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Giordano and Ehrhoff are ideal. Campbell too but that price. Ference and Smid could work well.
Speculation: All Purpose LA Kings 2013-14 Trade Speculation/Rumors Part IV
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Giordano and Ehrhoff are ideal. Campbell too but that price. Ference and Smid could work well.
Don't see the Kings having the assets to trade for a true top pairing D for Doughty.
Kings have Muzzin, which is plan B. Young guy you hope can hold his own until he develops.
UFA's in the Summer may be the soonest the D can be addressed. UFA's may be real pricey with the cap going up.
Kings have Muzzin, which is plan B. Young guy you hope can hold his own until he develops.
UFA's in the Summer may be the soonest the D can be addressed. UFA's may be real pricey with the cap going up.
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http://www.latimes.com/sports/sport...gagner-20140218,0,5193542.story#axzz2thEnhDok
Kings unlikely to resume Sam Gagner trade talks
Kings unlikely to resume Sam Gagner trade talks
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The Kings' players that are scoring in the Olympics are hardly doing so against NHL-level competition. For the most part the teams they have scored against aren't that great. I'll reserve judgment when we see some results in the medal round.
We can all agree that Doughty could be better with a better partner. The question is how was that supposed to happen before the season started, or how is it supposed to happen now given the cap constraints.
It isn't the "system" that calls for Doughty or Muzzin to slap the puck into the shinguards of opposition forwards, or for Kopitar to float along the boards for 30%-40% of the games this season.
It's time for the players to take ownership of their issues. Dean isn't going to bail this team out with another coaching change. The "system" worked just fine last season in terms of putting up offense during the regular season.
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I agree with this but didn't Sutter himself say that if he let doughty loose he would be up among the top D in the league for PPG?
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I don't know if Sutter said that or not, but I think it's true. Would that make the Kings a better team?
Doughty is very talented and he is the only Kings' defenseman that can play it any way the Kings need it played given the situation. He is the Kings best shutdown defensemen and their best offensive defenseman. Kind of what you would expect from the #2 overall draft pick.
Right now the Kings need him to shut it down when Muzzin makes a mistake, because Muzzin is the only other defenseman the Kings have that can keep up with him on a regular basis.
I would like to see the Kings get another partner for Doughty and leave Muzzin less exposed, but not sure Dean has the chips to trade that other teams are interested enough in to get a deal done.
I too would like to see that, not sure if it would have to happen in the offseason though.
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If Florida, who is the least spending club in the NHL, was willing to retain a large portion of Campbell's salary, then I think he'd be an excellent partner to be paired with Doughty. He won a Cup with Chicago and has tons of playoff experience and can quickly get the puck out of his own end and get the puck into the tapes of the forwards' sticks.
Question is how much can they retain and if Campbell would waive his NTC to come here.
Question is how much can they retain and if Campbell would waive his NTC to come here.
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The Players need to figure out how to get back to career normal scoring in this system.
Cause Lombardi is moving them before he moves Sutter.
They already got one pass in Terry Murray, they will not get two.
Cause Lombardi is moving them before he moves Sutter.
They already got one pass in Terry Murray, they will not get two.
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Very fair, but I don't think it's that they're scoring, it's both how they are scoring as well as they're producing while some of their higher-profile (allegedly) teammates are not.
part of it is sample size for sure (forget our players--finland's goaltender has more points than Crosby), but they all look like completely different players.
I guess what I'm saying is that sure, there's player ownership and our system is probably fine when it's being used properly (i.e. possession is great but eventually you have to gtfo the boards and get to the net), but let's call it as we see it, these guys are skating with the reins off and look great.
They can retain 50% which they maybe willing to do as I believe his deal pays him less in actual dollars than his cap hit suggests. I just don't see them dealing him though or him waiving.
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I don't see it that way (Reins off), You guys act like Babcock runs some sort of free wheeling system.
I see a larger ice surface= room for skill, and not playing NHL caliber defenders. World class line-mates.
That's what I see.
