Rumor: ALL PURPOSE JT MILLER THREAD PT2 - It's Been 84 Years....

[Edgelord]

Not saying he gets traded now—but the Gaudreau signing sure is the wildcard that the Canucks needed to jostle the market in the right direction.

I wonder if you guys still are interested in Lilj?
I would go Lilj+Knies+Kerfoot for Miller at 50%

 

[Forge]

Bratt and Severson for Miller, Dipietro and Pearson?

That's a pretty easy hell no

 

[Ninjadude]

I wonder if you guys still are interested in Lilj?
I would go Lilj+Knies+Kerfoot for Miller at 50%

Lmao! Here come the lowball offers!

 

[D0ctorCool]

Lmao! Here come the lowball offers!

but look at all that quantity! We trade one thing and get 3!!!!!

 

[Edgelord]

Lmao! Here come the lowball offers!

I didn't think it was a lowball offer,
Knies is a really good prospect and Lilj is trending to become a sold top 4 RHD, for a 1 yr rental you guys make out pretty good IMO.

 

[Forge]

These things get overly complicated. If he gets moved, it'll probably be for a protected first + prospect or something. Maybe there's a hockey trade to be made for an RHD, but I don't know who that would be

 

[Edgelord]

but look at all that quantity! We trade one thing and get 3!!!!!

I have been gone for a while, what are you guys expecting? a younger 80 point player with term?
rentals don't usually work like that

 

[D0ctorCool]

I have been gone for a while, what are you guys expecting? a younger 80 point player with term?
rentals don't usually work like that

I don't like how Liljegren is tracking. Knies is good, but we don't need wingers. And we really don't need an impending UFA winger.

 

[AHLdepth]

What would the ask be from the Devils? Mercer would be a no thank you response

My initial thought is something along the lines of Severson + '23 1st + Gritsyuk. But I'm flexible, could you guys take cap back or what's your cap situation like?

 

[Edgelord]

I don't like how Liljegren is tracking. Knies is good, but we don't need wingers. And we really don't need an impending UFA winger.

issue is Kerfoot is really the only $ that works going the other way, Unless we do Sandin+Knies+Holl for Miller @50%
We can't have Holl and Lilj in the same pkg since it would deplete our RHD too much

 

[Soups On]

I didn't think it was a lowball offer,
Knies is a really good prospect and Lilj is trending to become a sold top 4 RHD, for a 1 yr rental you guys make out pretty good IMO.

It's not an ugly offer - Knies and Liljegren are solid young players that could fit into the Canucks future. I'd hazard the Canucks would want a 2023 1st if retaining on Miller.

Toronto may actually get past the first round with Miller at 2.6

 

[Bondra slapshot]

I didn't think it was a lowball offer,
Knies is a really good prospect and Lilj is trending to become a sold top 4 RHD, for a 1 yr rental you guys make out pretty good IMO.

It's a pretty standard offer for a rental. There's too much recency bias being placed on JT Miller and his production. Additionally, rentals don't garner jewel prospects or young burgeoning roster players. It's like Canucks fans ignore history and just want to make up their own fan fiction of what's going to happen.

Read the updates. The motifs state that Miller hasn't generated the interest the Canucks management thought he would.

It's not hard at this point to deduce that Miller simply isn't perceived by potential buyers as much as Canucks wish he would be.

Gaborik to Kings
Nash to Bruins
Stone to Golden Knights
Stepan to Coyotes

Miller isn't netting what was originally expected and it will just get harder once the season starts. Is he repeating a 99 point season?

If the Leafs actually offered that deal, Canucks would be foolish not to accept at this point. JT will walk because Canucks were too stubborn to accept reality?

 

[Edgelord]

It's not an ugly offer - Knies and Liljegren are solid young players that could fit into the Canucks future. I'd hazard the Canucks would want a 2023 1st if retaining on Miller.

Toronto may actually get past the first round with Miller at 2.6

I could see them adding the 1st but with our questionable goaltending I would insist its lottery protected.
so maybe Kerfoot+Lilj+Knies+1st for Miller+2nd, If we make the playoffs nothing changes, if we miss you get the 2nd back and we keep the 1st and add next yrs 2nd type thing

 

[Soups On]

It's a pretty standard offer for a rental. There's too much recency bias being placed on JT Miller and his production. Additionally, rentals don't garner jewel prospects or young burgeoning roster players. It's like Canucks fans ignore history and just want to make up their own fan fiction of what's going to happen.

Read the updates. The motifs state that Miller hasn't generated the interest the Canucks management thought he would.

It's not hard at this point to deduce that Miller simply isn't perceived by potential buyers as much as Canucks wish he would be.

Gaborik to Kings
Nash to Bruins
Stone to Golden Knights
Stepan to Coyotes

Miller isn't netting what was originally expected and it will just get harder once the season starts. Is he repeating a 99 point season?

