Only if you add in Clarke and another 1st. We'll even give you back Pearson.
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Jerzey Devil
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I would think the Palat signing puts a nail in the coffin to Miller to a NJ trade.
Peter Griffin
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We’re not taking Kerfoot and retaining 50%. Liljegren + Knies is about 1 good pick/prospect short without retention.
For matching who you're quoting? That's a great match.
For matching what the Canucks need though? That is less beneficial for us, we're upto our gills on forwards.
What about VIlardi or Turcotte(higher third liner?), Durzi or Roy or Walker (lower third liner), Grans (prospect) and a first? I have no idea how each piece is valued, I'm just substituting pieces from your proposal to the closest piece fitting our needs and hoping one "or" groups has a much less valuable piece contained with in than the other,
Any way, I've taken a likely awful stab at trying to find a counter that address our needs, and likely pissed off a number of Kings fans in the process. That wasn't my intent. If we can chart this out, I think the Canucks will need a youngish 3C (to replace Miller, one of Turcotte or Vilardi will do and I use them because they were both included in your proposal), a current roster RHD (Walker keeps being mentioned by Kings fans, but I am more in tune with the Durzi or Roy style of course) and a future RHD. Atlanta was rebuilding though, and I have 0 idea where we are headed this year until more pieces fall into place, so I'm not wedded to the Hossa trade format myself.
I kind of hope so. Someone will use the word "reunion" though.
CupInSIX
My cap runneth over
Miller (extended)
for
Mayfield (extended)
top 3 protected 2023 1st
Wahlstrom
who says no?
for
Mayfield (extended)
top 3 protected 2023 1st
Wahlstrom
who says no?
The problem with Mayfield as a centerpiece is that a significant portion of his value is in the sweetheart contract he's currently on, once he's at a higher number it's not centerpiece value anymore.
I'd like Wahlstrom, but Mayfields contract is the big appeal to me. The player isn't bad, but if he gets market value, there are other, less expensive options out there.
I also feel we will have a better offer made. once Kadri is signed, and, really, Niederreiter is the only other "big forward" left after that.
Peter Griffin
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Vancouver. While Mayfield would be a nice addition, he's more of a 4/5 d-man and he'll be 30 to start the season. He's also coming off a contract where he was ridiculously underpaid and will no doubt be looking to make up for that with his next contract. No thanks. Wahlstrom is OK but literally fills no need. 1st is whatever.
Bankerguy
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I dont get the isles proposals.
They're asking for a top line C, sweet heart contract, 99 point guy last year, he hits, has grit, 55% at faceoffs, and while knowing that Van needs top 4 RHS Dmen, they offer MAYFIELD?! He's your third best right shot guy.
Absolutely horrible.
Try Dobson or Pulock. You have to give to get.
They're asking for a top line C, sweet heart contract, 99 point guy last year, he hits, has grit, 55% at faceoffs, and while knowing that Van needs top 4 RHS Dmen, they offer MAYFIELD?! He's your third best right shot guy.
Absolutely horrible.
Try Dobson or Pulock. You have to give to get.
I think Mayfield as the RHD add is fine, but that deal would need a 4th piece to be the true centerpiece. No protection on the 1st either. Does Raty still have top 6 upside?
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Last season that was a big fat no. Now Turoctte and Vilardi are included in the same deal for a potential rental.
Allvin said yesterday that it usually slows down after free agency , but things should pick up later on in the summer but not to expect any trades to fix the team until later on.
For Miller i still like,
Washington
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For Miller i still like,
Washington
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Pitt
NYI
1st would be the best asset in that,
Wahlstorm is a meh prospect, we also have guys like Boeser, Garland, Podkolzin, Hoglander on wing and drafted Lekkerimaki last week. Mcdonough let NCAA in goals last season or tops on the list, and hes in the Canucks system looking to crack lineup next year.
Wingers would probably be the least enticing position for Canucks.
Mayfield is decent but is 29 and a UFA next year, he would have to come extended too much like Miller is in your proposal.
Its not the worse trade but its also not the best.
Id counter with
1st- protected
Raty
Mayfield
for
extended Miller
Flying Dego
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I think the Pens and Nucks are fitting.
