying to cut off the pass. This gives him a lot of time/space/opportunity to shoot, and he does turn that into goals sometimes, but more often still tries to pass. This is part of what makes him turnover prone IMO - often goes for the pass even when defenders are taking away the pass and giving him the shot.

As a defender, letting Marner shoot is a compromise you have to make - letting him setup Matthews or JT for a great shot is much worse, as is letting Marner deke you and create an odd man situation. If Marner ALSO had a great shot, teams would have to try to take that away more (defend closer, try to block shooting lanes instead of passing lanes, etc.), which would open up playmaking for him even more.

Here is one of those examples when Toronto defeated Anaheim in overtime this past season, because Marner got a pass to Tavares which he tipped in for the game winning goal.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Are these the only two examples of Marner skating into the other teams end and scoring a goal with a good shot on net?

 

[LeafsNation75]

Ok guys, stop underrating Mitch Marner. 94 points 2 years ago. 93 point pace last year when everyone thinks he played crappy. He's a franchise winger.
And yeah, people will point to Tkachuk's "cheaper" cap hit without even putting any thought into the fact Marner's deal is double the term.

When has Tkachuk ever blocked shots like this and Marner did this at the end of a playoff game which helped the Leafs get a win.

 

[ACC1224]

When has Tkachuk ever blocked shots like this and Marner did this at the end of a playoff game which helped the Leafs get a win.

99.9% of players block shots in critical situations. It’s not unique, it’s expected

 

[Notsince67]

99.9% of players block shots in critical situations. It’s not unique, it’s expected

not face first it isnt

 

[SlpLessInMuskoka18]

Exactly, he looks right at the puck until its unloaded at him and looks to his right slightly. Looks like his only reaction was to make sure it hit him..

 

[ACC1224]

Poor technique for sure, not surprising for a player of his caliber

 

[LeafsNation75]

 

[TMLeafer]

Looks like this will be live on youtube at 8 tonight. Good cause.



The Leafs’ Mitch Marner is feeding families as he waits to feed his teammates again

And that’s part of the reason he was talking Wednesday, promoting some charitable work for his Marner Assist Fund.
Marner will host a stream-a-thon Thursday to raise money for hunger relief. It is basically a sports talk show featuring the likes of Doug Gilmour, Matt Martin, teammate Justin Holl, comedian Jerry Dee, women’s national team member Laura Stacey, and Pittsburgh Steelers rookie Chase Claypool.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Marner wants to score more and gonto dirty areas more. Just what a player figures out over time. 30 goals coming if he does this. https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/nhl-toronto-maple-leafs-mitch-marner-1.5844635

 

[613Leafer]

The few times when Marner shots the puck he's been able to score goals like this. So I wouldn't say his shot isn't weak, the problem is he doesn't use it a lot.

Part of it is driving the net a bit and getting into a good position to score, or being fast enough off the rush to get a shot off from a good position (e.g. Kessel). Marner's more of a perimeter player and doesn't often have the puck in the slot without traffic in front of him.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Part of it is driving the net a bit and getting into a good position to score, or being fast enough off the rush to get a shot off from a good position (e.g. Kessel). Marner's more of a perimeter player and doesn't often have the puck in the slot without traffic in front of him.

The funny thing is Marner's first career NHL goal looked exactly like the way you described using Phil Kessel's shot as an example.

 

[LeafsNation75]

 

[Antropovsky]

When has Tkachuk ever blocked shots like this and Marner did this at the end of a playoff game which helped the Leafs get a win.

Got any videos of him blocking shots after getting paid 10.893?

 

[LeafsNation75]

Got any videos of him blocking shots after getting paid 10.893?

This wasn't a traditional shot block, however when the Maple Leafs played the Rangers on December 28, 2019 Marner wanted to block Jacob Trouba from clearing the puck out of the Rangers defensive zone and he got hit by it on his left ear. So that's one example of him doing that after signing his $10.893 million contract extension.

 

[Antropovsky]

This wasn't a traditional shot block, however when the Maple Leafs played the Rangers on December 28, 2019 Marner wanted to block Jacob Trouba from clearing the puck out of the Rangers defensive zone and he got hit by it on his left ear. So that's one example of him doing that after signing his $10.893 million contract extension.

Is this a joke? He was not trying to get in front of that puck. he just was not able to react fast enough to get out of the way of it. He was "hit by a clearing attempt"....