Unless you guys are seriously trying to say Canada/USA has played NHL level scouting/Defenders in these non medal rounds.
As for the Crosby not doing well, He has historically sucked at the Games. Not a surprise since Crosby has all the pressure in the world to perform.
Okay, how come we can't score on AHL defense? How come rookies shut us out left and right.
Babcock coaches Detroit and he fits the player into a role he can play. There's both sides to every story, let's not be blind to the possibilities.
Doughty is scoring, Carter is scoring. And yes they do look energized. But hey have you noticed that Babcock even in Detroit and Olympics let's the forwards up the ice.
Our forwards play too deep, and have a lot of responsibility which limits them. And plus let's stop saying the teams have sucked, the kings have sucked major ass against terrible teams this year.
Our players are very stupid at times and so has Sutter. Everyone is responsible for this mess.
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It doesn't sound like people would think the Kings have the roster to really open things up more. I mean, probably at least half the roster is disliked around here. Stoll, Clifford, Lewis, Fraser should all be gone. Brown and Richards haven't had good seasons. Richards can't seem to handle a puck, while Brown has been pretty much a ghost, and isn't doing much at the Olympics either. That's 6 of 13 or 14 forwards. The defense has been an issue all year. Muzzin is polarizing in talent and play, Voynov has struggled, Regehr shouldn't be on the team, Mitchell and Greene are sometimes good/sometimes bad. That's 5 of 7 defensemen where you don't know what you're getting from game to game.
But Sutter is an idiot who doesn't know how to coach because he's not unleashing these hound dogs that nobody likes anyway.
But Sutter is an idiot who doesn't know how to coach because he's not unleashing these hound dogs that nobody likes anyway.
Raccoon Jesus
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Don't get me wrong, it's not like Babcock has said "do whatever you want," I just think it says a lot about the talent we DO have when they're performing (in some cases MUCH) better than the allstars they are surrounded by. But I think you're also downplaying Canada's opponents, especially since some of them are playing staunch team defense--but regardless, how often have we complained about NOT being able to dismantle bad defensive teams?
That big ice is more room for skill, sure, but it also makes lesser teams trap like madmen--yet somehow the Kings at the Olympics are able to break through that. I'm not saying Sutter sucks or that the system as HE imagines it is wrong; I AM saying we're not executing it properly and that there has to be some way to tweak it a bit to let loose players like Kopitar, Carter, and Doughty. Sure, the Kings aren't the Canadian Allstars, but they're a top team in their level of play, and it would be nice for it to show.
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I've always said, you don't fire the team, you fire the coach. I can't agree with the thinking that "players don't deserve another pass" nonsense. If it's the coach, and it looks like it may be, why wrongfully blame the players? Are we taking turns? Where's the logic in this line of thinking?
Precisely, it's evident. I think the Kings are round pegs trying to get fitted into square spaces. It's just not working. Let them play a way that works for them as well. Our players play like they have no talent, and it just doesn't make sense how so many players can be like that. You gotta look at the guy behind the bench. But the players dont escape blame.
Yes. I said it before the olympics that Carter and Doughty would tear it up. Babcock understands doughty so well. He lets doughty have free reign, it's obvious that babcock loves and trusts doughty.
Raccoon Jesus
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Not commenting on whether I agree with it or not, the logic is that the players just aren't performing/executing, and that's already got one coach canned--it's time to hold the players accountable before canning another coach. But you're also saying "IF" it's the coach, right? So if it really is the coach and it's totally apparent (which I'm not so sure it is), then yeah, it would be silly to place blame elsewhere.
Again, though, I don't really disagree with damacles. I think reality is closer to the middle. Our system had worked since Sutter's arrival--but he now needs to adjust. He needs to rework the system a little to fit the personnel because he needs to get the most out of his players the way Babcock seems to be able to do with Doughty, never mind the all-too-predictable elements of the system (i.e. I shouldn't be able to completely negate the Kings breakout by sitting on the winger at the faceoff dot).
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