JR and Alvin have the familiarity with our players and JR absolutely LOVES getting his former guys.
Miller for Marino as the base. JR is a big fan of him.
Then the Pens can add 1st, Poulin, one of Blueger or Kap
Pretty fair deal all around if Miller's extended. He can help Geno on the 2nd line, especially with some C experience.
JR and Alvin have the familiarity with our players and JR absolutely LOVES getting his former guys.
Miller for Marino as the base. JR is a big fan of him.
Then the Pens can add 1st, Poulin, one of Blueger or Kap
Pretty fair deal all around if Miller's extended. He can help Geno on the 2nd line, especially with some C experience.
Sergei Shirokov
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Not sure if mentioned yesterday , its reported that the Canucks still have offers on the table similar to the one they rejected at the trade deadline.
1st chytil, lundqvist.
but apparently they are holding still and not budging and are not interested in that type of offer.
type of offer meaning unproven players..
I think they want a 1st, a proven young roster player and maybe a prospect or 2nd round pick.
1st chytil, lundqvist.
but apparently they are holding still and not budging and are not interested in that type of offer.
type of offer meaning unproven players..
I think they want a 1st, a proven young roster player and maybe a prospect or 2nd round pick.
Sergei Shirokov
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Blueger & Kapanen prob don't fit as the Canucks already have more than enough wingers, if they could send Dickinson or Pearson back it might but I'd imagine that doesn't work for PIT.
Regardless the base of Marino + 1st for Miller makes a ton of sense. Imagine we'd be highly interested.
I would much prefer to re-sign Miller(if he will at all) and do something around Garland(+?) for Marino and Kapanen. We downgrade out top 9 wing with Kapanen, but our top 9 now looks like:
Kuzmenko - EP - Mikheyev/Podk
Podk/Mikheyev - Miller - Boeser
Hoglander - Bo - Kapanen
X - Lazar - Dickinson
We also then have
Hughes - Marino
OEL - Myers
for our top 4. This is a MUCH better team than last year. Likely see round 2 with it, potentially round 3.
Flying Dego
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We can leave them out.
Marino, 1st, Poulin would probably be a good structure for the Canucks.
I don't believe the Pens will move Marino for Garland. I don't mind him so much but he's not exactly the impact we'd look for in the top 6.
Pure Slaughter Value
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Vancouver would have to add to Miller for Pulock unless the Isles come to agreement on an extension for Miller.
It's one year of Miller vs six of Pulock. No one with any sanity would pick Miller there, no would anyone think Vancouver is going to get a player like Dobson in return.
That being said, I do believe the Isles offer of unp 1st 23, Mayfield and Wahlstrom is "light"
Sergei Shirokov
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I do like the idea of keeping Miller more now that we've brought Mikheyev on board. Maintaining a deep top 9 led by the 3 centers could be a big competitive advantage. (Ala St.Louis)
But it's gotta be affordable, we can't handcuff ourselves long term w/ a contract to Petey still needed & D improvement/replacement of Myers.
The benefit of trading Miller is you'd likely get another great asset like a 1st. Then you'd just need a solid 3C.
Garland drives enough offense & more opportunity for Boeser/Pettersson/Garland on the PP might smooth over the loss of JT.
Get rid of Poolman and Pearson(may need to pay, but sometimes that needs to be done to fix previous GM's errors) and we have cap space going into next season. If we don't spend to the cap we will have the space to cover performance bonus's so no overage going into 2023/24 and 2.4m coming off the books. That gives us cap flexibility this season and next, Dickinson can probably be traded easily with 1 year remaining on his deal, and someone graduates to our 4th line from Abby.
That top 9 and top 4 can bring us to the playoffs with Demko in net. 4th line is heavy and defensively responsible. Dermont and Schenn make as good a 3rd pairing as any team usually needs.
With world juniors being early/mid august you could see some earlier movement. Allows teams to see more of prospects and chnage their opinions on them for the better or worse
kilowatt
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Vilardi still has loads of potential but almost zero value at this point. It's just a fact, poor asset management. He won't reach his potential in LA. I'm hopeful that he'll find success elsewhere.