If the Leafs actually offered that deal, Canucks would be foolish not to accept at this point. JT will walk because Canucks were too stubborn to accept reality?

It's potentially Miller, who has been above 1.0 PPG since being traded to the Canucks, at 50% retention for the entire season. I don't understand the recency bias angle when it's 3 years of data that supports how he has completely outperformed his contract and been a huge line driver. It matters that he was top 10 in scoring last year - Canucks shouldn't trade him for cheap.

Marian Hossa was traded to the Penguins in 2008 (with Dupuis) as a trade deadline rental for Christensen, Armstrong, Esposito, and a 1st round pick. At the time of the trade, Esposito was still touted as a top prospect, Christensen was a solid 3rd liner, and Armstrong was a good 3rd liner who scored something like 40 in 50 games 2 years prior.

Hossa had no retention and again, was traded at the deadline. Similarly he was a top 10 scorer a season prior and was 29 when traded. He had a BIG return. Imo it's a fair comparable with Miller except Miller can be had for the entire season at a fraction of the cap space.

So yeah - Canucks absolutely want to get really good young pieces and picks, they're giving up someone who was top 10 in scoring last year and who can put a team well over the top if salary is retained.

 

[BigTruzz]

At this point f*** the low ball offers and just resign Miller. We gonna dump Garland, Pearson and Dickinson so we will have space from the start of the 2023-24 season for his extension anyways.

 

[Bettman Returnz]

At this point f*** the low ball offers and just resign Miller. We gonna dump Garland, Pearson and Dickinson so we will have space from the start of the 2023-24 season for his extension anyways.

Well you kind of need miller to want to resign here too… if it were that easy I am sure management would be doing so today.

 

[Kryten]

I could see them adding the 1st but with our questionable goaltending I would insist its lottery protected.
so maybe Kerfoot+Lilj+Knies+1st for Miller+2nd, If we make the playoffs nothing changes, if we miss you get the 2nd back and we keep the 1st and add next yrs 2nd type thing

Do you want Lekkerimaki or a Pettersson thrown in depending on your playoff situation too?

 

[Alluckks]

Miller always felt like he was gonna end up on the Islanders after they get left hanging in free agency

Lou needs a splash

Then Miller can walk to free agency as one last nail in the coffin

 

[Connor McConnor]

So the Canucks window seems to have closed on receiving prospects + picks back as previous posts thought was a possibility.

Given the amount of moves the most common trade partners made today, cap will NEED to come back in a JT trade.

What are some more logical trade partners now? I know for a fact the return is much lower now than it would have been a few months ago. Seems like horrible asset management.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

So the Canucks window seems to have closed on receiving prospects + picks back as previous posts thought was a possibility.

Given the amount of moves the most common trade partners made today, cap will NEED to come back in a JT trade.

What are some more logical trade partners now? I know for a fact the return is much lower now than it would have been a few months ago. Seems like horrible asset management.

Lol.
You obviously haven’t been following. Management has said repeatedly that they are looking for young players, preferably a young D. A futures deal was never being looked at outside of a first round pick.
As for horrible asset management let’s wait until the deal plays out before jumping the gun.

 

[Connor McConnor]

Lol.

I'm doing my best UrbanImpact, you like?

Edit: should have started a whole new thread about it in hindsight.

 

[MessierII]

The Canucks are so weird these days

 

[Canucks LB]

I have a weird feeling he’s gonna get traded today

 

[kilowatt]

It's potentially Miller, who has been above 1.0 PPG since being traded to the Canucks, at 50% retention for the entire season. I don't understand the recency bias angle when it's 3 years of data that supports how he has completely outperformed his contract and been a huge line driver. It matters that he was top 10 in scoring last year - Canucks shouldn't trade him for cheap.

Marian Hossa was traded to the Penguins in 2008 (with Dupuis) as a trade deadline rental for Christensen, Armstrong, Esposito, and a 1st round pick. At the time of the trade, Esposito was still touted as a top prospect, Christensen was a solid 3rd liner, and Armstrong was a good 3rd liner who scored something like 40 in 50 games 2 years prior.

Hossa had no retention and again, was traded at the deadline. Similarly he was a top 10 scorer a season prior and was 29 when traded. He had a BIG return. Imo it's a fair comparable with Miller except Miller can be had for the entire season at a fraction of the cap space.

So yeah - Canucks absolutely want to get really good young pieces and picks, they're giving up someone who was top 10 in scoring last year and who can put a team well over the top if salary is retained.

How about Turcotte, Vilardi, Iafallo, and a 1st?

 

[Cogburn]

I wonder if you guys still are interested in Lilj?
I would go Lilj+Knies+Kerfoot for Miller at 50%

Liljegren and Knies are of interest, but Kerfoot isn't a need or want. Especially if we retain half of Miller's cap hit though, we simply can't afford him.